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Originally posted by Der Kapitan
If you profess or practice to violate the rights of another human you forfeit your own rights. I feel it should be that way. Enough protecting the evil #@#$%$#@ who use the constitution to promote hate. Nuff said.
Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
The actual point is that the KKK has all the makings in my opinion, of a Secret Society.
Anyway, unless someone objects strongly...I plan to take this thread out to the wood shed and put it out of it's misery.
Originally posted by The illuminati
So you know of the Rahl family. Interesting. we need to talk .
Originally posted by Nygdan
The freemasons have secret membership and secret rituals, but no one's ever demonstrated that they have a hidden agenda that they try to keep secret, and their meeting places are plainly visible, and they even allow outsiders to attend parts of their meetings.
Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Freemasonry does not have "secret membership", nor are the Rituals secret (nor have they been, there are several books that reveal the Ritual that are quite old).
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Freemasonry does not have "secret membership", nor are the Rituals secret (nor have they been, there are several books that reveal the Ritual that are quite old).
But still, I cannot go to amazon.com and purchase an 'official' (ignoring that there is no authority to deem a particular ritual official, but I think my jist is clear) 'Handbook of Masonic Rituals' and a particular chapter/lodge wouldn't normally publish the minutes off all their meetings or videos of their rituals.
And while members may state 'I am a mason' and some public figures are known to be masons (ie washington etc etc), the lodges don't publish membership lists or wouldn't give them to someone who asked no? I mean, the Freemasons aren't a 'secret', everyone knows that they exist ( at least peolpe who care to know), but the lodges don't confirm these sorts of things no?
In fact, isn't that part of the 'meaning' of the rituals and whatnot, that there is secrecy, a certain 'in'-ness too it?
After all, initiation would be meaningless if it were in theory completely open to the public, even if in practicallity anyone who researched it could find out some of the symbolism and 'gnosis'. Or am I mistaken?
Originally posted by theron dunn
No, you are mistaken. In part, the ritual creates a comaraderie, a cohesiveness, a sense of belonging, it teaches, it unites, it binds... the fact is, you can read the ritual until you are blue in the face and your eyes start to water, but until you have become a part of the group, in your heart, not just by standing in a place and mouthing some words, you will NEVER understand what it is to be a mason.
The gnosis, the light, the education, the secrets of a mason are, to quote a part of the ritual stored in the repository of the faithful breast, and cannot be communicated, truly, solely by words or solely by reading, but by experience.
Originally posted by theron dunn
I am confused. Do you think we SHOULD?
Do you really think that non members have any right to even ask
asking, since the clear implication in your post is that you should be able to have at these things
. that[the secret/initiated aspect] is not implied, stated, or really, felt by any mason that I know.
After all, initiation would be meaningless if it were in theory completely open to the public, even if in practicallity anyone who researched it could find out some of the symbolism and 'gnosis'. Or am I mistaken?
The gnosis, the light, the education, the secrets of a mason are, to quote a part of the ritual stored in the repository of the faithful breast, and cannot be communicated, truly, solely by words or solely by reading, but by experience.
originally Posted by Nygdan
Originally Posted by Theron Dunn...that[the secret/initiated aspect] is not implied, stated, or really, felt by any mason that I know.
Really? I don't understand, then why maintain any secrecy? If you don't mind my asking?
originally Posted by Nygdan
After all, initiation would be meaningless if it were in theory completely open to the public, even if in practicallity anyone who researched it could find out some of the symbolism and 'gnosis'. Or am I mistaken?
originally Posted by Theron Dunn
The gnosis, the light, the education, the secrets of a mason are, to quote a part of the ritual stored in the repository of the faithful breast, and cannot be communicated, truly, solely by words or solely by reading, but by experience.
originally Posted by Nygdan
Interesting. And the secret aspect plays no roll in this? Seems like it should. Or does an initiate know the entire ritual before if occurs? I know you already said it doesn't, but, then, whats the rational for not making it public? I mean, of course there is no impetus on the masons to do this, but, for example, the Boy Scouts have all their 'rituals' open to the public, and most religions also make these things public. Why make it secret if there is no value to it?
originally Posted by Nygdan
Having said that, there is 'secrecy' that is sinister, like that of the KKK, and there is secrecy that is, well, generally privacy and 'what business of it is yours anyway' or 'I'm going to be secretive to make the point that I shouldn't have to be public anyways' type, which i guess is that of freemasonry. I had thought that there was more to it tho than that tho.
Originally posted by apw100
Back to the subject... the KKK isnt a secret society.
Hope you have a credit card handy.
Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
Originally posted by Dr Mengele
The White race has crossed seas, harnessed rivers, carved mountains, tamed deserts, and colonized the most barren icefields. It has been responsible for the invention of the printing press, cement, the harnessing of electricity, flight, rocketry, astronomy, the telescope, space travel, firearms, the transistor, radio, television, the telephone, the lightbulb, photography, motion pictures, the phonograph, the electric battery, the automobile, the steam engine, railroad transportation, the microscope, computers, and millions of other technological miracles. It has discovered countless medical advances, incredible applications, scientific progress, etc. Its members have included such greats as Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Homer, Tacitus, Julius Ceaser, Napoleon, William the Conqueror, Marco Polo, Washington, Jefferson, Hitler, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Magellan, Columbus, Cabot, Edison, GrahamBell, Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek, Mendel, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Watt, Ford, Luther, Devinci, Poe, Tennyson, and thousands upon thousands of other notable achievers.
You could look up a great many inventions here: www.blackinventor.com...
That doesn't even include all the other races, for example the Chinese invented gun powder, etc, etc.
Now, why, as a white man, should I be ashamed of my skin, culture & heritage?
Nobody said you should.
We put clothes on a black mans back, we give him his home, food, education, welfare. We have given the black race a chance to contribute to society. What have they contributed? Crime, drugs and other atrocities.
You say your not racist. I say you are not being truthful. We gave them clothes? Nope, sorry. We gave them a home, food, and education? Wrong again. We gave them exactly what they deserved as humans, just like anyone else. As for the contributions...you think white people don't do any of those things?
Is it not time for the black race to move on and perhaps THANK the white man for giving him a chance to live in this great country? To THANK the white man for giving him the chance to learn, and contribute to society? If it's so bad for them to live here, why don't they move back to africa?
Thank whites for killing their family and dragging them over here? For being so kind as to offer knowledge? Funny stuff from a non-racist. BTW, this was indian land. Why don't you move back to Europe?
Now don't get me wrong, I am not racist. I am not shallow enough to judge someone by the color of their skin. I judge someone on what they have contributed to society. A drug dealer does not gain my respect. A theif, murderer or race traitor does not gain my respect.
Another racial statement. You assume all blacks are drug dealers? And how does race-traitor get in there? Is that a white person that doesn't join your klub?
Yep! Far more twisted and evil than any allegation I have heard about Masons.
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