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A Challenge to All Non-Muslim

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by aries4211
ooo ya kets not forget how can jesus be a profit to u guys when he preached he was the son of god !! ur relgion is much youngers jesus warned of false profits ,,and u bleave this crazy warlord petiphile named mohamid


Can I get chapter and verse on exactly where Jesus preached he was "the son of God"?




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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You do acknowledge that he witnessed Arabic slavers first hand. Instead of this making him a valuable primary source, this makes him a biased source according to you?


I dunno olincasino - would it make someone biased if they judged the West solely on the fact that the West did a little slave-trading their own damn selves?

can you judge the many by the few?

do a few bad apples ruin the whole batch - or are bad apples just bad apples?

I think some people use the bad apples as an example of an entire batch because it's easier than thinking

sometimes thinking is hard

:-)


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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:01 AM
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it is made by wrong christian clerics if you search you will find it.

Quran criticizes such ideas:

"""O followers of the Book(christians and jews)! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus son of Maryam is only an apostle of God and His Word which He communicated to Maryam and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in God and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; God is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and God is sufficient for a Protector."""



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Actually the Aboriginals in Tasmania were killed off by disease, but they didn't all die out they are still alive today.


Oh really?



The Aboriginal Tasmanians (Tasmanian: Parlevar or Palawa) were the indigenous people of the Australian state of Tasmania, located south of the continent of Australia. Before British colonisation in 1803, there were an estimated 3,000–15,000 Parlevar.[1][2] A number of historians point to introduced disease as the major cause of the destruction of the full-blooded Aboriginal population.[3]:pp 84-85[4]:p 388[5]:pp 66-67[6]:pp 372-376 Geoffrey Blainey wrote that by 1830 in Tasmania: "Disease had killed most of them but warfare and private violence had also been devastating."[7] Other historians regard the Black War as one of the earliest recorded modern genocides.[8] Benjamin Madley wrote: "Despite over 170 years of debate over who or what was responsible for this near-extinction, no consensus exists on its origins, process, or whether or not it was genocide" however, using the "U.N. definition, sufficient evidence exists to designate the Tasmanian catastrophe genocide."[1]

By 1833, George Augustus Robinson, sponsored by Lieutenant Governor George Arthur, had persuaded the approximately 200 surviving Aboriginal Tasmanians to surrender themselves with assurances that they would be protected, provided for and eventually have their lands returned to them. These 'assurances' were in fact lies - promises made to the survivors that played on their desperate hopes for reunification with lost family and community members. The assurances were given by Robinson solely to remove the Aboriginal people from mainland Van Diemen's Land.[9] The survivors were moved to Wybalenna Aboriginal Establishment on Flinders Island, where diseases continued to reduce their numbers even further. In 1847, the last 47 living inhabitants of Wybalenna were transferred to Oyster Cove, south of Hobart, on the main island of Tasmania. There, a woman called Trugernanner (often rendered as Truganini), who is widely believed to be the last of the 'full-blooded' Aboriginal person, died in 1876. However, in 1889 Parliament recognised Fanny Cochrane Smith (d:1905) as the last surviving 'full blooded' Aboriginal Tasmanian, giving her a land grant of 300 acres (120 ha) and an annuity of £50.[10][11]


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Look pretty dead from here. Since you want to bring up biological warfare, just WHO brought those diseases that killed them off in between the hunts organized against them? It couldn't have been the Europeans, could it? Nah....



What does race have to do with anything?


Nothing at all if you don't understand what the term "genocide" means...
... of course if you DO understand what it means, race has pretty much everything to do with it.



The other guy asked me about the Aboriginal genocide, which I responded only 20 thousand were killed in 150 years whereas 6 million Russians were killed in less than one year. Which is the bigger genocide? Hmm?



Great answer. "my pretend genocide is bigger than your real genocide, so there! Nyah, nyah!"

So if I kill off a few people here, that makes it ok for you to kill off a few people there? that's some great logic you've got going on there...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Now That you have taught me how to wear a headscarf (I thank you) I will teach you how to be a ninja with just a T-Shirt





Not taking the pee just injecting a little humor



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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You asked.... where have christians ever plotted against Australia.... I say ask the Aborigines..... I think them good old christians use to rape their women, if you christians truly loved your God....you would give them their land back... those people never harmed the planet.

