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Most egregious of all is Carters use of the word apartheid and other terms associated with it. He fails to describe the apartheid system in south africa, which does not remotely resemble Israel - the pervasive racial segregation laws; the censorship of the media; the banning of political parties; the torture and murder of human rights activists in detention; the indoctrination of children with racial ideology; the removal of voting rights from the blacks; the use of death penalty for political crimes; and so on. His omission is obviously willful, because any accurate description of real apartheid would make it clear to the reader that the word applies far more precisely to Palestinian governance than to Israeli governance, even on the west bank
There is a legal definition of genocide and Darfur does not meet that legal standard. The atrocities wre horrible but I do not think it qualifies to be called genocide - Jimmy Carter
Israel is not an apartheid state...Arab citizens of Israel can vote and serve in the knesset; black South Africans could not vote until 1994. There are no laws in Israel that discriminate against Arab citizens or separate them from Jews....South Africa had a job reservation policy for white people; Israel has adopted pro-Arab affirmative action measures in some sectors. Israeli schools, universities and hospitals make no distinction between Jews and Arabs. An Arab citizen who brings a case before Israeli court will have that case decided on the basis of merits, not ethnicity. This was never the case for blacks under apartheid.
The apartheid analogy is not the only analogy Carter abuses. When he was asked by by Chris Matthews in a live television interview whether he believed that Israel's "persecution" of Palestinians was "even worse.... than a place like Rwanda", Carter answered, " Yes. I think - yes". The comparison is obscene. Nearly one million civilians were murdered in a matter of weeks during the Rwandan genocide. The number of Israelis and Palestinians killed during any comparable period of time has, at worst, been in the hundreds, nearly all the result of Palestinian terrorism and Israeli efforts to stop it. The Rwandan victims never had a chance to prevent the killing. In contrast, the Palestinians have repeatedly chosen violence instead of negotiations and have refused to sign or honor any peace deal, from the generous terms of the Peel commission in 1937 until the present day. To compare Rwanda to Israel is insulting not only to Israel, but to the memory of the Rwandan victims, who were brutally raped, tortured, mutilated, and murdered by soldiers and machete wielding militias. and civilians in what can only be described as a genocide.
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by auraelium
Did you not read the post?
For one, Israel doesn't govern in the "occupied territories"; they withdrew from 5 major population centers in the west bank in 1995 and completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. They maintain a presence primarily in settlement areas, on the highways between settlement areas (and for the sake of security, they often stop Arabs, who throw rocks or fire bombs at cars driving by) and on the hilltops adjacent to Israel.
Now HOW ON EARTH is this apartheid? You insult south African blacks by using that term. And you also expose you ignorance by not knowing a simple thing either about Israel or Apartheid South Africa.
So Jimmy Carter has often been thought of as a good guy. He certainly makes an effort to give that impression,
Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by dontreally
it's like trying to get some sense into a kid lying down on a Kmart floor, screaming and waving his feet for not getting his Hershey bar.
Israel is not an Apartheid state....”Yeah, but remember the USS Liberty”
Muslims kills more of their own in one week than in any Israel-Arab conflicts combined.....” Yeah, but remember the 5 dancing Israelis”.
Over 5 millions were killed in the Congo war....."Yeah, but Israel, Evil, genocide"
There was a time I thought that the only way this terrorists sympathizers will learn, is if they or they loved ones are hit by terrorists.
Today I know, no matter what, they would put the blame on Israel/US/Mossad/Zionists/Rothschild
In the last few years, and especially during the reign of the Labour Party, Israel showed that it was not even willing to return what it occupied in 1967; that settlements remain, Jerusalem would be under exclusive Israeli sovereignty, and Palestinians would not have an independent state, but would be under Israeli economic domination with Israeli control of borders, land, air, water and sea.
Israel was not thinking of a "state" but of "separation". The value of separation is measured in terms of the ability of Israel to keep the Jewish state Jewish, and not to have a Palestinian minority that could have the opportunity to become a majority at some time in the future. If this takes place, it would force Israel to either become a secular democratic or bi-national state, or to turn into a state of apartheid not only de facto, but also de jure.
"The Case against Israel's Enemies"
Is there any "Israeli's only" shops, seperate lines at shops for the different races, does non Israeli's have to carry a "pass book" at all times otherwise they get locked up, is there areas disignated only for non Israelis, the list goes on and on.