Kid Attacked in School By Teacher Making $95,202 a year

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Naturally, the teacher should have been the bigger man, pardon the pun, and let it slide rather than commit to what he ended up doing. His career is most likely over now and he'll never get another teaching job.

His career is over? Surely you jest. You don't know much about the state of schools in the U.S., do you? Nothing will happen to this teacher. He's a teacher! He has the union behind him, and his life will go on exactly as if nothing happened.

Originally posted by axistiger
Lots of prejudging the situation without knowing the circumstances. Maybe the kid threatened to hurt / kill someone, which would warrant a more aggressive response. Most of the respondents on this site have no clue how brutal and aggressive these young thugs are. As always we're presented with the cute kid photo to set the scene. How about watching this video of one of these cute kids in action verbally assaulting a Watertown NY school bus driver and racially attacking the white students on the bus. How would you handle this little monster? www.youtube.com...

Notice how only those of us who actually work with them can see where it was most likely a violent situation with threats involved?
If only some of these people knew how these "innocent looking kids" acted when they weren't in their presence. Kids today don't act like they did 20 years ago. They don't act the same when their parents aren't with them.

Most kids do know how to behave and actually do behave well in school. It's that small minority of kids who screw things up for everyone. It would be very difficult to convince me that the kid in the video wasn't threatening to use a gun or blow something up. Schools don't treat innocent kids that way, but they DO treat terroristic threatening criminals that way and, in my opinion, the kid was using terroristic threatening, most likely saying he was going to shoot people and insinuating he had a gun either in his backpack or in a car and was going to go get it.

reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1


First of all, you can't exactly know what transpired in this video without any sound. If you watch the video closely, the teacher grabs the kid by the arm to stop him from moving on, but the kid yanks his arm back and wants to proceed on his way.

The teacher was quite aggressive, but two wrongs don't make a right. The boy continued to fight with several security police after that! If the kid would have just stopped after the teacher grabbed his arm, this entire incident probably wouldn't have taken place.

A lot of thugs like to disrespect and ignore a teachers directives, and some even cross the line further and fight school security. Giving kids rights to do as they please is a simple reason why public schools are out of control.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
The teacher was also black, that's not going to work this time.

The "teacher" is not the one that used the word thug.
That was white folk.

white folk aren't the only ones that use the word, believe me!!!
I hear it from practically every race that exists.

That's awesome.
Good for you.

Originally posted by AntiNWO

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Naturally, the teacher should have been the bigger man, pardon the pun, and let it slide rather than commit to what he ended up doing. His career is most likely over now and he'll never get another teaching job.

His career is over? Surely you jest. You don't know much about the state of schools in the U.S., do you? Nothing will happen to this teacher. He's a teacher! He has the union behind him, and his life will go on exactly as if nothing happened.

According to ther stories (not sure if this one included it or not), he was a teacher of over 20 years. Funny how he's been doing it for 20 years but now, all of a sudden, he's a threat to the safety of innocent children??? Come on....seriously???
The kid was at fault here and was most likely making threats involving guns, otherwise, he wouldn't have been stopped the way he was.
Over 95% of the teachers do the right thing. There are about 5% that are screwed up in the head and in their 2nd or 3rd year and do something crazy and are immediately called on it and that group definitely should be dealt with. This guy is a 20 year vetran, the head of security (not just a general teacher, the head of security) and was doing his job.
Sorry, but the likelyhood of him just "picking on an innocent kid" isn't very high, however it's very likely that the kid was making violent threats of shooting somebody and was stopped, just as he should have been.

Originally posted by azbowhunter
Looked like the kid could have handled this differently. Would have resulted in a much calmer result in my opinion.

Just a little punk acting like a little punk.

I agree...we couldn't hear the audio but they clearly tried to get him to sit in a chair and he refused to do it. My guess is he was cussing like a sailor. He tried to get past them and they stopped him.

Utterly appalled that any of you can justify physical violence on a minor. Only in America right. This just shows how under trained your educational professionals are, not being able to control a situation with intelligence and "WORDS", you know, those things we are taught to use in Schools.