I'm not religious so you will have to call me an athiest...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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The point is simply to be seen for who we are inside and not our beauty, and to be seen as respectable religious women... in the west a simple scarf and modest dress does suffice for this...

But, why do you need to cover your beauty? It's part of your birthright. I don't wear a hijab, and I will respectfully decline your suggestion that I try it. In fact, I wonder...is there some rule that a non-Muslim woman should NOT "pose" as one? I don't have men hitting on me, because I don't act like a hoochy-mama. I only rarely wear makeup...and generally wear comfortable clothing.

And for the record, I am affiliated with NO religion. I don't wear the props of any of them, and even if I were a religious person very strong in my faith, I don't see a reason to "announce" or "advertise" it. Why put yourself in that position?

What if you tried for a day to go bare-headed and wear a crucifix? Would you be called an "infiltrator" or a "poser"? A "fraud?" I'm not intending to be insulting, I just really don't see that a head-scarf in the midwest does anything except "announce" your religion. Will you be condemned if you skip it? Would I be condemned for posing if I wore one? I have no idea, but your suggestion is strange.

On the other hand, I am married to a man who rides a Harley-Davidson. When I go with him on rides, I wear black leather chaps, a vest, and the "props" required to keep me alive or minimize injury in case of a crash. I don't wear them around town just to "show" that I'm part of the biker culture. There's no need to do that...

yet, on the road earlier this month, when we stopped at a suburban gas station (Chicago), a woman with her two young daughters (8 and 10) approached us, and the mom said, "The girls were checking you out. They said 'She's cool!', and wanted to talk to you."

Other people might herd their children away from us, being "big bad bikers".... does it mean we are thugs? Of course not. Bikers get a similar reaction from those outside the culture as what you describe wearing your hijab. I just don't see a reason to be a walking advertisement for something that causes you to be unreasonably "shunned." Does that somehow make you closer to God?

I really am curious about this. Also, I would like to know...what is your ethnicity? Were you born into your faith, or did you convert to it on your own accord?

I wonder how the Catholics down the road would feel if you went to their Church and wore similar attire to theirs, then told them afterward in the parish hall having coffee that you are Muslim. Just a thought.

But thanks for the thread, it helps.
edit on 30-6-2012 by wildtimes because: left a sentence dangling, and the thought unfinished.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by maes9
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it is made by wrong christian clerics if you search you will find it.

Quran criticizes such ideas:

"""O followers of the Book(christians and jews)! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus son of Maryam is only an apostle of God and His Word which He communicated to Maryam and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in God and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; God is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and God is sufficient for a Protector."""


If anyone wants to claim that Jesus himself preached that he is THE son of God, then they ought to have no problem citing the chapter and verse where he said so.

I'm not a Muslim, nor am I a Christian, but I do happen to know just a little of each, and I'd like to see the chapter and verse where Christians claim Jesus preached himself to be THE son of God.

As a matter of fact, that little problem of the discrepancy between what they preach and what is actually written is probably the very reason I'm not a Christian. Who knows? If they can cough up that verse, they might win a convert!



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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
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Good post, but I'm afraid those "evil" stereotypes do have some truth to them. I can't speak for other countries, but Australia has had some problems with Muslims and I don't think its a clash of cultures, for example.
In the early 2000s, there were a series of brutal rapes committed by Muslim Arab men who targetted white women. They bashed them and kept them chained up in public toilets for several days and were repeatedly raped.

Now we could put aside the fact they were Muslim and just say it was a racial motivated attack, BUT when the men were charged in court the mother of the men wearing a hijab actually spat on the female victims calling them "whores" and "they deserved it they are infidels!!!"

Australia is a country that has given refuge to many people including Muslims, but this is how they thank us?
History proves that wherever Islam has gone it has conquered the country, most of the times violently.

EDIT: I don't doubt it would be hard for a Muslim woman in the West, BUT lets turn the tables and see how Christians are treated in the Middle East - At least we don't stone you like they do!!!
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But this is a problem with dualistic view from my point of view. There is people that are muslism that are plain and simple unelightened egodevils that have not understood anything and there is people that are muslism that are saints. But it is the same for christians and atheists. I do not like the thought of Sharia at all and think it is outdated and fundamentalistic and unholy/godless.

