Why are Americans prodominantly against Obamacare?

reply to post by TheTardis


Why should having healthcare be tied to having a job?

Is that freedom?

What if someone choose to be a independent contractor or very small business owner? Where is this person supposed to obtain healthcare?

For that reason alone, I would like to see our healthcare system tore down and rebuilt.

reply to post by michael1983l


People don't think for themselves. They trust untrustworthy sources (all televised media). They become impassioned by emotionally charged propaganda. They are enraged by fabricated conflicts. They swallow whole, ideas that have no foundation because the memes have been engrained in our society for years.
They gravitate only to the ideas that match the ideology of their cult, seeking only to prove themselves right, not to find the truth. But most of all, they are totally clueless and believe the first thing they hear that sounds okay or don't pay attention at all and vote for the guy with the best sounding name.

If people thought things through and used this great tool we now have called the Internet and researched things for themselves, we wouldn't even have an argument over Obama care. The whole thing is a ridiculous mess of pure political fighting. The Heritage foundation ( a republican think tank) came up with the idea of the personal mandate and Mitt pushed almost identical legislation in Mass (Romneycare). They are just doing anything in their power to hurt Obama reelection. It's really a big joke.

reply to post by TheTardis


So........having access to healthcare is tied to a person having a job?

Does that not sound like slavery?

People are brainwashed and don't even realize it!

reply to post by FissionSurplus


It was necessary to take this long route, where insurance companies will benefit in the short-term, because if he went directly to a single payor...........OMG.....imagine the fuss we would be having now!

We have people ready to riot now over this reform, imagine if it was 100% single-payer?

You ever try to give your dog medicine it needs to live? You can't just hand it a pill and that's that. You have to slide it in a treat or its food.

Most of the people are so dumb and brainwashed they have to slipped medicine...

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by METACOMET

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
I have tried to read the actual bill. Unfortunately, I can't get past the legalese so it's pretty much impossible for me to read and understand it.

But you do understand that our healthcare has been turned over to a centralized gaggle of eugenicists, social engineers and self serving busybodies who exempted themselves from the very law they have forced upon the people?

They have managed to make all of us, including our progeny, into debt slaves by accumulating over $135,000,000,000,000 TRILLION in debt... for our own good, of course. Now that healthcare is in the hands of bureaucrats who only have the best of intentions, what could possibly go wrong?

The American dream has been turned on its head and is now the endeavor of living at the expense of everybody else. I see my countrymen agreeing to their own destruction.

edit on 29-6-2012 by METACOMET because: (no reason given)

Even worse, we have turned over our healthcare to the very same type of people who run the department of motor vehicles.

Yes they run the DMV, but they also run America. Is there any country in the world better than America?

There's a argument that everything the government touches turns to poo, which isn't true. When the desire is there, and there aren't moles mucking up the lawn, our programs run the best in the world.

reply to post by michael1983l


Its not that simple by a long shot. If that's the level that you are going to think about the problem, fine, but you're not going to get much traction other than shouting matches back and forth, if you try to start a debate. Both sides want people to be healthy and get the care they need. Its about how we get there. Same as with every other disagreement with every other political system in the world. There are no black hat villains.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by TheTardis

 

Why should having healthcare be tied to having a job?

Is that freedom?

What if someone choose to be a independent contractor or very small business owner? Where is this person supposed to obtain healthcare?

For that reason alone, I would like to see our healthcare system tore down and rebuilt.

I am a small business owner. I have insurance.

Do you wait for your employer to purchase you car insurance for you?
No? Same way with health insurance.
You call Blue Cross Blue Shield pay them some money and walla you have health insurance..

THIS ARGUMENT HOLDS NO WEIGHT

The bill is horrible and raises debt. Source straight from the senate budget committee.. budget.senate.gov...

I am so sick of the army of pro Obamacare propaganda.

reply to post by michael1983l


Because people shouldn't be FORCED to do anything by ANY government, or other people, no matter how good of a cause you or the government think it is...

People should be FREE to decide whether they want to have health insurance or not, and about those people who REALLY can't buy health insurance it would be better if a charity type of aid was set up allowing for people to decide how much they want, and if they can give FREELY to help those people who are TRULY not able to pay for health insurance.

There are way too many people taking advantage of healthcare as it is.

Originally posted by jutes

yeah being a non-american i thought y'll would be pleased
since you healthcare sterotypically sucks
..just saying thats all :S

Really? like the nationalized healthcare in ANY country was so perfect... I have heard people, not only from news stories, but personal accounts of the nightmares of "nationalized healthcare"... I also lived in a country, Spain, under nationalized healthcare for 9 years and it sucked as much if not more than the American healthcare system.

Many nations that have "nationalized healthcare" are bankrupt, and in great part it is because of nationalized healthcare and other similar scheme where people are dependent of the government or of banks to live.

reply to post by yellowsnow


Oh you wait, soon enough certain people are going to be demanding that they should be given free housing, free car insurance, and all types of insurance for free and even free cars/transportation...

