Kid Attacked in School By Teacher Making $95,202 a year

reply to post by PurpleChiten

He was asked something by the Dean of Security, as seen in the video, must have responded with more verbal threats because the Dean of Security took his arm, as seen in the video, then he started flailing all over the place and the Dean of Security had to try to contain and subdue him, as seen in the video.

OMG !!.. He started flailing all over the place? Try he was flung around .
I've watched it over 5 times now, and it doesn't change.

As far as audio not being available, perhaps that could be much more incriminating to security if it was actually available, and might have something to do why it can't be accessed.

I would love to hear it though.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by WhisperingWinds

 

I do not bash police brutality. Sometimes there is a need for it. I only criticize it when it is wrong to do so.

In this case it was needed because the kid went out of control.

And I have never insulted you.


And bringing in police brutality is irrelevant.

This has nothing to do with the police.

edit on 2-7-2012 by EvilSadamClone because: (no reason given)

I can give you examples of where you have bashed police, and admonished me for wanting more policing, but that is from another thread, where the insults were clear as well...and we can leave it there.

It is relevant to this thread, because the kid was not out of control, until he was slammed around...and you fail to see that.

DONE trying to talk sense to you.

reply to post by WhisperingWinds


The kid was out of control.

There is no such thing as overkill, it's ALWAYS just enough kill.


And I'm not against authority, just abuse of it.

I just don't see abuse of authority in this instance.

When I see abuse of authority in a specific instance, i will be critical of it.

Watch the video again.
This is what I'm seeing:

Opening of video: Student has issue with swiping in. Goes to man with yellow shirt and tie. At 0:08 seconds, visibly shrugs shoulders. I take that actions as saying “whatever, I’m outa here”.
Student walks away.

At 0:15 seconds, returns with his hand in the air as though he is agitated and becoming verbally aggressive.
At 0:17 seconds, is verbally assaulting the man he previously spoke to.
At 0:20 seconds, the man accused of assaulting him escorts him back out.
At 0:21 seconds, student has moved VERY quickly and has uttered something, probably another verbal assault, possibly involving a weapon. Dean of Security takes him by the arm and moves closer to him.
AT 0:23 seconds, student pulls away aggressively, Dean of Security does not let go of arm. Student rushes back at him, he isn’t pulled or pushed.

Up through 0:28, student is flailing, not being pushed or pulled, not being hit, he is struggling and the Dean of Student continues to hold his arm. No hitting, not pushing, no pulling, merely holding his arm as he flails around.
Up through 0:35, Dean of Student is still holding the student who is trying to pull away and continuing to flail. Dean of Student directs him toward chair, student throws himself into the table, pushing it out of the way.
Up through 0:40, student loses balance due to flailing around and falls, adult still holds on to him but is not pushing or pulling.

Up through 0:45, adult is trying to pick student up off floor, student is resisting.
0:46 student tries to tackle adult.
Up through 0:50, adult continues to hold student, but not hitting, pushing or pulling, merely holding him as he continues to flail around and try to tackle.

0:50-1:01 other adults AND STUDENTS step in to help hold student that is being beligerant.
1:01-1:03 uniformed guard takes over and guides student to chair.
1:03 student erupts again, refusing to sit in the chair.
Up through 1:09, guard pushes student against wall so he has nowhere to go. Other adults and students watch. Student has still not been hit in any way.

Up through 1:11, the adult that SUPPOSEDLY assaulted the student is trying to help calm him as are the other adults.
1:12-1:23, additional guards are needed as student continues to be violent.
Up through 1:30, student continues to resist and fight against the uniformed guards, still being violent.
1:30, radio call is made to let office know what is going on.
Up through 1:40, the SUPPOSED assailant from the news story is calmly directing other students away from the dangerous area, the other students he is directing away do not look scared of him, but are calmly walking in the direction he asks them to go.

reply to post by PurpleChiten



What can I say except that what you see is NOT what I see..and it scares me to think of students trying to give a version of their reality in a situation compared to your 'reality".

daayum.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

What can I say except that what you see is NOT what I see..and it scares me to think of students trying to give a version of their reality in a situation compared to your 'reality".

daayum.

