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Why does everything involving muslims have to be an "islamic" thing.

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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OH MY GOD, the Crusades were in DEFENCE of Christendom. The Muslims invaded the Holy lands and killed and converted everyone, so the Christians fought back.


I had a long reply typed out to your post... but I deleted it.



Photos or it doesn't exist!


CrisomKapital, you just made my day with this!!! S for the giggles!


Anytime!!!




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by jutes
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govenerment shills are everywhere just ignore
them

westerners butcher people every day, they love the sight of charred babies remains
thats TODAY! not thousands of years ago
what can i do as a westerner, annoy the crap out of the government ofc
mwahahahahaha, nwo scum.

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Hi there, I think I missed your introduction thread.

So sorry about that.

Hi there!

umm, you sound like a repeat -- surely not. Hi there!



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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I am no expert on the Islamic faith, but if a person is born to muslims and is "irreligious", why are they still called "muslims"?


My point is that even if a person born to muslim parents TURNS OUT TO BE irreligious...and he then makes the news for criminal activity.. all of Islam is dragged down with him.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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So, it is an "ethnicity" and not just a religious adjective. Okay. Weird.

Why not just identify as "Middle-easterner" or "Mediterranean"? Beautiful race of people, btw...
so, then it brings up why Caucasians are "allowed" to claim this ethnic distinction, when they are clearly not of the same ethnicity. Like if I decided to move to Tibet, become a Buddhist monk, would I then be called a Tibetan? I don't think so.

Is there a term for Muslim-born people who ARE irreligious?
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Why not just identify as "Middle-easterner" or "Mediterranean"?

The point of the OP is that each time there is violence in the middle east, even in a completely non-religious context.... people are quick to pin the whole thing on Islam...



Is there a term for Muslim-born people who ARE irreligious?


Good question. The answer : No.
Unless this person declares he is an atheist, or a convert to another religion, he will be seen as a muslim.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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So, it is an "ethnicity" and not just a religious adjective. Okay. Weird.


I didn't say that.

I meant that muslims (even the irreligious ones) are generally referred to be an ethnicity when they make the news.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n

I meant that muslims (even the irreligious ones) are generally referred to be an ethnicity when they make the news.


I think that's the answer right there mate. Media is always the perfect propaganda mouthpiece, it has an agenda. Personally I don't adhere to any religion, I'm rough around the edges, but have been taught basically a buddhist philosophy over the past 15 years or so. I spent a little time in India a number of years back, basically surrounded by Muslims (mainly from Kashmir) and didn't have any problems whatsoever. Nobody tried to convert or kill me, in fact, just the opposite. I found them to be very hospitable and friendly people and spent many days just hangin' out and chatting.

In saying that, there has been some pretty serious incidents over here involving a few groups of mainly Lebanese Muslims in recent times, and It's easy to start feeling anger (amongst other things!) towards these people for the crimes they've committed, but your correct in what you say........can't paint everyone with a broad brush. Again, thank the media and small minds for this problem.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by poloblack
Being black isn't a religion, and screw those made up stats by the feds.



Originally posted by poloblack
I'm not generalizing anything, as I'm not religous, but I'm stating that being black has nothing to do with the message you're trying to convey


you're just mad....
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Get rid of religion and peace is a guarantee. Without religions protection, the culture would be looked at objectively where it would be exceeding difficult to justify popular actions, such as oppressing women or religious factions in government ex. Bible-thumping Republicans.

This applies to every country, not just the middle east.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by mattime
Get rid of religion and peace is a guarantee. Without religions protection, the culture would be looked at objectively where it would be exceeding difficult to justify popular actions, such as oppressing women or religious factions in government ex. Bible-thumping Republicans.

This applies to every country, not just the middle east.



I would give the above post hundreds of stars, if I could.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Muslims have to live their life 24/7 by the Quran,thats why.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by mattime
Get rid of religion and peace is a guarantee. Without religions protection, the culture would be looked at objectively where it would be exceeding difficult to justify popular actions, such as oppressing women or religious factions in government ex. Bible-thumping Republicans.

This applies to every country, not just the middle east.



"...secular ideologies were responsible for the murder of 100 million innocent people during the last century." Source


Atheists kill people in such vastly greater numbers than any religion EVER

"And the much greater persecution of priests and believers
in 20th Century Atheist tyrannies clearly demonstrates
the murderous anti-theism of Atheists."

