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Should the United States dissolve the states and become the "American Union" (or other name)?

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Alright ATS, as you all know we see many threads and posts about states rights vs. the US federal government here on the site.

We see threads about Texas thinking of seccession and a myriad of other postings regarding similar thoughts in others states.

Seeing as the controversial upholding of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) has quite a few people fighting mad, I found myself asking the question "Is it possible that the federal government could abolish state legislatures and lines and simply make the United States become the nation of America?"

Quite unlikely, I know, but with recent federal vs. state issues that have arisen is this a possibility we should consider? Would it be possible? Legal? Practical?

Thanks for your thoughts and input.
edit on 29-6-2012 by Dreine because: semantics




posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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That would be the death of "America" and the idea of America. Bad idea.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by Advantage
That would be the death of "America" and the idea of America. Bad idea.


I agree. The Founding Fathers understood this, hence the wording of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The states are pretty much nations of their own, each with unique histories, cultures, etc.

I just can't help but wonder if there aren't higher ranking people in Washington, D.C., who are trying to completely trivialize the power of the states.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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the continent is already called America



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Dreine

Originally posted by Advantage
That would be the death of "America" and the idea of America. Bad idea.


I agree. The Founding Fathers understood this, hence the wording of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The states are pretty much nations of their own, each with unique histories, cultures, etc.

I just can't help but wonder if there aren't higher ranking people in Washington, D.C., who are trying to completely trivialize the power of the states.


Well thats where the NAU comes in.
We just arent the US of A anymore.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Yeah it's already North America.




posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Dreine

Seeing as the controversial upholding of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) has quite a few people fighting mad, I found myself asking the question "Is it possible that the federal government could abolish state legislatures and lines and simply make the United States become the nation of America?"

Quite unlikely, I know, but with recent federal vs. state issues that have arisen is this a possibility we should consider? Would it be possible? Legal? Practical?


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Yes we should consider that eventually the federal government will try this.

Is it possible - given the current administration, I'd have to say yes.

Is it legal - absolutely not - but since when did the current administration care about that?

Practical? No, the state and local run entities like road maintenance would now be the responsibility of the federal government - we all know how well that will work.

To stop this from happening, vote out the politicians who have been making lawless regulations and edits.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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The United States is exactly that, united states. Each State is its own sovereign nation and those nations agree to cooperate and act within the restraints of basically a treaty called The Constitution of The United States of America. So, no, the federal government has no authority whatsoever to dissolve the government of a sovereign nation and those nations (states) have every right to leave the union of states.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Zeta Reticulan
the continent is already called America


Actually, the continent is called "North America", and CANADA refuses to join the United States under one flag in ANY circumstance.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Alright, since some of you have pointed out the continent is named "North America", I will endeavor to change the name to something more fitting...

Like "American Union" or somesuch... is that better?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Nations and states are obsolete constructs held over from an ancient world full of fear and greed.

What should happen, what will inevitably happen, is all bodies assuming control over any individual will dissolve. Not out of some altruistic epiphany but out of the simple fact that artificial control over a thing, any thing, is impossible to maintain.

The United States of America and every state under it will cease to exist and so will every nation for they have no natural reason to exist.
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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In reality states are only lines on a map, words on a piece of paper. Geographically there is no states only north america.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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This here is my society, please join us

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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The sentiment is the same

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Nations and states are obsolete constructs held over from an ancient world full of fear and greed.

What should happen, what will inevitably happen, is all bodies assuming control over any individual will dissolve. Not out of some altruistic epiphany but out of the simple fact that artificial control over a thing, any thing, is impossible to maintain.





I disagree. People are easy to control. They obey for positive reward (societal mores, money, nationalism, etc) or negative reward (kill them, imprison them, steal their property, etc). All of these things are enhanced with a steady drumbeat of propaganda.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the CIA had a behavioral program that could switch people on and off like a toaster. One young lady was handed an unloaded revolver and told to kill herself. She tried to comply.

