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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by jutes
You have no idea what you're talking about. Just because it's not free, it sucks?
American hospitals will give top of the line care to anybody, it is against every rule to turn someone down because they can not pay. You literally can not do it.
As another poster said, insurance isn't very expensive. I work at Walgreens, as an underling, and pay for my own every month. It's not the easiest, but I manage.
You people who are talking about how terrible it is over here have absolutely no clue. Either that or you're just disingenuous liars. Simple as that.
The other, main, reason we don't want this is because it lets the government tax you for not owning something. This is a completely new precedent for us and we don't generally like that.
Say, I own a chevy but the government owns the Ford Motors Company. The Government can now, in theory, tax me because I don't own a Ford. They can effectively fine me for not having what they like. This is a picture of the death of freedom. Enjoy it and shut up.
Americans don't want this bill for many reasons. Nobody is being denied healthcare in the absence of this bill. This will do nothing but make care more difficult to get for many people, and make prices rise.
There are thousands of pages of pork in this bill. Quite literally. It's complete B.S. and people know it.
edit on 29-6-2012 by Mr Headshot because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?
How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?
Just saying.
Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by jhn7537
Uh....did you read what I wrote?
The five-justice majority argued that, while the fine imposed by the law for not buying health insurance would otherwise be unconstitutional, the fine is actually legal under Congress' authority to tax.
Ergo, the fine is officially a "tax" in the eyes of the court. The law stands.
But in a case of biting the hand that feeds, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Friday the fine is still just a "penalty."
Calling it a "tax" causes obvious political problems for the White House. Obama fought that label vigorously when selling the bill in 2009.
Originally posted by jhn7537
Is there any and I mean any chance that this gets repealed??
Originally posted by beezzer
If I may chime in. . . .
The ACA (Affordible Care Act) or Obamacare is an attempt to take the responsibility of the individual and place it in the hands of the government.
Healthcare is not a right.
It is a personal responsibility left to the individual.
How much salt, bacon, scotch, nicotine, soda, Big Macs. . . I put in my body is up to me.
Not the government.
Yet the government has taken the onus upon themselves to determine our own measure of healthcare.
Individuality is hardwired into the american soul. Yet this "Law" takes away our individual right to self-determination.edit on 29-6-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by michael1983lHow can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxesobe?
Originally posted by michael1983l
That is where you are so wrong, healthcare is a right, just as the ability to breathe air is. Why would healthcare not be a right? Why would you not want to practice life preservation wherever possible? Is life that cheap to you that it has a pricetag?
To be honest I am flabberghasted by that comment, I never really knew that capitalism could make people regard life so cheaply.
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by beezzer
If I may chime in. . . .
The ACA (Affordible Care Act) or Obamacare is an attempt to take the responsibility of the individual and place it in the hands of the government.
Healthcare is not a right.
It is a personal responsibility left to the individual.
How much salt, bacon, scotch, nicotine, soda, Big Macs. . . I put in my body is up to me.
Not the government.
Yet the government has taken the onus upon themselves to determine our own measure of healthcare.
Individuality is hardwired into the american soul. Yet this "Law" takes away our individual right to self-determination.edit on 29-6-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)
That is where you are so wrong, healthcare is a right, just as the ability to breathe air is. Why would healthcare not be a right? Why would you not want to practice life preservation wherever possible? Is life that cheap to you that it has a pricetag?
To be honest I am flabberghasted by that comment, I never really knew that capitalism could make people regard life so cheaply.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by michael1983l
That is where you are so wrong, healthcare is a right, just as the ability to breathe air is. Why would healthcare not be a right? Why would you not want to practice life preservation wherever possible? Is life that cheap to you that it has a pricetag?
To be honest I am flabberghasted by that comment, I never really knew that capitalism could make people regard life so cheaply.
Healthcare is not up to the government to grant or allow.
It is up to the individual.
Your argument would have the government determining what we can eat, drink, put in our bodies.
Your argument precludes the fact that our bodies are not ours, but instead, are property of the state.
Your "fail" reeks epically.
Originally posted by michael1983l
My argument is nothing to do with the Government telling you what you can or cannot do. A national insurance type tax for healthcare is not uncommon, in fact it is common in developed countries. Having healthcare available to ALL is something to be proud of, not something to moan about.