A Challenge to All Non-Muslim

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

You might want to take a look at some of these before being so certain that only Muslims are terrorists.

Mostly the biggest terrorists are the governments.

Where have Christians ever plotted to attack Australia? Please answer this?

don't you mean when?

i'm sure the aboriginal folk might have a thing or to about the subject

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

You might want to take a look at some of these before being so certain that only Muslims are terrorists.

Mostly the biggest terrorists are the governments.

Where have Christians ever plotted to attack Australia? Please answer this?

don't you mean when?

i'm sure the aboriginal folk might have a thing or to about the subject

And what did the Christians do then please tell me?

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by luciddream

 

Yes but even this only refers to one specific sect in Sunni Islam, and there are several sunni groups that are not like this, even though many do not see Shi'a as Muslim.

But most of the 'normal' people sunnis are just fine with us, I have seen many intermarriages that worked out beautifully between sunni and shia, and I have freinds that are sunni. Not all Sunni are like what you described, only the extremeists. We call them wahabbis

See i learn more about it everyday..there are many muslims where i live(Canada) among other groups..i have not seen any rebellious type of any culture here... people here are passive and live their lives normally, whatever background they maybe.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


we're supposed to deny ignorance here

not embody it

for your own sake get educated

The Albigensian Crusade or Cathar Crusade (1209–1255) was a 45-year military campaign initiated by the Catholic Church to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc. The Crusade was prosecuted primarily by the French crown and promptly took on a political flavour, resulting in not only a significant reduction in the number of practicing Cathars but also a realignment of Occitania, bringing it into the sphere of the French crown and diminishing the distinct regional culture and high level of Aragonese influence.

When Innocent III's diplomatic attempts to roll back Catharism[1] met with little success and after the murder of the papal legate, Pierre de Castelnau, Innocent III declared a crusade against Languedoc, offering the lands of the Cathar "heretics" to any French nobleman willing to take up arms. The violence led to France's acquisition of lands with closer linguistic, cultural, and political ties to Catalonia (see Occitan). The pope declared that all Albigenses "should be imprisoned and their property confiscated". (Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 1, 268)

The Albigensian Crusade also had a role in the creation and institutionalization of both the Dominican Order and the Medieval Inquisition.

en.wikipedia.org...

Crusades
en.wikipedia.org...

your claim that islamic fanatics kill more people in 1 year than the inquidition is disinfo, pure and simple
xtians still hold the record for violence

Medieval_Inquisition
en.wikipedia.org...
the spanish inquisition was a crown managed affair en.wikipedia.org...
Roman_Inquisition
en.wikipedia.org...
Portuguese_Inquisition
en.wikipedia.org...

www.truthbeknown.com...

20th Century Church Atrocities

Catholic extermination camps
Surpisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practising Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!

In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdient der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]
Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]

Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.

The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:
"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps. [MW76-89].

To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American GI's lost their life....

Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small african country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.

For quite some time I heard only rumours about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally butchered facing the crucifix.

According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.

In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]

As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come to an end....

and finally, a bit of australian history:
Stolen_Generations en.wikipedia.org...
List of massacres of Indigenous Australians en.wikipedia.org...

remember DENY Ignorance, don't embody it

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


I'm talking about Christian terrorists here, so I'll ask again where in Australia's history have they planned to attack us?

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


This isn't your thread! Please stop trying to make it about Australia. If you are that concerned, then start a thread about it yourself.

Every reply on this thread has been polite and respectful....except for yours. Seriously, give it a rest. We got your point fifteen posts ago.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

This isn't your thread! Please stop trying to make it about Australia. If you are that concerned, then start a thread about it yourself.

Every reply on this thread has been polite and respectful....except for yours. Seriously, give it a rest. We got your point fifteen posts ago.

Actually I have been respectful, you all ganged up on me for my first post and began arguing with me, so I had to defend myself naturally.

FYI he brought up Australia so likewise I'm answering him.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


And now who is playing the victim card?

reply to post by CrimsonKapital


You were the one who brought up australia 100 times in this thread, repeatedly asking www.abovetopsecret.com... when did Christians ever attack australia, he answered your post... which I had also previously answered and you ignored.

you are not a victim, you have tried to use what could be a thread to bring us all closer together as a human race into your personal hate agenda...

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

And now who is playing the victim card?

How am I playing the victim card here?

reply to post by smyleegrl


shhh... just turn away slowly, lady, but don't make any sudden moves

aborigines aren't people, so xtian folk
[well in the beginning Oz was a penal colony sooo...] didn't terrorize nobody


OT:
so are you really gonna go with the scarf?
are you going to make a thread about it?

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

You were the one who brought up australia 100 times in this thread, repeatedly asking www.abovetopsecret.com... when did Christians ever attack australia, he answered your post... which I had also previously answered and you ignored.

you are not a victim, you have tried to use what could be a thread to bring us all closer together as a human race into your personal hate agenda...

edit on 29-6-2012 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)

Where the hell have I said I hated Muslims? Please tell me, because I only tell facts. I love Muslims!! But that doesn't give you an excuse to lambast me for speaking the truth.

I brought Australia up because like I said its the only country where I have experienced Muslim people, I can't speak for Iraq, or Iran, etc. Which is why I brought it up, please read next time.

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

shhh... just turn away slowly, lady, but don't make any sudden moves

aborigines aren't people, so xtian folk
[well in the beginning Oz was a penal colony sooo...] didn't terrorize nobody


OT:
so are you really gonna go with the scarf?
are you going to make a thread about it?

