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A Challenge to All Non-Muslim

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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reply to post by OpinionatedB
 

hello again, thanks for your reply,

sadly most people in the uk believe every word the damn mainstream media tell them, i'll be totally honest, until i woke up to the blatant lies that the media were telling us i was a tad racist too, for which i am completely ashamed of myself, but i am not the same person i am now compared to what i was a year ago,

the funny thing was that every muslim person i know are really really nice (with some exceptions, but this applies to all races/religions), i even went to a girls school where approx 50% were muslim and i got on well with everybody, yet i still believed the media, lets just put it this way, i was confused by what the media was telling us compared to what i'd seen for myself,

every time i hear a silly racist comment it infuriates me and i set them straight in a calm way, for example, yesterday i saw a report that said we are more likely to die from a bee sting or drowning in the bath than from a terrorist attack, when i told my colleague at work she just said 'yeah, as if', this maddened me but i understand why she didn't believe this, even though its true. another colleague who is a ''born again'' christian is so racist its unbelievable, he claims to understand the media manipulation but he quite clearly doesn't as he blames muslims for everything, he is so judgemental its sickening, but he doesn't think he is wrong, although he quite clearly is!

as long as we have lying mainstream media i am sad to say that i don't believe racism will ever go away, it must upset you so much when people are rude towards you and must also make you angry at the same time that people only behave this way towards you because they believe everything they read, i know it makes me angry thats for sure,

its been great speaking to you, take care and all the best in everything you do,

i look forward to seeing more threads from you




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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excuse me???? i am in no way a small minded fool or scared of being called a bigot, its a shame you felt like you had to judge me when you don't even know me, my reply to the op was completely genuine and i couldn't give a damn what other people like yourselves think of me, i know i am right, whether you agree or not,



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Please tell me what you think to the fact that women who wear headscarves are putting pressure on non-muslim women to also wear headscarves. Women who live in predominantly muslim areas, or who have to walk through them, are having to wear headscarves or even cover up head to foot in order to minimise the attention they receive from muslim men, including requests for paid sex and sleazy stalking behaviour. In some cases, which are growing as more women embrace this belief system, women are raped as punishment for not keeping within the 'spiritua clothingl' bounds of Islam despite not even being followers, which demonstrates the level of spirituality.

You are dealing with a woman who speaks from experience by the way.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by DeadSnow

By your logic we could say, paedophiles exist in every religion (including Catholicism) so we have no right to condemn Muhammad for being a paedophile.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THE PREIST ARE NOT CONISDERED THE FOUNDER OF THE RELEGION !!!!



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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In the entire wall of text you quoted there, there was ONE quote attributed to Jesus. Everything else was filler and fluff designed to sway opinion, but NOT quotations from Jesus.

The single quote from Jesus there was this: “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).

I tell you now, right here, that I and the Father are one as well. Does that make ME God, too? No, it doesn't. When I was married, I and my wife were one as well. Since we were one, and I and the Father are one, does that mean SHE was God, too? No. She is no more God than She and I were the same individual.

Nor can any of us help how others interpret in their own heads what we say. We can speak plainly, and they will STILL rewrite it to mean what they want it to mean inside their own heads. The opinions of the Jews are irrelevant to what was actually said unless it is in full compliance and agreement with what was actually said.

Therefore, until I see a quote where Jesus himself claimed to be God, I remain as I Am.

Stone me at will.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by DeadSnow

I believe the KKK were also Christian? Correct me If I'm wrong.


So your argument is no one has the right to object to being blown up by Islamic terrorists because the KKK has murded people in the past?


Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.

Link


Your logic is very special.



According to the Koran and Hadith, Muhammad


• Pronounced death for leaving Islam, Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Vol 24, Verse 24

• Told followers that Jihad was the second highest thing after believing in Allah, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25

• Stated he would fight until everyone admitted their was only one god, Allah, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

Burnt people for not praying Sahih Bukhari Book 1, Vol 11, Verse 626

Forced non Muslims to be humbled, submit to Islam and pay jizyah tax.Koran Book 9 Verse 29


If Muhammad, which the Koran demands 91 times that Muslims imitate him in every way,
(Statistical Islam)

• Pronounced death for leaving Islam,

• Told followers that Jihad was the second highest thing after believing in Allah,

• Stated he would fight until everyone admitted there was only one god, Allah,

Burnt people for not praying and

Forced non Muslims to be humbled, submit to Islam and pay jizyah tax.

in what sense is Islam a religion of peace?


It is a mistake to assume that Islam is just another religion.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by mutualfeelings

Well such women usually wear makeup, its social research proven that happy people like to make things all chicked and perked up.



It's in the eye of the beholder.

I personally can't stand to hang out with women who wear makeup. Makeup is designed for one thing, and one thing only - to hide the wearer and make of them something they are not, if only in appearances, and appearances are mere deceptions. They are nothing. Appearances do not show the person beneath. Makeup is false advertising.

