Why are Americans prodominantly against Obamacare?

Originally posted by Doodle19815
It is simple really, People don't like change. For better or worse.

I don't think that's true. People like change for the better not for the worse. Obamas whole presidential campaign was sold to the people because he supposedly stood for change. What they got was just more of the same.

reply to post by Lannister


Yeah, I dont see any American doctor giving there services away for free and I dont think that is really required of them. I dont know where you got that they have to give away a third of theri services for free but no they dont.

reply to post by MmmPie


Plan on lots of roomates in your future. THats the only way my sons could afford to move away from home in the first place. They all lived in a house full of renters sharing the expenses. My husband and I own our home. We've been in it for over 20 years and the mortgage is all but paid off now. I dont know how we'd make it if we were just starting and had to mortgage the house at todays prices.

Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?

How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?

Just saying.

Your implication that I am not civilized if I don't support Obama and this tyrannical legislation is incredibly insulting and also incredibly ignorant. It's time for people like you to wake up and see yourselves for the hypocrites that you are.

I have a question for you. Why would any civilized person support the government forcefully extracting money from me (taxation) in order to pay for a 2,000 page bloated bureaucratic mess of legislation that was engineered by the insurance companies themselves which has more to do with money than actually helping people?

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ISN'T CIVILIZED!! YOU ARE THE ONES WHO SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT TAKING MONEY FROM ME BY FORCE!!!!

Seriously, Who do you foreigners think you are who bash us Americans who don't want Socialist policies and further government intrusion in our lives? Don't you realize how foolish you look when you consider that we have the best healthcare in the world and people fly here from all over the world to be treated? (I know it's not perfect and needs fixing, but socialism is not the solution)

So apparently I'm not civilized if I don't support Uncle Sam forcefully extracting money from me (as a tax, penalty, incentive, whatever it is) to pay for this policy I don't support? Absurd.

You, like so many on the left, demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what taxation and government is really all about.

Honestly, take two seconds and gain basic understanding of libertarian small government principles and see if you still think you are all high and mighty and we are the uncivilized ones.

This is unacceptable and I won't tolerate this ignorance anymore. People like you are way out of line to insinuate that people opposed to this healthcare don't care about 'the poor, the sick, etc.'...You have it all wrong.

Health care is NOT a right.

It is not my duty to pay for someone else's healthcare (especially considering that the majority of healthcare deals with problems resulting from poor lifestyle choices and could've been avoided by the usual exercise, don't smoke, don't drink too much, don't be sedentary, have a proper diet, etc.).

p.s. I don't support our foreign military occupations either and I also don't think I should be requires to pay for those through taxation (ie. force).

Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?

How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?

Just saying.

for me it is the principle of the government forcing me to have something and have it their way and not mine.

I complain about extra taxes and the wars around the globe because we clearly don't have the money to do either one of those things. WE ARE BROKE. now we will be more so.

this was not a good time to do this considering our country's financial state, but congrats anyway.

The 'health-care' systems should be renamed the 'health-disregarding' systems.

They are fraudulent and based for the most part on deception and dishonour.

Reject all 'Their' systems. 'They' are no good for the decent.

It is time for us to heal ourselves.

We can do it.

We are so strong.

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by Lannister

 

Yeah, I dont see any American doctor giving there services away for free and I dont think that is really required of them. I dont know where you got that they have to give away a third of theri services for free but no they dont.

en.wikipedia.org...

The problem is people become doctors to drive a Lexus now instead of to help people like they should be. Greedy doctors and big insurance companies have destroyed this profession and with it the health of our nation and people. Basic health care is a human right no matter where you live and doctors that don't agree with this and instead choose to prey on the weak and poor should have their license revoked. Government needs to get the hell out of healthcare. I wonder how many of these brilliant doctors would still be doctors if they only made minimum wage like the people they choose to prey on so that they can sail around on their private yacht?

Keep on denying people basic human rights while completely ignoring medical facts, statistics, and abortion (murder) rates. You doctors that don't partake in charity care are scum. Big insurance companies preying on the weak and poor are filth. And people that don't accept the fact that every person on this planet has a right to good health are ignorant morons and/or mentally challenged bigots partaking in what can only be called genocide. I hope you sleep well in your million dollar house because hell has no pamper service.