People should be allowed to be as they want but not forced to be it. It is like saying promescuiety is good or bad. Let the people who want to be nonpromescous be that with each other and the promescuous be that with the people who want to be promescuous.

We have had problem with muslim priest in Sweden that is not helping the women when they are beaten because they have fundamenatlistc ideas. I do not think it is the muslim faith that is the problem real problem but the culture behind it that have not dealt with equal rights between the sexes.

I do have a problem with circumcision in all it forms in all religons since I do not feel it should be done by parents but decided by the person at an older age. In fact I think it is a destruction/mutilation of what god has created and what should have been.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Please bare with me as I make a point as to why I will not take up your challenge. I respect you as a woman and a muslim, I think there is way too much hatred and idiocy amongst ourselves when it comes to "I have the truth way". Everyone thinks their way is the right and holy way among religiously active individuals.

The main reason I won't participate in the challenge is that I already know how it feels to be treated like vermin for your religion. I grew up a Jehovah's Witness, I had to stand outside class from kindergarten whenever the national anthem was played or holiday crafts were being done as I was not allowed due to my 'faith' to be involved in any such activates as it would displease the Most High..yada yada. I also had to go to a catholic school and then knock on the doors of my classmates on weekends with the word of god message. I had a kick me sign on my back, front, side and forehead.

I did not participate in birthdays, Christmas, Halloween, etc. Those were 'pagan' holidays that Jehovah despised. When picked on or looked at like I was a freak or screamed at and having a door slammed in my face, I was expected to rejoice because it meant I was on the right path. Persecution equals holy and righteous and a far amount of pomp among those who deem themselves spiritually superior.

So if we are going to be completely and utterly honest here, it's a cultural pat on the back for you if you are looked at rudely, treated badly. It justifies the superiority of your belief system. It has nothing to do with you being Muslim at all and everything to do with inclusive belief systems wanting to be justified as to how they are Right!

It was only through deprogramming from the childhood indoctrination I received that I realized just how invasive this conditioning is. How deeply rooted and in denial it becomes. In the end I realized God or the Creative force loves me as I am, doesn't expect me to follow the dictates of men. And last time I checked who wrote all the religious texts of this world? Men..so come on, woman to woman, of course it's gonna be slanted towards repressing a woman's innate power and her sexuality. If a man doesn't respect me because my hair is uncovered, he doesn't deserve my respect, period. I am a creation of God therefore inheriantly deserving of respect by all my fellow creations. I will not bow down to any man or any institution organized by men that does not respect the divine nature of the feminine aspect of creation.

Nothing divides humanity and furthermore woman and man than religion. While I respect everyone's right to believe what they choose, I've outgrown the need to have my spirituality dictated by anything other than my own inner truth. I know how you feel, I've been in your shoes, as I stood on a street corner dressed to my ankles holding up religious material, while sneered at, made fun of and given very dirty looks. I have no need to revisit it.
I believed it was my free choice...when really it was childhood indoctrination from birth. The only way to know if something is truly your free choice is to reject it completely, learn and live other ways and then decide as an adult free of pressure what you believe. If that is your case, I absolutely respect you for it, for sticking to your guns and for the record would never look at you meanly regardless. I may look however at you with a bit of sadness in my eyes that perhaps you haven't really connected to your own truth but what someone else has taught you is truth.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by apushforenlightment

We have had problem with muslim priest in Sweden that is not helping the women when they are beaten because they have fundamenatlistc ideas.


Not fundamentalist ideas. Islamic ideas.

The Koran makes it clear that husbands are allowed to beat disobedient wives.


Koran 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Koran 4:34


In the Hadith Muslim (canonical to Sunni Muslims who make up 85%+ of Muslims worldwide) Muhammad struck his favourite wife in the chest because she had left the house without his permission.


Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Hadith Muslim 4:2127



Islam condones wife beating. That is mainstream Islam, not fundamentalist Islam.





edit on 30-6-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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well God exists, and his prophets came to show the right way, but you should know something that all of these religions are altered although fortunately there is only one Quran and it is believed not be altered itself but if the real truth reveals and humanity get united then how anti_ christ wants to rule over humanity!?
so you should be careful to believe what your inner prophet (your wisdom) accepts it too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAh5bmeF8RU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRgi0XT8Fg8
d01.megashares.com...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by apushforenlightment

We have had problem with muslim priest in Sweden that is not helping the women when they are beaten because they have fundamenatlistc ideas.