What makes this worse, are all your comments and the amount of stars from people who agree. How is society able to move forward if you all condole violence? So many of you bitch and whine against Government wrong doing and violence, yet you feel you can choose when its okay. Isn't that eerily similar to your government.

Originally posted by mikellmikell
I guess I don't see the issue the kid deserved what he got . Don't mouth off because you think your kool

Clearly the teacher engaged in physical means, elevating the situation and giving this child the right to protect himself from any aggressor there after. What he deserved were better teachers.

Originally posted by azbowhunter
Looked like the kid could have handled this differently. Would have resulted in a much calmer result in my opinion.

Just a little punk acting like a little punk.

The KID is not an adult and handled the situation his adolescent mind allowed him to. Children are violent in nature and adults should be aware of this, especially when surrounded by them in an educational sense, the teachers goals should be to educate towards non-violence, not showing its okay.

This little punk is acting like a kid.

Originally posted by QUANTUMGR4V17Y
Really? Can we be honest with ourselves for a moment? No one knows what this kid was saying while walking away. If his I.D. wasn't working properly and the teacher didn't know the kid, then the kid entering the school without permission / mouthing off would be considered "dangerous."

While the scene turned excessive, it seemed as if the boy was the one doing most of the fighting, the teacher looked more as if he was trying to subdue him, with just reason. That kid was out of control.

Sticks and stones Quant, evolve your ego and let words fall off of you like feathers. Clearly the kid goes to the school and it may have been confusing for the adults at the time, but violence of a physical nature defunct their intelligence.

Again the teacher started the physical confrontation, and lets assume like most of you have (w/o audio) the kid mouthed off and the teacher didn't have the brains to handle it intelligently, resulting in his lesser primal attempt at resolving the situation.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by lacrimosa

 

I applaud this teacher.

I really don't understand today's society's attitude that a kid can say anything they want to and not be held accountable for their actions. If you're being antagonistic a person should have every right to to defend themselves, regardless of the nature of the antagonism.

Just because they're a kid doesn't mean they can do whatever they want to without any kind of responsibilities for their actions.

I do not understand this attitude that a kid should be allowed to mouth off at any adult they so wish without having any consequences to their actions.

It's crap.

Freedom of speech is one thing, but trying to hurt another person is not free speech.

You are a clear winner and I applaud you for your wonderful comment. Now what I understand is your lack of ability to not comprehend that a situation in a school can be dealt with through conversing with words and not physical violence. Have you been in a situation where your mind could not handle being called names, by children? Did you want to hurt them?

STICKS AND STONES. Your abused by a person via words and you react with physical violence, your the lesser being. Your abused by someone physically and you react physically, justified.

You are the part of society that I don't understand. Because they are a "KID" we as adults are supposed to nurture and guide them away from physical violence, teach them to use their minds to create better outcomes, and strive for a better future. The teacher starts the physical confrontation, not the kid. You are using the non-existent audio and assuming the kid mouthed off (sticks and stones) and giving the teacher permission to not use his brain and converse with the student intelligently, but to use a physical means to confront.

Freedom of speech is one thing, using physical violence in return because words hurt you is another.

If only some of these people knew how these "innocent looking kids" acted when they weren't in their presence. Kids today don't act like they did 20 years ago. They don't act the same when their parents aren't with them.

reply to post by PurpleChiten



You said it purple. Most people need to spend a day in a school to realize how some of these "innocent looking kids" act. I would really like to hear what this kid said as he passed this teacher to set him off.

Some posters said just grabbing him by the arm should have sufficed, but little do they know, teachers are not even allowed to do that! Even than, some kids today will fight it just like this kid did. The favorite statement of kids today is, "don't put your hands on me!" So if a kid doesn't go to the office when you ask him to, you can't grab him by the arm and escort him to the office anymore. Instead, you have to call an administrator down to try to escort him out of class. If they still refuse, a police officer is called who may have to handcuff the student and than end up charging him for disorderly conduct or something else. All because the kid wants to make a stance or show-off in front of his peers.