Besides, makeup tastes awful. I'd rather kiss a bar of soap.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by maes9
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well God exists, and his prophets came to show the right way, but you should know something that all of these religions are altered although fortunately there is only one Quran and it is believed not be altered itself but if the real truth reveals and humanity get united then how anti_ christ wants to rule over humanity!?
so you should be careful to believe what your inner prophet (your wisdom) accepts it too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAh5bmeF8RU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRgi0XT8Fg8
d01.megashares.com...



Yes, all 3 Abrahamic religions have been "changed", but not in the sense of having been rewritten to hide anything by later people. They have been "changed" in the same way as trunk and branch grow from root - they developed that way. They are mere branches, not the root.

All 3 are branches, none have the entire truth - none are the root, from which all else grows.





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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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Their CVs don't matter. The fact is that all your sources are professional sectarians, hatemongers or racists, the sites you quote are all hate sites, and the facts that (a) you have all these names at your fingertips and (b) so eagerly leap to their defence shows precisely where you stand in this.

And yes, Livingstone was sick and half-blind. Not to mention a religious nut. Look it up.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by ollncasino
 

And yes, Livingstone was sick and half-blind.


Gotta watch those blind people... they are ALL CIA!

The white canes are actually BLOW GUNS!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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And how many people has the Great Christian Nation of America and the western world murdered? Muslims couldn't catch up to Hitlers figures in another 50 years
, I'm sorry but America killed more Muslims during their occupations of the middle east. What about Israels massacres of Palestine?, what about Mao Ze-Dong?, Leopold II of Belgium? Stalin?.

I do have a very special Logic indeed it's called being unbiased.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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Better I think



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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I love all these christian hypocrites pointing out hadiths or stuff from the quran when the bible, both books, condone all sorts of horrors, far more than anything from islamic texts. Even Jesus gave instructions on how to treat slaves and even said it was ok to kill them, not to mention all the rape, genocide, support for institutionalised slavery, murdering disobedient children, murdering atheists, murdering gays, all sorts of disgusting #. EVERY religion has # like this. It doesn't mean every follower of these religions support it. Most christians don't support the genocide of entire cities because they don't care for Jesus' preaching! Just because a book says that it doesn't mean everybody believes and supports every word of it! In the case of Islam and Christianity, most followers don't support those sorts of things.

Let people believe what they want to believe. As far as clothing is concerned, it's none of your damn business! It's not the government's business to tell people what they can and can't wear AND IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS EITHER! If somebody wants to wear a headscarf it doesn't ****ing affect you in any way! If you don't like it, that's your own damn business!
edit on 1/7/12 by Yazman because: clarification



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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It is evident you refuse to believe that Jesus and God are one ,if you knew anything of the bible and i am netteing you do , you would know God the father refered to Himself as the I AM , Jesus used this statement many times upsetting the Hebrews to the point of getting stoned for His claim of being the I AM / God.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by Yazman
I love all these christian hypocrites pointing out hadiths or stuff from the quran when the bible, both books, condone all sorts of horrors, far more than anything from islamic texts. Even Jesus gave instructions on how to treat slaves and even said it was ok to kill them, not to mention all the rape, genocide, support for institutionalised slavery, murdering disobedient children, murdering atheists, murdering gays, all sorts of disgusting #. EVERY religion has # like this. It doesn't mean every follower of these religions support it. Most christians don't support the genocide of entire cities because they don't care for Jesus' preaching! Just because a book says that it doesn't mean everybody believes and supports every word of it! In the case of Islam and Christianity, most followers don't support those sorts of things.

Let people believe what they want to believe. As far as clothing is concerned, it's none of your damn business! It's not the government's business to tell people what they can and can't wear AND IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS EITHER! If somebody wants to wear a headscarf it doesn't ****ing affect you in any way! If you don't like it, that's your own damn business!
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You made all sorts of statements , can you provide links or verses in the new testament that calls for these things and slavery was part of the world back then but please provide a link where Jesus said to kill slaves . I prefer sticking to the truth to get my point across .
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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He claimed to be the son of God, nothing more.

"My God, My God, why have thou forsaken me...", Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:24
"Father forgive them for they know not what they do." Luke 23:34
"Father into your hands I commit my spirit." Luke 23:46



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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What I believe personally is irrelevant to the issue. I asked where Jesus himself claimed to be God, and was instead pointed to what OTHERS said of him.

Regarding "I Am", refer back to the post you were responding to there.

Again, begin stoning me at will.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by Azadok2day

Originally posted by Yazman
I love all these christian hypocrites pointing out hadiths or stuff from the quran when the bible, both books, condone all sorts of horrors, far more than anything from islamic texts. Even Jesus gave instructions on how to treat slaves and even said it was ok to kill them, not to mention all the rape, genocide, support for institutionalised slavery, murdering disobedient children, murdering atheists, murdering gays, all sorts of disgusting #. EVERY religion has # like this. It doesn't mean every follower of these religions support it. Most christians don't support the genocide of entire cities because they don't care for Jesus' preaching! Just because a book says that it doesn't mean everybody believes and supports every word of it! In the case of Islam and Christianity, most followers don't support those sorts of things.