Not fundamentalist ideas. Islamic ideas.

The Koran makes it clear that husbands are allowed to beat disobedient wives.


Koran 4:34

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Koran 4:34


In the Hadith Muslim (canonical to Sunni Muslims who make up 85%+ of Muslims worldwide) Muhammad struck his favourite wife in the chest because she had left the house without his permission.


Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."

Hadith Muslim 4:2127



Islam condones wife beating. That is mainstream Islam, not fundamentalist Islam.





edit on 30-6-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)


well I know that you are speaking about sunnies in what they demand and they should come and say if they realy think so!
Mohammed praised his only daughter that was his first child in a backwarded society that would kill their daughters and having a daughter was considered a disaster! can you believe!?
and he says that every man that does not behave with women rightly, he is not a muslim!

unfortunately you are right. women are not treated as they deserve in some Islamic countries even in Saudi Arabia they have no right for driving or voting (if there are any voting there) not to mention that USA does not claim any killing of human rights for their allies.

anyway about what you quoted from Quran. well it is solely about sex. you know men has no other way to calm their sexual desire. once I asked about it and we should know that beating can be regarded a crime in court to pay fine. it should not consider beating! it means some harder behaviour than forsaking them in the bed!



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Textand about the LAST DAYS in Islam. Jesus that is alive will return in jerusalem and it will unite christianity and other believers with a revolutionary which comes from middle east. that is Mahdi which will pray with Jesus in Jerusalem. that minority those that kill innocents for their benefits. they are the unbelievers and they will oppose Jesus and they are following the steps of anti_christ.


What you don't understand is that the Jesus you await to unite Christianity and Islam is the same Jesus the bible has warned us about the Antichrist . Antichrist is a bad translation it should read the instead of Christ a replacement Jesus . Satan always wanted to be Jesus and this is why he rebeled against God getting one third of Gods children to believe in him and forsake our creator .

The bible is clear when the true Jesus returns all those who are alive will be changed in the twinkle of an eye into their spiritual bodies , Christ will be returning with the whole host of heaven coming from the east. The Jesus Islam awaits to help out the 12th imam Mahadi is the Antichrist and your Mahadi is his false prophet.

I am not trying to insult you but this is the truth as the holy spirit has revealed it to me , it is just not Islam that will be fooled by this instead of Christ , most Christians will believe it is Jesus because they have not studied the bible and only listen to the false teachings of the churches . Almost the whole world will follow after the instead of Christ because of the miracles he will create , the false temporary peace to win people over , this man loves an atheist because they will follow him and believe on him as god .

The Antichrist will eventually stand on the rock in the dome of the rock saying he is god and then the slaughter of all who do not follow him will begin , it does not matter what religion ou are from at this point if you do not follow him you will be beheaded .



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by maes9
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it is made by wrong christian clerics if you search you will find it.

Quran criticizes such ideas:

"""O followers of the Book(christians and jews)! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus son of Maryam is only an apostle of God and His Word which He communicated to Maryam and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in God and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; God is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and God is sufficient for a Protector."""


If anyone wants to claim that Jesus himself preached that he is THE son of God, then they ought to have no problem citing the chapter and verse where he said so.

I'm not a Muslim, nor am I a Christian, but I do happen to know just a little of each, and I'd like to see the chapter and verse where Christians claim Jesus preached himself to be THE son of God.

As a matter of fact, that little problem of the discrepancy between what they preach and what is actually written is probably the very reason I'm not a Christian. Who knows? If they can cough up that verse, they might win a convert!



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Text1st. Note how Jesus always cast out demons, cured the sick, and did miracles in His own name. Also, on several occasions Jesus deliberately said; "I AM". This would never have been taken lightly by any Jew of Jesus' time. Think! Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” When first encountered, this might not seem to be a claim to be God. However, when we look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “For a good work we stone thee not; replied the Jews, but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” (John 10:33). Now we see an actual claim. The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Why would the Jews want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John: 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58,and 13:19. The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." (Colossians 1:15-17) John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!


www.bibleprobe.com...