A lot of people were upset when they watched the video of the kids verbally abusing a bus monitor. Heck, I see some of that disrespect directed at teachers on a weekly basis!

The generation of kids today are very disrespectful, have a lot of anger, and are very quick to use physical violence if they don't get their way. Manners is not in their vocabulary.

They need to reinstitute the "board of education" and get kids back in line with the way they're supposed to act. It's not pretty, it's not "sweet", but sometimes, it needs to be done.
I'd much rather that my child get paddled than for my child to end up being a common street thug with no respect for other people. I was spanked as a child, my parents were spanked as children, my children, nieces, nephews are all spanked when they need it. Discipline is not abuse and something needs to be done to get that through people's heads. Sometimes abuse would be NOT giving discipline when needed.

reply to post by PurpleChiten

If you research other links, you'll find it wasn't a teacher at all, he was the "security dean", in other words, the head of security, which means there was a security risk involved....

That explains the "teacher" man handling the student. Security personal have the authority to lay their hands on students if the student refuses to follow directives. Their main priority is keeping the school secure from possible gang walk-ins and removing kids or adults who don't belong on the premises.

I initially thought the "teacher" looked like a plain clothes officer because he pulled out a communication device while the other security guards tried to subdue the kid. Unless you're an administrator or a police officer, teachers don't have the luxury of a communication device to contact police security. The next best thing is having a cell phone and dialing the administrator.

Originally posted by Strainz


Sticks and stones Quant, evolve your ego and let words fall off of you like feathers. Clearly the kid goes to the school and it may have been confusing for the adults at the time, but violence of a physical nature defunct their intelligence.

Again the teacher started the physical confrontation, and lets assume like most of you have (w/o audio) the kid mouthed off and the teacher didn't have the brains to handle it intelligently, resulting in his lesser primal attempt at resolving the situation.


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STICKS AND STONES. Your abused by a person via words and you react with physical violence, your the lesser being. Your abused by someone physically and you react physically, justified.

You are the part of society that I don't understand. Because they are a "KID" we as adults are supposed to nurture and guide them away from physical violence, teach them to use their minds to create better outcomes, and strive for a better future. The teacher starts the physical confrontation, not the kid. You are using the non-existent audio and assuming the kid mouthed off (sticks and stones) and giving the teacher permission to not use his brain and converse with the student intelligently, but to use a physical means to confront.

Freedom of speech is one thing, using physical violence in return because words hurt you is another.

And if those "words" were "i'm gonna go git mah glock an come in here an pop a cap in all you mo-fo's"? Would that be better to just handle with a "oh now, honey, don't do that, that would be bad"???

Hopefully, you and your children don't do things like that, but there are MANY who do, especially in the inner city schools. They are violent, they threaten, they bring weapons to school and they use them.
The safety of the other students, the safety of the staff, the safety of many people is involved and if that means being aggressive to get a threatening "thug" to comply with the rules and to subdue him until they can determine if his threats are substantial, then so be it.

The guy in the video was NOT a "teacher", he was the DEAN of SECURITY as reported by other sites on the matter and it was HIS JOB to make sure that kid was not a threat to the entire school.

Let's look at it this way....Do you have children? Would you want your daughter to date the kid in the video? Would you just gladly say "sure honey, go ahead, I know he's a great kid, he got roughed up by that big mean guy in the video. Be back by midnight and have fun!!" ? Is that how you would handle it?

reply to post by smyleegrl


It's doubtful, that teacher had no problem holding him back, even when the kid was going for his knee.

It doesn't seem black and white to me though. The teacher held onto this kid, and the kid was really the first to get violent (A hold isn't violent)

I can't really find the teacher at fault until I know why he was holding onto the kid, and if it was important enough to hold onto him for.

I dont believe he was violent, just acting out of instinct. It would have been violent if he pummeled the kid. In this case it seems more like he was just attempting to pacify the kid, and perhaps went a little overboard. And I do mean a little. I'd be surprised if this kid had any real injuries besides a sore shoulder.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

It's doubtful, that teacher had no problem holding him back, even when the kid was going for his knee.