How many times have you watched the video?? I've watched it at least a couple dozen times to be sure of what I'm seeing. The very first time I watched it, it was with the mindset of the story, so I watched it again.... and again....then very carefully again. After watching it several times, I saw that not everything was as I initially believed and I could see much more clearly what was going on.

I suggest you watch it more than once and watch it more closely, you may surprise yourself.

reply to post by PurpleChiten


I just did ..twice... and yes the kid seems frustrated, and pretty much acting like a normal 12 year old who yanks his arm away when it is grabbed. I didn't see one swing, only after he was down on the floor, looking he may be getting choked does he go after the guy. He may have tried to stand up after being tossed into a chair, but I hardly think that constitutes fighting back, or flailing about.

I'm sick to my stomach that some can't clearly see that.

*sighs*..

I need to leave this thread for a time, because it isn't getting any more rational...and its making me too frustrated.

Do want to thank those that spoke out against it the 300 lb mans actions, and saw it as overkill, and extreme, because thats how it clearly appears to me.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

I just did ..twice... and yes the kid seems frustrated, and pretty much acting like a normal 12 year old who yanks his arm away when it is grabbed. I didn't see one swing, only after he was down on the floor, looking he may be getting choked does he go after the guy. He may have tried to stand up after being tossed into a chair, but I hardly think that constitutes fighting back, or flailing about.

I'm sick to my stomach that some can't clearly see that.

*sighs*..

I need to leave this thread for a time, because it isn't getting any more rational...and its making me too frustrated.

Do want to thank those that spoke out against it the 300 lb mans actions, and saw it as overkill, and extreme, because thats how it clearly appears to me.

I'd like to ask you to read my summation with the times on it, then watch it at least three more times with an open mind and see if your view doesn't change. I really do think it will. The more you watch it, the more it becomes clear what is actually going on.
Don't think of the misleading photo you were shown in the "news article", think of a a possible violent person trying to gain entry instead of an "innocent angel" and see if your view doesn't change considerably.

reply to post by PurpleChiten


He's incapable, the only thing he can see is a kid is being abused.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

He's incapable, the only thing he can see is a kid is being abused.

well your powers of observation are more off than I thought.

First off...I'm a she.

Secondly, I see a kid who most likely needed a firm conversation on what the expectations are of students , and perhaps some disciplinary action.

I'm sure there are videos out there of security and teachers who handled a similar situation with a little more class and good leadership skills.

Sorry you have such a jaded view point of how I see it..so I guess we agree to disagree.

And by all means, please give your own summation by the seconds in the video... a "play by play" so to speak. It makes you watch the video much more objectively instead of just jumping to conclusions.

Take your time, I'll wait for your summation.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
And by all means, please give your own summation by the seconds in the video... a "play by play" so to speak. It makes you watch the video much more objectively instead of just jumping to conclusions.

Take your time, I'll wait for your summation.

I actually started doing that yesterday, and got side tracked by something, and right now I'm a little to frustrated with this whole thread to continue.

I'll seriously consider doing it later, when I've cooled off a bit on this topic, and appreciate that you would be willing to hear my version of what could have happened.

It is difficult without audio, and that would help, also it would help to find out more about the student..such as if he is a special needs, etc.

reply to post by WhisperingWinds


I thought you were done with me?

And you being a she explains a lot.

On the internet whenever I'm dealing with any poster I assume it's a he until I learn otherwise. Because the majority of posters are going to be male, unless you're in an all lesbian chat room?

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
And by all means, please give your own summation by the seconds in the video... a "play by play" so to speak. It makes you watch the video much more objectively instead of just jumping to conclusions.

Take your time, I'll wait for your summation.

I actually started doing that yesterday, and got side tracked by something, and right now I'm a little to frustrated with this whole thread to continue.

I'll seriously consider doing it later, when I've cooled off a bit on this topic, and appreciate that you would be willing to hear my version of what could have happened.

It is difficult without audio, and that would help, also it would help to find out more about the student..such as if he is a special needs, etc.

When you get a chance and cool off, watch it and make your summation and come back and post it and I'll be happy to talk to you about it.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by WhisperingWinds

 

I thought you were done with me?

And you being a she explains a lot.

On the internet whenever I'm dealing with any poster I assume it's a he until I learn otherwise. Because the majority of posters are going to be male, unless you're in an all lesbian chat room?