Let people believe what they want to believe. As far as clothing is concerned, it's none of your damn business! It's not the government's business to tell people what they can and can't wear AND IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS EITHER! If somebody wants to wear a headscarf it doesn't ****ing affect you in any way! If you don't like it, that's your own damn business!
edit on 1/7/12 by Yazman because: clarification




You made all sorts of statements , can you provide links or verses in the new testament that calls for these things and slavery was part of the world back then but please provide a link where Jesus said to kill slaves . I prefer sticking to the truth to get my point across .
edit on 1-7-2012 by Azadok2day because: Thought


Yeah - that (the slave-killing comment) and the claim that Jesus said to destroy entire cities if they wouldn't believe in him sort of stuck in my craw, too. I'd like to see some references to those claims as well.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Matthew 11:21-24 - Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching.

Luke 10: 10-15 - Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples

Mark 6:11 - Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

The slave who knew his master’s will, but did not do it, was beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:47 (ok to beat slaves, not necessarily kill them, my mistake)

Revelation 6:15; 13:16 & 19:18 take for granted the existence of “free men” and “slaves”

1 Corinthians 7:21 Slaves should not desire their freedom.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

There's your references.

However, you're missing the point - my POINT is that all religions have stuff like this. Christians especially I find hold stupid, ridiculous, reprehensible double standards in regards to this - EVERY religion has stuff like this but so often there's self-righteous, holier-than-thou Christians who feel like the morally and ethically wrong and horrific stuff in the Bible is somehow ok, but it's NOT ok in other religions.

Virtually all religions have crap like this in their texts somewhere - just because it's there it doesn't mean every muslim everywhere supports every word of it, nor does it mean every christian supports every word of it.

Stop cherry-picking a few horrific phrases from a religious text and saying "all muslims are bad! Islam supports this!" No, they are just statements in an millennia old book that most people ignore in their worship in 2012.

Yes there are small sects of psychos like McVeigh, or Anders Behring Breivik, the Westboro Baptist Church, the Taliban, buddhist soldiers in thailand who commit atrocities, etc but it doesn't mean all people of these major religions support such things! MOST don't, and you know that very well, so quit #ing slandering billions of people by pulling this # up! Quite frankly it doesn't matter! The average christian doesn't think slavery is cool and neither does the average muslim! Neither do they think rape victims should marry their rapist! Neither do they think disobedient children should be killed! Neither do they think that cities who refuse the preaching of jesus should be destroyed!

A FEW QUOTES FROM AN OLD TEXT DO NOT REFLECT THE VIEWS OF MILLIONS!



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by Yazman
I love all these christian hypocrites pointing out hadiths or stuff from the quran when the bible, both books, condone all sorts of horrors, far more than anything from islamic texts. Even Jesus gave instructions on how to treat slaves and even said it was ok to kill them, not to mention all the rape, genocide, support for institutionalised slavery, murdering disobedient children, murdering atheists, murdering gays, all sorts of disgusting #. EVERY religion has # like this. It doesn't mean every follower of these religions support it. Most christians don't support the genocide of entire cities because they don't care for Jesus' preaching! Just because a book says that it doesn't mean everybody believes and supports every word of it! In the case of Islam and Christianity, most followers don't support those sorts of things.

Let people believe what they want to believe. As far as clothing is concerned, it's none of your damn business! It's not the government's business to tell people what they can and can't wear AND IT'S NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS EITHER! If somebody wants to wear a headscarf it doesn't ****ing affect you in any way! If you don't like it, that's your own damn business!
edit on 1/7/12 by Yazman because: clarification


If only it was that simple. Unfortunately there is a very serious glitch to this 'none of your business' idea. As muslims increase in number in non-muslim land and as more and more women walk around covered up, pressure is put on non-muslim women to blend in. If they do not and walk around brazenly showing off their....wait for it....HAIR......they might well get stalked, asked for paid sex and even raped as punishment. That is, of course, mostly in muslim areas but those muslim areas are still (JUST) classed as part of their host countries and should therefore adhere to the liberal norms of the mother society. Unfortunately, they do not.

So, while little Miss Headscarf gets her narcissistic supply from pity plays and a sense of superior piousness the poor sods (non-muslim women in muslim areas) suffer. Of course, those 'things' are not very exotic and are not very good at generating people's pity and sympathy so are often overlooked or not even known of at all. Well, let's face it, how often do you find a woman trying to get sympathy on a forum for the abuse she experienced in a muslim area? How many would get any? What abuse has Miss Headscarf suffered in order to encourage her to try to gain our pity here? Bad looks? Well, didums. Be grateful you didn't fear for your life every time you left the house.

So Miss Headscarf, wherever you are.....please respond to my earlier comment. What do you think to this unavoidable consequence of you and your sisters' show of 'spirituality' towards your volcano god? Do you even know about it? Do you care? Do you do anything to prevent it? Do you do anything to highlight it within your community?

www.youtube.com...

Your post was all about you. However, what you do affects other women. Your thoughts please.
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