It doesn't seem black and white to me though. The teacher held onto this kid, and the kid was really the first to get violent (A hold isn't violent)

I can't really find the teacher at fault until I know why he was holding onto the kid, and if it was important enough to hold onto him for.

I dont believe he was violent, just acting out of instinct. It would have been violent if he pummeled the kid. In this case it seems more like he was just attempting to pacify the kid, and perhaps went a little overboard. And I do mean a little. I'd be surprised if this kid had any real injuries besides a sore shoulder.

I agree...and again point out it wasn't a teacher, but a Dean of Security...
If he was wanting to be violent with the kid, he could have knocked him out with one punch. He was subduing the kid and the kid apparently needed it.
Would LOVE to hear the audio on the vid too, would probably shed a LOT of light on the situation...which is probably why it wasn't included.

reply to post by Strainz


What a load of drivel, that (kid) would have pounded in your face while you talked to him. All that guy did was restrain the kid after the kid threw an elbow at his face.

I miss the good old days when men were men.
Now grown men cannot subdue 14 year olds without slamming them all over the room and actually assaulting them. Grown men cannot talk to a black teenager in the dark without pulling a gun, and apparently cannot fight off a skinny kid.

What happened to all you men? You are afraid of everything and sit around applauding all use of forceful authority.

Like a lot of people have said, there is more to this story, which would likely go in favour of the teachers reaction. From what I could see in the video, the kid appeared very aggressive and got what he deserved. The kids lessons that day were 1) listen to direction and 2) do not be disobedient and aggressive towards school staff. Good teaching.

See what I am saying, condoled and accepted widely throughout the United States, where the adults are clearly the reason the kids act the way they do. Its not drivel if you comprehend what I am saying.

reply to post by PurpleChiten


Go back and read my post, understand it, comprehend it. Clearly every situation can be dealt with without violence. Again if your educational professionals don't have the ability to react professionally within the realm of education, get better teachers. The child was not physically violent. If you continually justify violence, it becomes the norm, becomes widely accepted...

We are supposed to educate the minds of the young and give them the intelligence so they can see that violence is not the answer.

If the children in your schools are becoming violent, check your media, check their environments, and check why their education isn't giving them the ability to see why violence is not the answer. If your schools are not educating children appropriately, perhaps the professionalism of these schools needs to be lifted.

Originally posted by Strainz
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

Go back and read my post, understand it, comprehend it. Clearly every situation can be dealt with without violence. Again if your educational professionals don't have the ability to react professionally within the realm of education, get better teachers. The child was not physically violent. If you continuely justify violence, it becomes the norm, becomes widely accepted...

The kid in the video was clearly physically violent, don't know what video or situation you may be talking about....

No, every situation can not be dealt with without violence. In fact, what many deem as "violence" should be used more often. Discipline and spanking isn't violence, it isn't abuse and it is very much needed in today's world.

If my child is mouthing off to the teacher and being disrespectful, I want their backside paddled. If they aren't following the instructions given to them, I want their backside paddled. If they're showing "attitude" and acting like they don't have to do what they're told, I want their backside paddled. There's no excuse for it, no reason for it and it needs to stop.



The DEAN of SECURITY in the video was not beating the kid up, he was restraining him, if he wanted to beat him up, one punch would have done it. He did exactly what his job was as DEAN of SECURITY... not "teacher" as the biased story portrayed him as.

Originally posted by Strainz

If the children in your schools are becoming violent, check your media, check their environments, and check why their education isn't giving them the ability to see why violence is not the answer. If your schools are not educating children appropriately, perhaps the professionalism of these schools needs to be lifted.

edit on 30-6-2012 by Strainz because: Forgot to mention

99% of the time, the problem isn't the schools, it's the lack of parenting.
70-80% of the parents who actually do their job end up having their children exposed to those kids whose parents aren't doing their jobs and I don't want my kids to have to deal with those kids just because their parents don't know what they're doing.