Here are a few verses for you to show Jesus , God the Father and the Holy spirit are the same . The link above gives many more examples , the volume of the Bible was written about Jesus / Yashua . His return is real soon so you may get to ask him yourself.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Azadok2day
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Textand about the LAST DAYS in Islam. Jesus that is alive will return in jerusalem and it will unite christianity and other believers with a revolutionary which comes from middle east. that is Mahdi which will pray with Jesus in Jerusalem. that minority those that kill innocents for their benefits. they are the unbelievers and they will oppose Jesus and they are following the steps of anti_christ.


What you don't understand is that the Jesus you await to unite Christianity and Islam is the same Jesus the bible has warned us about the Antichrist . Antichrist is a bad translation it should read the instead of Christ a replacement Jesus . Satan always wanted to be Jesus and this is why he rebeled against God getting one third of Gods children to believe in him and forsake our creator .

The bible is clear when the true Jesus returns all those who are alive will be changed in the twinkle of an eye into their spiritual bodies , Christ will be returning with the whole host of heaven coming from the east. The Jesus Islam awaits to help out the 12th imam Mahadi is the Antichrist and your Mahadi is his false prophet.

I am not trying to insult you but this is the truth as the holy spirit has revealed it to me , it is just not Islam that will be fooled by this instead of Christ , most Christians will believe it is Jesus because they have not studied the bible and only listen to the false teachings of the churches . Almost the whole world will follow after the instead of Christ because of the miracles he will create , the false temporary peace to win people over , this man loves an atheist because they will follow him and believe on him as god .

The Antichrist will eventually stand on the rock in the dome of the rock saying he is god and then the slaughter of all who do not follow him will begin , it does not matter what religion ou are from at this point if you do not follow him you will be beheaded .


well all right, I have something here:
d01.megashares.com...
They have some statements from their messengers about the last days and arrival. some of them are about what it is called Dajjal(very deceiver). they mean the Anti_christ by that word exactly. now I mention one of them. they think that it is an ironical statement with the culture and literature of thousands years ago. so I also highlight what they think it refers to.
"""Anti_christ will come from a city that it's name refers to jews""" / maybe refering to Israel /
"""(but he is not a jew) it is written in his forehead the word kafar(atheist) and everyone can read it. Literate ones and Illiterate ones""" / Israel has a military regiment called KFIR and it does not need to know arabic to read that! /
"""most of it's followers are from illegal sex""" / maybe it is the reason how it is advertising in the media. /
"""it's sound can travel from east to west.'''' / well it is the media. is not it!? /
"""it can travel rapidly from east to west""" / well by airplanes! /
"""it says I am your creator, I am the God""" / the statements of Lucifer! /
"""It has one eye and it is located in his forehead""" / this is what you can see all over the film. /
"""It will be killed by hand of a man called (Mahdi) who will pray with Jesus in Jerusalem.""" / Mahdi will be a muslim revolutionary that will come from middleeast and Jesus will unite the world with him. /

My brother our Jesus is exactly your Jesus and this is the antichrist media that tries to show that Mahdi is the antichrist, moreover he is not a prophet he is a leader.
it is not political but how can you rely on what they call themselves jews(but they are not). the zionists those that tried to kill Jesus. where are the Jesus killers!? near the Jerusalem. and what are they doing!?

in the Bible, in the psalm 37 we can read ""The wicked plot against the righteous, and gnash their teeth at them, but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming, The wicked draw the sword, and bend the bow, to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright, But their swords will pierce their own hearts, and their bows will be broken.""



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Hello Madam, I want to put a few logics ( these are purely logics from where i stand bcoz i have never worn a full body cover)
Firstly, if i had a wound, and id cover it up well and perfume it and then show it around to the world saying lookie i havent any wound at all on me then how would you react?........See, the issue is that sex and sexual feelings lie reside in you whether or not yourself, honest madam, are willing to accept it.Then are those walking naked happy?...to some extent it is true but not entirely. Rather isnt it better to transform the sexual-ity inside onself through meditation. Then everyone will be respecting even if ?? walks naked. I have seen and felt it in my life that even a fully naked ascetic does not emit out sexuality but of course it depends upon the viewers discretion to turn events into sexual events.

