Originally posted by aaron2209
Originally posted by Laokin
Those prices are by now standards. After the tax is instated and the price of the $5 can has to raise, lets say it goes to $6... What do you think
the company with the $4 can is going to do?
It's not going to stay $4, it's going to go to $5.
Don't forget we are being compensated for these rises and quite possibly a competitor will want to undercut that.
Prices can very easily be driven up, and if I'm undercutting my competitor, I'm going to undercut by just enough to get you to purchase my
product and MAXIMIZE my profit at the same time.
Is your competitor just going to be happy with being undercut and losing market share?
People will pay the extra dollar because the product is the one they like.
So it is within their power to reduce their costs? They just choose not to.
Something is lost in translation somewhere....
First of all, not every one is a cheapskate. Everyone has different levels of income. Somebody who makes less will be more driven to the cheaper
product. Someone who makes less will be more driven to conserve.
The people who make megalithic money, will still buy the expensive stuff they Like. They won't care about the carbon tax, because their way of living
will not change.
The low income earner's way of living will change. The cuts are based on ESTIMATES of market value inflation. They are CONSERVATIVE figures. It is
not FACTUAL that you will get more in assistance than you spend on the new tax. Nowhere in any report does it say anything different.
They are ESTIMATES. Government estimates are always low balled, because they sit better with the public.
When that tax cut and assistance is no longer given, the prices of things will not go down. They will already be higher than estimates. The green
companies will raise price because they CAN and still be the more affordable option.
Your monies value is decreased. The assistance is removed. The products are more expensive. Your income is the same or lower. The green stuff that
used to be cheap is now the price of the non green stuff before the tax, except your dollar is worth less....
This is economic suicide... the rich will be unaffected, the middle class will become low class, the low class will become street dwellers.
This is class warfare at it's finest, you just don't have ANY understanding of the PURPOSE of taxes.
You don't have ANY understanding of economy.
You don't have ANY understanding of market value and how prices are driven.
All you have is, "They said their estimate for the average household is around $270 a year, and they are giving me $300 so I'm gaining."
The ONLY fact in that entire statement is they are going to give SOME people who QUALIFY $300 at the END of the first fiscal year it's in effect.
Everything I said so far has BEEN fact.
This will drive prices of BOTH green and non green products.
The cuts WERE instated to quell a dissenting public.
Historically Tax cuts are removed, so it's nearly a guarantee that these cuts will evaporate, or the restrictions for qualification will raise.
Taxes are also FACTUALLY MADE TO INCREASE THE REVENUE OF THOSE TAKING THE TAX. IF NOT, THERE IS NO POINT IN THE TAX AT ALL.
You are intelligent, not in what you know, but your capacity to learn. So stop thinking you know it all and crack open a history book. Google tax
codes, question why they did it in secret (the answer is because the public wouldn't allow it) ask yourself why the greater public is against it,
I'm done with this, you're obviously a naive kid or a shill trying to convert people into supporting carbon taxes being a "Sheeple" as you so called
You call other people sheep, the only sheep here is you -- why? Because you take a government supplied ESTIMATE ON MARKET VALUE as fact.
From AUSTRALIA'S government! I mean seriously, you guys are getting played by BOTH the U.S. AND China.
Products are already vastly inflated compared to other countries. Not only this, but you have ridiculous fees for all services. Bandwidth Caps and
Overage Fee's? Everything raises with a carbon tax. Electricity that raises. Gas that raises. All consumer good raise, even clothing. Food
raises, traffic tickets raise, Carbon tax is the tax on BREATHING.
It's more than just what you buy at the super market, it's literally going to affect everything you can spend money on... if electric bills alone are
estimated to raise $80-$90 that's almost a whole third of the tax cut IF YOU QUALIFY.
How in the hell is $300 going to stretch that far?
It's impossible, especially when that $300 is less valuable than $300 before the Carbon Tax.
You keep saying "We'll see tomorrow when the sky falls."
No. You won't. The sky won't fall for at LEAST a minimum of a year. You have to cover all of these rising expenses on your own until you file for
taxes at the end of the year.
See me when you don't get your $300, or when you do get your $300 but realize that after getting this money back your finances are still behind $500.
See me the following year or two when the cut is no longer applicable.
edit on 30-6-2012 by Laokin because: (no reason given)