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Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record


www.rollcall.com

In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.
The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.
The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Iss
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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I guess that because the wire taps are under court order, we will probably never be privy to who was tapped, why they were tapped and what conversations are in the recordings.
Looks like Issa has a lot stronger case than some people thought, which may have been why there were so many walkouts during the contempt hearing.
Nobody wanted to appear to have supported Holder, when his time is finally up


Btw, the link took a while to load for me.

www.rollcall.com
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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"Sadly, it looks like Mr. Issa is continuing his string of desperate and unsubstantiated claims, while hiding key information from the very same documents," a Democratic committee staffer said. "His actions demonstrate a lack of concern for the facts, as well as a reckless disregard for our nation’s courts and federal prosecutors who are trying to bring criminals to justice. We’re not going to stoop to his level. Obviously, we are going to honor the court’s seal and the prosecutors’ requests. But if Mr. Issa won’t tell you what he is hiding from the wiretaps, you should ask him why."


We should ask this democratic staffer if he has read the detail of the wiretap.

The taps were not part of the original plan, but were pursued AFTER the prosecutors refused to accept any evidence as sufficient to act.

"... disregard for our nation’s courts and federal prosecutors who are trying to bring criminals to justice. We’re not going to stoop to his level. Obviously, we are going to honor the court’s seal and the prosecutors’ requests."

The NERVE of this political thespian... It was the intransigence of the Federal Prosecutor (and his office) and the entrenched institutional b/s that are responsible for the death of Agent terry...

The prosecutor can be said to have been doing MANY things... but "trying to bring criminals to justice" was NOT among them..... note how the author fails to mention the prosecutor has since resigned and is now under a gag order not to discuss the matter publicly....

it might interfere with the narrative these politicians are crafting....

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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I had a birthday waiting for that link.

Any quotes would be appreciated...



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by whyamIhere
I had a birthday waiting for that link.

Any quotes would be appreciated...


I know right. Its either on a crappy connection or its just being flooded by visitors. I accidentally closed it but Im reloading it right now.

Here are a couple of paragraphs from another site.

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According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used. Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy. The wiretap applications were signed by senior DOJ officials in the department’s criminal division, including Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco and another official who is now deceased.

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Something is going on with the site itself, the server is pinging decently.

D:\Users\Rob>ping www.rollcall.com

Pinging www.rollcall.com [173.227.222.164] with 32 byte
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=242
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=57ms TTL=242
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=242
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=242

And no lost packets


Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0%
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 57ms, Maximum = 78ms, Average = 63ms



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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So were the wiretaps on the "straw aellers" or were they on the guys that sold the weapons to the guys that got aquitted?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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double posted for some reason

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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It finally loaded for me, here is a rather large quote from the page that gives a few more details.


While Issa has since said he has obtained a number of wiretap applications, the letter only refers to one, from March 15, 2010. The full application is not included in what Issa entered into the Congressional Record, and names are obscured in Issa’s letter. In the application, ATF agents included transcripts from a wiretap intercept from a previous Drug Enforcement Administration investigation that demonstrated the suspects were part of a gun-smuggling ring.

“The wiretap affidavit details that agents were well aware that large sums of money were being used to purchase a large number of firearms, many of which were flowing across the border,” the letter says. The application included details such as how many guns specific suspects had purchased via straw purchasers and how many of those guns had been recovered in Mexico.

It also described how ATF officials watched guns bought by suspected straw purchasers but then ended their surveillance without interdicting the guns. In at least one instance, the guns were recovered at a police stop at the U.S.-Mexico border the next day. The application included financial details for four suspected straw purchasers showing they had purchased $373,000 worth of guns in cash but reported almost no income for the previous year, the letter says.

“Although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. Upon learning these details through its review of this wiretap affidavit, senior Justice Department officials had a duty to stop this operation. Further, failure to do so was a violation of Justice Department policy,” the letter says.

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by openeyeswideshut
So were the wiretaps on the "straw aellers" or were they on the guys that sold the weapons to the guys that got aquitted?



The taps were on the "straw man" buyers - the prosecutor refused to bring charges unless the ATF could prove that the weapons were destined for "criminal use" ... the only way to do that - and not lose years of time, was to wiretap the buyers arrangement after the sale happened.

Details? (Can you handle the truth?
) www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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...“Although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. ...


The ATF requested permission to make arrest and was denied by the federal prosecutor..... it's amazing how the media keeps neglecting to make that point known....

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Juggernog
Something is going on with the site itself, the server is pinging decently.

D:\Users\Rob>ping www.rollcall.com

Pinging www.rollcall.com [173.227.222.164] with 32 byte
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=78ms TTL=242
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=57ms TTL=242
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=242
Reply from 173.227.222.164: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=242

And no lost packets


Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0%
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 57ms, Maximum = 78ms, Average = 63ms


I am sure Napolitano or the White house have put the Hit on the website to shut it down in order to limit exposure to this damning news!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Holder, the chains and the jail cell are waiting for you.

Next step????????



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Juggernog
 



...“Although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. ...


The ATF requested permission to make arrest and was denied by the federal prosecutor..... it's amazing how the media keeps neglecting to make that point known....

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Yea but werent higher levels of ATF agents involved in the cover up, who were then promoted, AFTER the whistleblower reported this case, who was later fired?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars

The taps were on the "straw man" buyers - the prosecutor refused to bring charges unless the ATF could prove that the weapons were destined for "criminal use" ... the only way to do that - and not lose years of time, was to wiretap the buyers arrangement after the sale happened.

Details? (Can you handle the truth?
) www.abovetopsecret.com...
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So what good does wiretapping do AFTER the sale happened... almost seems like a way to garuntee an aquittal. Don't they need the people acctually saying that they were buying the weapons to get a prosecution out of something like this?

Ps No matter how much guilt, hurt, or suffering the truth may bring, I believe it is always worth being told



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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The link isn't working for me but I found this one.

www.washingtontimes.com...

I believe its the same thing.

So higher ups had to approve the wiretapping for the gun walking. They were in the know then.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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I think that most people forget or never knew, is that when this first came to light, Holder was questioned by Congress, where he denied all knowledge of F&F.
Then later on, emails surfaced that showed that he did know about this, this is where his troubles began, lying to congess.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Juggernog
 



...“Although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. ...


The ATF requested permission to make arrest and was denied by the federal prosecutor..... it's amazing how the media keeps neglecting to make that point known....

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So why has no one takin steps to try and do this first instead of having the case on holder open first? Wouldn't this give better evidence to open up the case?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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How did congress origionally find out about F&F?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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An ATF whistelblower came forward, he was later fired.

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Watchdogs are examining whether anyone at the Justice Department improperly released internal correspondence to try to smear ATF agent John Dodson, who told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee last month that he repeatedly warned supervisors about what he called a reckless law enforcement operation known as "Fast and Furious."




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