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Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by RobinB022
actually no.
SurveyUSA conducted the poll, not The Huffington Post.
So you see, regardless of who publishes, prints or reports this figure; 77% is still majority.
I think even Glenn Beck himself would agree with that.
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Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by Hardstepah
Lets all ask ourselves a very important and overdue question, ATS............when was the last time either party really did something which was not poll, politically, or financially driven for themselves, for the American people?
We live within the intangible confines of a profit and control driven government and we argue about the recent scorecard. How backwards have we become? How do we start to repair what is so glaringly destroyed?
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Originally posted by TheTardis
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's true. People don't like change. But I suspect that if it were "McCainCare" or "BushCare" or even "RomneyCare", the same people protesting it so strongly now would be the ones who would support it 100%...
The problem with this statement is that none of them would have rammed this down our throats. And if they had I would still be against it just as many democrats are against it right now. It is a mess and it may or may not have good intentions but it is going to cause a lot more problems than it is worth. My problem is, why wont people see this for what it is. It is a program to help the welfare recipients some more rather than helping them get jobs.
Our healthcare system has flaws. We all know that. Why not fix those flaws rather than pass something this un popular that still doesnt fix the flaws while introducing more problems? It was just something to hang a hat on and say. "Yep, I was the first to do that". Well great..
Originally posted by TheTardis
Originally posted by Maxatoria
The traditional american system is either you can afford it or its tough, if you cant afford healthcare then its tough you'll die unless someone feels generous (chairity)
Bull crap.. Do you even live here? If you have a job you can afford healthcare. Its not all that expensive but you have to go down and apply for a job, Gee that sucks.. You might have to get off food stamps and work. I have been covering my own healthcare since I moved out of mom and dads 20+ years ago. Whether I was making $7 per/hr or on up, I have had my own healthcare. Some insurers were better than others but I worked and had healthcare. Its a choice in this country just like it is a choice to either work or try to live off the system in which case you wont have healthcare. But your not going to go die because of it. You just have to pay the bill after your treated and most of those people dont pay the bill. They let it go to collections or file bankruptcy on it. People act like we just send everyone off to die without insurance. Do you think the illegals are here because we dont help them? Bull.. If you dont live here and dont know how our system works then shut up about it. You dont have a clue.
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
I'm not against the concept per se, but I'm against the way it's implemented. I am not against the government implementing programs to help people who need it.
First of all, it's the government meddling in things that it shouldn't be meddling in.
In short, it's telling people that they have to get health care, and they have no choice but o pay for it one way or another. If you don't pay for it, you will be fined.
That's nothing more than extortion.
And the problem is that it's forcing people to do this.
And I don't see why people are okay with that.
And yes, I feel the same way about car insurance.
People shouldn't have to be forced to pay for something they don't want.
And most people just don't want this.
Basically, it's the government bullying people into submission.
And the real reason? When you trace the money, somebody will get rich off of it. Which is what this is really all about. It's not about helping people, it's all about the government increasing it's power and helping the rich people get even richer.
Because let's face it, it will hurt a lot of people because a lot of people just can't afford it.
If a person is making only $1,500 dollars, a fine or a payment of several hundred dollars is a big hit out of their paycheck.
And to top it off, many more people who will be paying into it will never benefit from it.
These are my issues with it.
This is not truly for helping people.
It's just another scam by the rich to get even richer.
So I will no longer call it the United States Of America, but the Looted States of America. It's supposed to be a government for the people and by the people, not just a select few elitist snobs who care nothing for anybody else but their own interests.
reply to post by queenofswords
Americans are predominantly against Obamacare because it is one huge monstrosity of a Big Government program several thousand pages long with spooky and vague parts in it that nobody understands.
reply to post by Darkrunner
I haven't liked it since that bat # crazy harpy Pelosi said "We have to pass the bill so we can know what's in it." That pretty much told me that they didn't know what the hell they were doing with this bill.
Originally posted by pasiphae
reply to post by Svipdagr
i'm actually supposed to get victims compensation for it but it's yet to be paid. my state is one of the worst regarding healthcare.
Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by Hardstepah
Hardstepah, I am so tired of the whole "team" routine myself.
Neo96, god bless him, make it abundantly clear how awful the situation becomes when you get caught up in its snare. He was obviously upste about the ruling and went on a mini-rant that the GOP should receive credit for the bill because they were in favor of a mandate even 20 years ago.
To say that is sad is an understatement. It's like he isn't in the least concerned with the actual situation as much as he is upset that "his team" lost the ruling.
We all need to stop this way of thinking. Through non economic issues like abortion and gay rights and gun control, we have become divided to the extreme. Yet no matter which social issue side you're associated with, both parties are continually striving to only further the agenda of giant business. This couldn't be more clear with the recent ruling on ACA, and the fact that Romeny is the other choice now. The godfather of insurance mandate himself.
Lets all ask ourselves a very important and overdue question, ATS............when was the last time either party really did something which was not poll, politically, or financially driven for themselves, for the American people?
We live within the intangible confines of a profit and control driven government and we argue about the recent scorecard. How backwards have we become? How do we start to repair what is so glaringly destroyed?
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Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?
How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?
Just saying.
Originally posted by havanaja
reply to post by michael1983l
THis is a reply to “EVILSADAMCLONE” who commented: “...And to top it off, many more people who will be paying into it will never benefit from it…”
In any insurance plan, the is the whole point of 100% participation is that the individual cost goes way down and one is PROTECTED FROM UNPREDICTABLE MISFORTUNE. Cnsider oneself lucky if nothing happens to you…but if it does, then you’re damn glad you have insurance, otherwise your’re out on the streets. Are you complaining about auto insurance, too? and business owners will get more productivity and less missed sick days.
Originally posted by Red Cloak
Because the average citizen of the USA is a total scum bag and a psychopath. Not to mention the vast majority of them have I.Q.s in the low 80s range.
Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
It's true. People don't like change. But I suspect that if it were "McCainCare" or "BushCare" or even "RomneyCare", the same people protesting it so strongly now would be the ones who would support it 100%...
Your right, people always wants to hide what they really feel and try to sugar coated, or write something subliminal as to why. So funny how people try to disguise there true feelings. In fact, it is not even funny it is embarrassing.edit on 30-6-2012 by LastProphet527 because: (no reason given)
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?
How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?