After all you need a car/transportation to go to work, or even to go to the hospital and you need to live somewhere right?...

Too many people now-a-days have become complacent and LAZY, and want everything free...

You will see, soon enough some governments are going to start giving away cell like housing, through the UN Agenda 21 and these lazy people are going to love it...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I hate to tell you, but its already here.

Section 8 housing, food stamps, welfare, auto rebates, electric bill rebates, gas rebates, natural gas rebates, list goes on and one. What I typed is real, all of it.

Being a Canadian...

...and married to someone working in the travel insurance industry who deals with American hospitals all the time, I can safely say that all insured Americans are part of a repugnant racket between insurance companies and healthcare institutions. (hospitals)

I will explain;
You're insured. Let's say you have a medical issue; we'll say...cardiac arrest. You go to the hospital, have various scans performed on your heart, consultations with specialists and eventually admitted as a patient for let's say...5 days. Reasonable enough....?

After all is said and done, you recieve a statement of the bill which your insurance recieves as well stating an amount of, let's say...$75,000.

Now, this is where the fun starts...

Your insurance company, specifically someone called a "claims negotiator" contacts the hospital where you were admitted. They say (probably in a more eloquent way that I could); "...$75,000?...Nope, we're not paying that. We'll give you $5,000 and we'll direct all our policy holders in your area to your facility in the future,... Deal?."

These conditions are always accepted.

Now, policy holders of that insurance company will be directed to this specific hospital where, when admitted they'll recieve a battery of scans and tests and endless consultations with specialist after specialist who recommend this scan and that test; all in the name of good heathcare service. The patient believes they're being attended to with the utmost of care. This is just a front.

Every time you're poked and prodded adds more digits to the bill.

This is the whole point to your healthcare. Once they get you in, they look for other health issues you may have. (Hoping that they find something,) just to keep the money trickling in. Because the money doesn't come in huge amounts from insurance companies as the layman would tend to believe.

Only those unfortunate saps without insurance in this case would be stuck with the full bill of $75,000...non-negotiable. This is because they are powerless and have nothing to offer.

I believe public healthcare is needed in the U.S.but unfortunately, Obamacare was just bad timing. There are more pressing issues to be resolved prior to introducing such a monumental change in the country.

On another note; perhaps public healthcare would be feasible in the U.S. if less tax money was being funneled into wars, weapons and overseas watch-dogging where the money basically dissappears and more into public health where the benefits would be seen and be actually tangible to taxpayers. But this is way too obvious and has most likely been said my many...sorry for the redundancy.

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Maxatoria
The traditional american system is either you can afford it or its tough, if you cant afford healthcare then its tough you'll die unless someone feels generous (chairity)

Please provide me the stats that show people are denied treatment, due to non payment.

1. Poor people die all the time due to lack of medical care funds.
2. What is your point? If NO ONE gets turned away, someone is paying for that, right? Who do you think pays for it, even if you are right?

Originally posted by QuantifedInfinity

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by mrnotobc

 

that's probably the difference...you are right.

i'm going to be a well fed slave and you'll be a person with a very affordable coffin.

have a nice one.

O.K....

I see that you are for ObeyMeCare... Fine... your choice of course...

But the majority of people would rather have the chance to succeed or fail without the help of a nanny state, and dictator at the helm..

All you can do is kill me, you cannot (nor ever) Own me...

I'm not worried about this entire situation, it will not remain the way it is, as they are working hard to get us to revolt.. I can see that soon, that will happen...

Are you prepared to kill your own family members for revolting? (honest question no antagonism's intended) because many family members will not go peacefully with you, or with a squadron...

Hard choices will have to be made....

I'd like to think you will make the Constitutional one in the end?...

Ummm...you're already owned LOL!

Don't think so...

Can you tell your boss to kiss your azz?

You're on a plantation, only difference is the master gives you a few pennies so you're not technically working for free. So in your mind that makes you free?

Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.
Read more at www.brainyquote.com...
JFK was the only one that ran this country with good old Mob values, he wanted americans to work hard and keep his money in america,,,,, our puppets we have working for us now couldnt change thangs if they wanted to ,they wouldnt want to endup worm food.....

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by pierregustavetoutant

 

Obamacare has taken away your freedoms?

Please explain this statement in detail. Its been repeated often enough to deserve an in depth explanation; don't you agree?

as far as longevity...based on family history; i'll outlast most of you as if i'd live two of your lives at minimum. all those things you mentioned may kill you but i'll be fine.

nevertheless, isn't it fair that the world actually knows the specifics of your complaints...or are you happy that no one actually knows what you are talking about?

Hey, if a person chooses to roll the dice with their health than thats their choice, who the hell is the Govt. to pentalize someone for them choosing not to take health care?? Once upon a time ago in this country we had choices, nowadays the govt. wants to make those choices for us...

There should be a class-action lawsuit against the US Govt.... This is legalized extortion, this is total BS, and the people shouldnt stand for it...Obama is a freaking crook...