Secondly, I took you out for a movie and that movie was dull ( no action no romance no comedy!! imagine) then i took you out for a dinner and the food had no spices just plain boiled.........i asked you if you liked the evening then what would you say?
Similarly if a girl is depressive, boring,all ruled up (thats the one side) or if shes utterly artificial, talkative ( i mean way too much insensible talkative ) etc then too its...................So if a woman makes you happy, instills dances in your heart, enjoys lifes routines ( which includes sex ) isnt she the woman that ud say is good. Well such women usually wear makeup, its social research proven that happy people like to make things all chicked and perked up.

Madam i dont mean to offend you or your faith, how can I.....it isnt a glass ball that i can just smash away anyway.
Everything in life has some use, like it or not. There was a mentos advert here in which a schoolkid (6th or 7th grader) was not good at anything, more so in sports he could never hit an aim however hard he tried he could never goal or basket, so the teacher ate mentos and then decided his future. he would then become robinhood type, he hit darts whilst his friend was put at the centre and everytime he missed the dart hitting his friend people thought he had 'missed knowingly'
Similarly when ure alone in a bus its good to wear scarf so that u dont fall prey and when ure with ur guy then let it down too...........i like that kind of religious women who use brains too.

But if ure a practicing nun of whichever religion or faith then i take my words back.

Lastly, about those 1%, dont worry at all, such people are there, EVERYWHERE, to prove that their pont of view is correct and others are less right or even outwardly wrong. So i at the end woukd like to say that i may be wrong and if i am, then sorry to have mislead. THankyou



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by maes9
well my friend this is the meaning of the word JIHAD and it is not important that how many references are there.

violent, well war is violent! when they wage war against you to kill you then you would say thank you!?


Since 9/11 Jihadi Muslims have been forced to carry out terrorist attacks (in self defence) in

India
Sudan
Algeria
New York
Pakistan
Israel
Russia
Chechnya
Philippines
Indonesia
Nigeria
England
Thailand
Spain
Egypt
Bangladesh
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Morocco
Yemen
Arkansas
France
Uzbekistan
Gaza
Tunisia
Kosovo
Bosnia
Mauritania
Kenya
Eritrea
Syria
Somalia
California
Kuwait
Virginia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Jordan
United Arab Emirates
Louisiana
Texas
Tanzania
Illinois
Australia
Pennsylvania
Belgium
Denmark
East Timor
Qatar
Maryland
Tajikistan
Netherlands
Afghanistan
Chad
Canada
China
Nepal
Maldives
Argentina
Mali
Angola
Ukraine
Uganda
North Carolina
Germany
Arizona
Lebanon
Iran
Kazakhstan
Sweden
Azerbaijan
Iraq
Scotland
Macedonia

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I'm just glad that Islam is the religion of peace.

Image the length of that list if Islam allowed Muslims to be aggressive?



How can we even prove that the following countries were bombed by Muslims? Besides they're different sects and one to keep an eye out for are the Wahhabi, these are extremists. Can we now include the list of countries bombed by Christians and Jews? I believe the KKK were also Christian? Correct me If I'm wrong.

Secondly, no one has considered American converts, i.e people of Caucasian ethnicity, born and raised in the United States that have converted to Islam. Should they also lose rights? These people are not immigrants.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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TextMy brother our Jesus is exactly your Jesus and this is the antichrist media that tries to show that Mahdi is the antichrist, moreover he is not a prophet he is a leader. it is not political but how can you rely on what they call themselves jews(but they are not). the zionists those that tried to kill Jesus. where are the Jesus killers!? near the Jerusalem. and what are they doing!?


That's fine but you must remember one thing , if some individule claims he is Jesus and you are in the same flesh body you are in as of now then it is not the real Christ but a false one . I can not stress this enough when Christ returns we will all be changed in the twinkle of an eye into our spiritual bodies , we will al in that instant be about the same age with all the aches and pains of the flesh gone in that twinkle of an eye . If you follow ny man in the flesh claiming to be Jesus even thou this false Christ will work marvelous miracles calling lightning from the sky at his will , this will not be the true Jesus just the decieved given power by God to decieve all those who did not learn his word .



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Op - What is your view on other religions and their clothes e.g. the jewish hat? Are you okay with this - live and let live?

Op - What is your view if a religion had that they wear the cod piece (men) or bikini for women.

I understand your view and it is perfectly reasonable that you want tolerances on the religion conformity that you have chosen to live by. So I really want to know how you feel about other people's choices - religiously driven or not



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