"Then you explain why they kill people in such vastly greater numbers
than any religion EVER HAS in all of history!?"

• Russian Civil War (1917-22): 7 to 10 million
• Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53): 20 million
• People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 44 to 72 million

Source


Nobody has died because of religion. When people "kill in the name of religion," they're actually going against what religion teaches.

A man could claim to be killing in the name of Mickey Mouse -- but that is a bad reflection on the man, not on Mickey Mouse.

Atheist Communist regimes, meanwhile, have killed over 100 million of their own people (and that's a conservative number) in just the last 100 years.

They didn't do it in the name of atheism, precisely, but their killing is not going against what atheism teaches. Because atheism, in essence, teaches nothing. Whenever atheism has been installed as the Official State Religion, the state in question has always given itself permission to do unspeakable things. Always.

When God is not, as Dostoyevsky wrote, anything is permitted.

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Well I am more of the thinking that any religion gets shoot down here and equated with all the bad actions of any of its members.

Not just Muslims, Christians, Jews, seems mostly the Abrahamic religions seems to cause this reaction for some reason.

Go look at any thread dealing with Isreal, and you see the same thing, People blaming all for the action of a few in charge of Israel.

Could just be a confirmation bias in play on your part that you only see it with Muslims as we tend to focus on what effects us.

But look at a christian thread, I remember recently the actions of the Westboro a-holes being used to condemn all Christians.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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It looks as though the OP is long on personal thought and short on facts.

wasteofmyoxygen.wordpress.com...


Staggering Statistics on Muslims Killing Muslims


In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

Comments: (1) Despite the relative non-lethality of the Arab-Israeli conflict, its renown, notoriety, complexity, and diplomatic centrality will probably give it continued out-sized importance in the global imagination. And Israel’s reputation will continue to pay the price. (2) Still, it helps to point out the 1-in-1,700 statistic as a corrective, in the hope that one day, this reality will register, permitting the Arab-Israeli conflict to subside to its rightful, lesser place in world politics.

Professor Heinsohn is director of the Raphael-Lemkin-Institut für Xenophobie- und Genozidforschung at the University of Bremen. Mr. Pipes (www.DanielPipes.org) is director of the Middle East Forum




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25


I have a better version of that, uncorrupted straight from Yeshua, and you can see where Muhammad stole it from and where he changed it.

Matthew 22:34-40

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”


See where muhammad stole that from and changed it to suit his conquest? Ah, but muslim believe in Yeshua, yet they follow muhammad. Go figure
. So much for Muhammad being one of the Prophets.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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I have a better version of that, uncorrupted straight from Yeshua, and you can see where Muhammad stole it from and where he changed it.

See where muhammad stole that from and changed it to suit his conquest? Ah, but muslim believe in Yeshua, yet they follow muhammad. Go figure
. So much for Muhammad being one of the Prophets.


This is one of the MANY clues that prove that Islam was a Jesuit creation...

We can also thank the Order of Jesuits (AKA the Vatican's CIA) for communism, the KKK, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism, the Mafia, and the New Age movement.

These are just a FEW of their wonderful contributions to mankind.





edit on 30-6-2012 by Murgatroid because: I felt like it..



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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"you can see where Muhammad stole it from and where he changed it. "

i will appoligize? for u?..
as a Christian i appoligize for my friend.
he did not steal anything,,
it was as it was given too him,, as he understood it too be,,
not yet full,,
but the root at least is Fertile.

again my appoligisies,, for my Friend,, Lone wolf.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by ollncasino
 

I have a better version of that, uncorrupted straight from Yeshua, and you can see where Muhammad stole it from and where he changed it.

See where muhammad stole that from and changed it to suit his conquest? Ah, but muslim believe in Yeshua, yet they follow muhammad. Go figure
. So much for Muhammad being one of the Prophets.


This is one of the MANY clues that prove that Islam was a Jesuit creation...


You'll have to tell me that story, i've heard stuff like that but didn't do much digging.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Islam was a Jesuit creation, tell that too the ,,never mind,, facepalm.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Holy crap dude, thats alot of muslim on muslim violence. I just looked at those numbers you posted in that link. Who needs enemies when you have neighbors like that?



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