I asked you when have Christians ever attacked Australia and you are yet to answer me.

Oh and as for the Aborigines, Australia didn't exist then. That was the British.

Deny Ignorance.

reply to post by OpinionatedB


Being a man who is bored I had to try the headscarf thing and wow I looked dashing

reply to post by boymonkey74


lol... I will certainly take you at your word on the 'dashing'

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
I believe that my religion teaches us it is better to cover, and not wear make-up, so that we are treated more respectfully by strange men. And this really is the case, I am always treated with the utmost respect by men who would otherwise be "hitting" on me. I believe it is better to be seen for who I am inside, and seen as being a respectable women who loves her God, than to be seen as a sex object.

So women who do wear make up and don't cover their hair are not seen as respectable women?

By whom?

reply to post by OpinionatedB

Ma'am, I heartily endorse your challenge, though if you're extending it to men I think they'd better wear abaya as well as hijab, otherwise they won't enjoy the full effect.

A very modern Shia lady of my acquaintance briefly went the hijab route and reported experiences just like yours: much less hassle and more respect from men, but also a few nasty looks and comments from prejudiced folk of both sexes. We live in South Asia, by the way, in a country full of racial and religious tensions and a substantial Muslim minority that generally frowns upon fundamentalism.

My friend quickly went back to her usual clothing; her 'fundamentalist' phase was short. It ended abruptly (and interestingly) when she performed the Haj. Exposure to the reality of conservative and fundamentalist Islam quickly disenchanted her; she found the behaviour and attitudes she witnessed among many of the pilgrims at Mecca simply revolting. Hearing her account of it, I could do nothing but agree with her.

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Speaking as an atheist who was formerly a Christian but has travelled widely among the world's faiths, I have to say Islam deserves its bad reputation. The embrace of violence as an instrument of justice and conversion, and the institutionalized oppression of women, are the reasons why. My personal view is that religion – any kind of religion – is too big and complex a thing to be judged 'good' or 'evil'; it is both. However, among the major faiths of the world, there is no argument that Islam and Christianity have done the most harm, no matter how much good they may also have done. Still, no religion is benign.

Christianity, except in some parts of the United States, has mostly grown up and calmed down. Islam, a relatively new religion, is still young, raw and violent. Perhaps in a thousand years it will become peaceable. If it lasts that long.

Even tho im a Rastafari i have great respect for muslims. and my best friend is muslim. it is a very rightious religion just like mine.

What a nice post! Quite the change from some of the things I have been reading recently, a nice one at that. I was raised to believe that God created all people and that you judge a person by their actions and their character and never their skin color, the way they dress, their religion, ect.. I am in Colorado and to be fair we don't exactly have much of a muslim population to my knowledge. So if a woman were to be wearing a head scarf it might stand out a bit, but probably just slightly more than the mormon women who wear long dresses and head scarves. I admit that I might do a double take, but only because it stands out and I'm not used to seeing it. Would I judge or be mean? Absolutely not! I have four boys and my youngest son was with me at the market this past week when we saw a mormon woman and her kids dressed this way. He kept tugging at my shirt whispering "look at that mom" He is young so I didn't get into detailed explanations, but when he saw my reaction of it not being a big deal he was fine with it. We teach the boys that it is what is in a persons heart, how they behave and what is their character that matters.

While I respect your beliefs and even commend you for having the courage to stand behind your beliefs even when people treat you differently or poorly, I would not wear a head scarf. I don't need to wear it to be able to respect you as a fellow human or to be kind to you. I would do that because it is what I believe is the right way to treat people. I remember mom used to say "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and I stick by that.

Your post did get me to thinking though. I am not a religious person, I don't go to church, I can't in good faith affiliate myself with any religion even though I was raised Christian. I have always believed in a God or higher power of some sort, but that is about where my belief ends. The devotion people show to praying and the belief that it does something always intrigues me and makes me wish I could have that kind of faith. I believe in a god that I never speak to essentially, which baffles even myself. Sorry if I am rambling, your post just has gotten me to thinking about some things, namely my lack of faith in God. No that's not too heavy or anything.

Kudos to you for having the courage to post this.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Islamic extremists are responsible. Don't confuse a group of fanatical extremists with the norm; they are, in fact, the exception.

Yet Muhammad was a violent man who spread Islam by the sword. All Muslims know that. Many (thankfully) choose to ignore it. The Islamic extremists do not.

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

By the way, the whole Sura is Here so you can see that it hasn't been taken out of context. The above passage from the Koran means exactly what it says.

Here is a map showing how much Muhammad conquered by the sword before he died. He was preparing for another military campaign to attack Palestine but he died before he could launch the attack.



Muhammad personally fought 8 major battles, led 18 raids and planned another 38 military operations led by subordinate commanders HistoryNet

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Think of it this way. Say 25 Australians were caught plotting to bomb New Zealand. By the logic you used, one could equate all Australians with hatred of New Zealand.

25 Australians were not caught plotting to bomb New Zealand.

In contrast, Muslim extremists have carried out over 19,000 fatal terrorist attacks around the world since 9/11.

Link

Fortunately, most Muslims are peaceful. It is also worth remembering that many of the victims of Islamic terrorism are other Muslims.

On the other hand, no one can deny that Islam has a very serious problem with terrorism. If you do the stats, there has been 1 fatal terrorist attack for every 84,000 Muslims since 9/11.

So for a city the size of New York if everyone citizen were Muslims, we could statistically expect 88 terrorist attacks over a 10 year period or just under 9 a year.

That's a lot. Islam has a big problem with terrorism.