I wanna go to one of THOSE!!!!

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
And by all means, please give your own summation by the seconds in the video... a "play by play" so to speak. It makes you watch the video much more objectively instead of just jumping to conclusions.

Take your time, I'll wait for your summation.

I actually started doing that yesterday, and got side tracked by something, and right now I'm a little to frustrated with this whole thread to continue.

I'll seriously consider doing it later, when I've cooled off a bit on this topic, and appreciate that you would be willing to hear my version of what could have happened.

It is difficult without audio, and that would help, also it would help to find out more about the student..such as if he is a special needs, etc.

From the additional stories out there that I've read, he doesn't seem to be special needs or have any other types of disabilities.
I'd like to ask you to put yourself in the position of authority for a moment and consider what I've suggested, that he was making violent verbal assaults and ask yourself how you would have handled it if he had said something of the nature of "I'm gonna come back and pop a cap in everybody here" as he was walking out and you were the one that took his arm....think about what the adult is thinking as this is going on.
He actually seems quite calm when thought of in that way. His arm goes up a few times, but it's clearly to keep his balance. He touches the backpack a few times in an effort to hold the student there instead of letting him flail all over the place. Please, just once, take those things into consideration as you watch. You may be very surprised in what you see.

reply to post by PurpleChiten

From the additional stories out there that I've read, he doesn't seem to be special needs or have any other types of disabilities. I'd like to ask you to put yourself in the position of authority for a moment and consider what I've suggested, that he was making violent verbal assaults and ask yourself how you would have handled it if he had said something of the nature of "I'm gonna come back and pop a cap in everybody here" as he was walking out and you were the one that took his arm....think about what the adult is thinking as this is going on. He actually seems quite calm when thought of in that way. His arm goes up a few times, but it's clearly to keep his balance. He touches the backpack a few times in an effort to hold the student there instead of letting him flail all over the place. Please, just once, take those things into consideration as you watch. You may be very surprised in what you see.

First off , its stretching it my opinion to say that he threatened to pop a cap into him, but that could be the case.

If he did he needed to be restrained with arms behind the back, and handcuffs put on him..not thrown into a table, and rethrown, then choked on the ground.

They didn't follow correct protocol whatever the scenario was. That is not how you restrain someone to cuff them, if they are threatening gun use.. These guys should know how to take down a kid that size in a few moves then have restraints put on, without all the slamming around, and apparent choking.

So even if he did threaten to pop him with a gun..like you suggest, it was still an absolute fail as far as appropriate action, in swiftly retaining him.

reply to post by WhisperingWinds


I'll wait for your summation

They interacted for 37 seconds. That's not very long.

reply to post by marsoto


I disagree. Restraining someone who is trying to take swings at you isn't a practice in excessive force. He didn't hit the kid. He just kept him from hitting him or others. I really don't see this as excessive any more then handcuffing someone is excessive. There are times to defend the student....this is not one of those times from what I can tell.

Because pummeling him into the edge of a bench at 0:25 which could have been fatal, taking your first swing at his head at 0:29 after also pummeling him into a table, reassuring him the table felt sad he had to leaverecently and launching the child's body for a revisit into the table at 0:34 and choking the student at 0:45 while he tries to defend himself are all classified as restraint. You go America.

LETS make a few clear notes here.

Not having physical discipline before this event proves nothing.

The teacher used excessive force. Meaning: Level of force unreasonable or unwarranted under the circumstances. Reference 0:25; 0:29; 0.34 and 0:45. Oh and don't forget to congratulate the remaining A-Team that finish off the youngster who just got a hefty beating, yeah that's right, you don't need to punch to beat.

Some of you are saying the child's filthy mouth got him what he deserved, also making assumptions that this is why they "left out the audio". This would directly show that the security officer is NOT mature enough to fulfill his role in a school, as he is UNABLE to control himself over WORDS. Assumption ---> It seems he uses his role as a means to justify his abuse.

You are immature if you can't handle a child calling you names, which is disgusting of our youth today, but is no reason for excessive force.

This type of violence will breed more violence. Is that what we want to teach the youth of today, whoops I mean the youth of the United States, where violence is so well received.

Sorry I slipped there. I get the feeling you violence lovers are in here to promote your fetish.