Back to the theme of this thread -- the dissolution of the states. The further government is located from the people, the more out-of-control it becomes. The perfect poster boy for this lost-n-space orientation is when Obama recently said "The private sector is fine". It would make infinitely more sense to dissolve the Federal Government and let the states rule by loose confederation, totally eliminating political power based on interstate commerce.

Also, more than a few reports are showing that some states are as out-of-control as the federals. Those states should be disbanded and reorganized.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Ok, First I would like to say I don't mean any disrespect. But from my point of view it seems to me that when the country was founded, they should of found an actual name for your country. Since we live on the continent of North America and there is also South America, don't you find it a little arrogant or maybe a little lazy that the founding fathers named the country The United States of America. To me it sound like a "No Name" Country. Like saying the United Provinces of America.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by XLR8R
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Ok, First I would like to say I don't mean any disrespect. But from my point of view it seems to me that when the country was founded, they should of found an actual name for your country. Since we live on the continent of North America and there is also South America, don't you find it a little arrogant or maybe a little lazy that the founding fathers named the country The United States of America. To me it sound like a "No Name" Country. Like saying the United Provinces of America.


In our current status the name fits well, I believe. Were the states to no longer exist, however... we'd look pretty silly.


I also think that when the nation was formed the Founding Fathers were more worried about keeping their heads attached to their bodies rather than what to call the country.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Don't even give the feds that idea. As out of control as the federal government is now, the power hungry lunatics in DC would just love to implement something like this. Then they would be free to force whatever tyrannical ideals they wanted upon us without the safeguards of states rights. I'm sure the elitist SOB's in DC would love to have a United Socialist America instead of 50 states united to form one federal government.

The whole idea of the founding of our federal government was that it was meant to be a republic formed by the 50 individual states with the sole purpose of securing each individual states rights under the protection of many united states. The hypothetical scenario that youhave put forth is exactly what the power hungry lunatics in DC are seeking to accomplish.

The day that we lose our sovereign states rights and are forced under an authoritative totalitarian federal government is the day that America will cease to exist.

I have a better idea, lets have all the states declare themselves to be sovereign and sucede from the union completely, tell the feds to go pound sand and designated the entire District of Columbia a national hospital for the mentally handicapped, after all, its already full of wack jobs and nut cases.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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It would make infinitely more sense to dissolve the Federal Government and let the states rule by loose confederation, totally eliminating political power based on interstate commerce.


Yes.

www.earlyamerica.com... Articles of Confederation.

The AoC didn't give the elites enough centralized power, so it was overwritten. Then when the new constitution still didn't give the elites as much centralized power as they wanted they overwrote that one, too, with the 14th amendment putting all citizens directly "under the jurisdiction of the central government", for all intents and purposes erasing the state boundaries. Then the 14th was followed shortly thereafter by the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th amendment. That was the end of the experiment in liberty. And to this day it has never been "enough" for the power hungry elite, so they keep overwriting and undermining what they still loosely called the "rule of law". The amazing thing is that its not hard at all to find people who believe they did all this "for our own good". Beam me up Scotty.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Nucleardiver
Don't even give the feds that idea. As out of control as the federal government is now, the power hungry lunatics in DC would just love to implement something like this. Then they would be free to force whatever tyrannical ideals they wanted upon us without the safeguards of states rights. I'm sure the elitist SOB's in DC would love to have a United Socialist America instead of 50 states united to form one federal government.

The whole idea of the founding of our federal government was that it was meant to be a republic formed by the 50 individual states with the sole purpose of securing each individual states rights under the protection of many united states. The hypothetical scenario that youhave put forth is exactly what the power hungry lunatics in DC are seeking to accomplish.

The day that we lose our sovereign states rights and are forced under an authoritative totalitarian federal government is the day that America will cease to exist.

I have a better idea, lets have all the states declare themselves to be sovereign and sucede from the union completely, tell the feds to go pound sand and designated the entire District of Columbia a national hospital for the mentally handicapped, after all, its already full of wack jobs and nut cases.


Well spoken and I agree completely.

Like I said, seeing as how overbearing the federal government has become recently I would not doubt for one instant that there are those in power who would love to rid themselves of the 'inconvenience" of states' rights.



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