That's called progression, a necessity...

Once upon a time in my house I was allowed to watch whatever I want, not eat if I chose, and walk around naked. Then I got married and had kids...now I can't.

Is that not common sense for some people? What was good for this country in 1857 with a population of 8 million...is not good for 2012 with a population of 300 million.

reply to post by QuantifedInfinity


WTH are you talking about?

You sound like a soldier so you should be WELL versed with single payer healthcare?

We didn't mind it at all now did WE?

Originally posted by PULVERlZER
Being a Canadian...

...and married to someone working in the travel insurance industry who deals with American hospitals all the time, I can safely say that all insured Americans are part of a repugnant racket between insurance companies and healthcare institutions. (hospitals)

I will explain;
You're insured. Let's say you have a medical issue; we'll say...cardiac arrest. You go to the hospital, have various scans performed on your heart, consultations with specialists and eventually admitted as a patient for let's say...5 days. Reasonable enough....?

After all is said and done, you recieve a statement of the bill which your insurance recieves as well stating an amount of, let's say...$75,000.

Now, this is where the fun starts...

Your insurance company, specifically someone called a "claims negotiator" contacts the hospital where you were admitted. They say (probably in a more eloquent way that I could); "...$75,000?...Nope, we're not paying that. We'll give you $5,000 and we'll direct all our policy holders in your area to your facility in the future,... Deal?."

These conditions are always accepted.

Now, policy holders of that insurance company will be directed to this specific hospital where, when admitted they'll recieve a battery of scans and tests and endless consultations with specialist after specialist who recommend this scan and that test; all in the name of good heathcare service. The patient believes they're being attended to with the utmost of care. This is just a front.

Every time you're poked and prodded adds more digits to the bill.

This is the whole point to your healthcare. Once they get you in, they look for other health issues you may have. (Hoping that they find something,) just to keep the money trickling in. Because the money doesn't come in huge amounts from insurance companies as the layman would tend to believe.

Only those unfortunate saps without insurance in this case would be stuck with the full bill of $75,000...non-negotiable. This is because they are powerless and have nothing to offer.

I believe public healthcare is needed in the U.S.but unfortunately, Obamacare was just bad timing. There are more pressing issues to be resolved prior to introducing such a monumental change in the country.

On another note; perhaps public healthcare would be feasible in the U.S. if less tax money was being funneled into wars, weapons and overseas watch-dogging where the money basically dissappears and more into public health where the benefits would be seen and be actually tangible to taxpayers. But this is way too obvious and has most likely been said my many...sorry for the redundancy.

I am dumbfounded that people still think ANY part of this bill either is universal (public health care, or free healthcare) or ever will be. It is simply a government MANDATE that says either you buy it or we will tax you. Of course with other provisions that hurt small businesses. This is usually the problem with liberals and liberal-sided bills - the intent is awesome but they don't think through the details (we have to pass this bill in order to know what is in it - quote courtesy of Nancy "botox" Pelosi).

This is what makes people vote for conservatives, because too many times the government had the best intent but being what it is it never quite works out for everyone. And the alternative is, stay OUT of my life, I'm actually smart enough to make my own decisions. That's why a great many people are conservatives. It's too bad that "Big Religion" (bible thumpers) have highjacked the right because this holds us back in a big way. Way too much "the Bible tells us....." and not enough common sense!

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by METACOMET

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
I have tried to read the actual bill. Unfortunately, I can't get past the legalese so it's pretty much impossible for me to read and understand it.

But you do understand that our healthcare has been turned over to a centralized gaggle of eugenicists, social engineers and self serving busybodies who exempted themselves from the very law they have forced upon the people?

They have managed to make all of us, including our progeny, into debt slaves by accumulating over $135,000,000,000,000 TRILLION in debt... for our own good, of course. Now that healthcare is in the hands of bureaucrats who only have the best of intentions, what could possibly go wrong?

The American dream has been turned on its head and is now the endeavor of living at the expense of everybody else. I see my countrymen agreeing to their own destruction.

edit on 29-6-2012 by METACOMET because: (no reason given)

Even worse, we have turned over our healthcare to the very same type of people who run the department of motor vehicles.

Yes they run the DMV, but they also run America. Is there any country in the world better than America?

There's a argument that everything the government touches turns to poo, which isn't true. When the desire is there, and there aren't moles mucking up the lawn, our programs run the best in the world.

Yup unfortunately America doesn't lead the world in much of anything anymore except possibly obesity, Xboxes, Cheez-It consumption, and people who are too lazy to do for themselves anymore. That's leadership and leading in America 2012. Google any list dealing with financial position, life expectancy, education, etc - you will not find the US on the top of the list.

We are too busy ignoring crime, out of wedlock births, gay and trans-whatever marriage to deal with the real issues.

reply to post by michael1983l


In a FREE Society , No One or No Group has the RIGHT to FORCE their Fellow Citizens to Purchase a Product or Service Dictated Somehow by a Unjust or in this Case , Unconstitutional LAW ............................