It's quite simple really. A large percentage of working Americans just don't want to pay for sick people on welfare. That's the truth of it. There's always been a "tough #" culture in America. "Get a job, ya bum" etc. Everyone out for themselves. And now Obamacare has raised its ugly, compassionate head a lot of Americans are having visions of their tax dollars going to lazy, work-dodging layabouts to fund their self-inflicted illnesses through use of crack coc aine. Forgetting of course that the majority of out-of-work citizens are, in fact, good people down on their luck.

Originally posted by Troofseeker
It's quite simple really. A large percentage of working Americans just don't want to pay for sick people on welfare. That's the truth of it. There's always been a "tough #" culture in America. "Get a job, ya bum" etc. Everyone out for themselves. And now Obamacare has raised its ugly, compassionate head a lot of Americans are having visions of their tax dollars going to lazy, work-dodging layabouts to fund their self-inflicted illnesses through use of crack coc aine. Forgetting of course that the majority of out-of-work citizens are, in fact, good people down on their luck.

It is not our job to pay for the sick. It is the job of the doctors that took an oath to help people regardless of pay. Hold the doctors accountable not the struggling middle class that can't afford it. My God the doctor can't drive a ferrari to work anymore? How dare I?!

I took a poll I found on Drudge Report the day SCOTUS took our freedom of choice away and the results are as follows:

Parameters: 2 people in household, $70K annual income (just a round figure to work with), married, WELL over 26 years of age.

"Starting in 2014: You will have the option of buying a health plan through your state's exchange. Based on your income, you probably would not qualify for federal assistance to offset the cost of that plan.

If you do not obtain insurance coverage by 2014 you will be assessed a tax penalty. The penalty becomes progressively greater from 2014 through 2016, when it reaches full strength. At that point, assuming your current income remains the same and your household consists of 2 uninsured adults, your family would be subject to a penalty of about $1,390. You are exempt from the penalty if the least expensive plan option in your area exceeds eight percent of your income."

I basically retired early last year and have, intentionally, not sought out a medical insurance policy because it's always been a black hole for to us to put money into so we are VOLUNTARILY without medical insurance. We are very healthy with no major infirmities. If we get a sore throat and want to go to the Medi-Center to see a doc we'll pay in cash. The same goes for our meds, too. We're happy the way things are being self-insured. We'll put OUR money aside that would normally have gone to some blood-sucking insurance company and never seen again and we can invest it the way we see fit. NOW with this idiocy shoved down our throats we'll have AT LEAST $1390 added on top of our taxes AGAIN going to some insurance group that paid their way into this regime’s good graces - and for what?? We'll never see THAT money again either!!

This is just the beginning of another Socialist program to rid Americans of more of their hard earned money that politicians believe belongs to them anyway and if ANY of the rumors of “Death Boards” for the elderly are true then there are going to be some very ugly scenes unfolding in the hospitals around the country.

Are any of you people, the ones actually IN America and legal citizens, that are FOR this nonsense out of your twenties yet with savings and possessions you’ve worked for all your life around you? It’s easy to DEMAND that others that have anything more than you do give them up “for the greater good” but remember the people you’ve put in power to accomplish this travesty and render our Constitution ineffectual once again are eventually going to turn their attention on to YOU and demand what little you have to be turned over to the state to support their lifestyles like Michelle’s junkets and raucous parties to curry favor with more monied interests.

I’m old enough to remember the movie “Dr. Zhivago”. Anyone that remembers that movie remembers when he came back to Moscow during the Communist revolution only to find that squatters had moved into his apartment and were helping themselves to his belongings because it was deemed to be “fair” and for “the greater good” to generalize the attitude of that time. The only thing the Welfare State has generated is MORE poor people that know how to game the system and put acquisitive politicians into a government that increasingly knows what is best for everyone as long as THEY get their fair share. Have any one of you in favor of this new tax (which Obama SWORE up and down it was not in his Stephanopolus interview) ever paid attention to the mega-profits Peolosi has granted herself while sitting in the Speaker’s chair?

I USED to be a Republican but with enough of our representatives voting in NDAA it’s clear only a small handful actually have our “greater good” in mind such as Ron Paul. The Politics of Dirty Tricks unleashed on he and his supporters should have outraged the entire country! Instead we have people actually believing Obama's going to be paying their hospital bills like that viral video of the woman jumping for joy when he was elected saying "Obama's gonna pay my rent!!" or car payment or mortgage or whatever campaign promise this lamebrain actually bought in to. THIS is the kind of person a Welfare State produces. Ones that take umbrage at the very thought of having to think to make a living. Just send me my welfare check and I’ll spit out a couple more kids like tic-tacs to boost my “fair share” to take from those danged “rich folks” what ought to be mine!

Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?

How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?

Just saying.

This is not true. Americans are predominantly for it, not against it. But a very vocal political minority makes it seem otherwise.

-rrr

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?

How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?

Just saying.

This is not true. Americans are predominantly for it, not against it. But a very vocal political minority makes it seem otherwise.

-rrr

Oh really? Americans are predominantly for the highest taxe hike in the history of this country? I don't know if that's sad or funny.

reply to post by Lannister


How much are your taxes going up? Do you know?

reply to post by TheTardis


I currently work a minimum wage job, and my hours are based on how busy we are at my company. So if we're having a slow day, I have to leave work early.

I make 7.50 per hour - and usually I get 25-30 hours per week - 30 if I'm lucky. I'm averaging about $170.00 per week after taxes. I get no assistance of any kind and this job took me at least 5 months to find. Now this isn't that big of a deal to me as I personally don't have many expenses and I'm not relying on this job to get me through, but lets look at those that are in this position that say, have a family to support.

They would be getting around 680.00 per month. I'll even say 700.00 per month.

The absolute lowest rent around here that you can find is around 350.00.

So already we have halved our income just to put a roof over our head. We need gas to get back and forth to work, grocery store, etc. so we'll estimate 25.00 per week, and that's low. (It takes $50.00 to fill my tank up and I have a small sedan.) That is another $100.00 gone.

Now we're at 250.00. But we still have groceries, a power bill, a water bill and a phone bill, at the very least.

That money is gone. Quickly.

And getting food stamps and welfare isn't that easy. It takes a lot of paperwork to often be told "Sorry, you make too much money." I have known several people, including my own mother, that at one time was put into that category of "just above the poverty level". And it's at that level, that you make too much to get assistance.

Now, health insurance rates for myself (25 years old, healthy, non smoking, female with no pre-existing condition, for my zip code) runs about 173.00 per month (and that is a mediocre plan). That's a weeks worth of pay that someone in my position with even basic expenses, doesn't have the money to spend.

It's great that you were able to consistently work, and likewise consistently be able to afford healthcare. No sarcasm here. It really is a wonderful thing. But there are many MANY people that are not welfare recipients, do not leech off/take advantage of the system, that cannot afford health insurance.

It's not all black and white.

reply to post by michael1983l


In a recession when alot of people don't have employment (what they report is not accurate, it can't be) alot of people have given up or quit collecting unemployment, we have to think about higher taxes now, or another bill to pay. This is our choice?

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I'm with you all the way. You are right on sir.

reply to post by Jedimind


A big Amen to what you said my friend, Why should we support their bloated egos, nanny government must take care of the poor sheeple, they created the sheeple for just that purpose, with the public school system, (no I don't mean all school teachers) I mean Dept of Education and the National Education Association, they've got their claws into alot of the young people (not all of them) by coddling them with their sports (can't keep scores, everyone gets credit for trying it, and no red pens, (too harsh of a color) for grading. We got it when we were in school, made us want to be better and compete with others.

While we that still have our own mind are going to have to pay the price, along with the sheeple (wonder when they'll wake up) maybe when they only have even money(if moneys going to be around) if they're lucky to pay the bills, no other entertainment.

Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Mr Headshot

 

Yeah I am starting to get the picture here, Americans value their dollar more than they value their neighbours life. I get it now.

Oh, that is just plain stupipd. AMericans are the most charitable people on the planet. www.forbes.com...
Notice that places sith cradle to grave welfare and healthcare syustems rank the lowest of charitable giving in the developed world? Why? One can extrapolate that it is because of the attitude that the since the government will care for their neighbor, thy don't have to.

Why do you consider it selfish to keep what you earn to take care of yourself and yours but not selfish to take from someone else involuntarily to care for a third party? Is not the one who demands someone else pay for their needs and wants more selfish than the person who earns it in the first place?

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by EvilSadamClone

 

If a person is making only $1,500 dollars, a fine or a payment of several hundred dollars is a big hit out of their paycheck.

If your making only 1500 dollars, you will be exempt from fines.

What, 1,500 a month? A week?

Gun control is next. Right after the election. You're going to have to pay a tax to own a gun. Let's say $1000 each gun, a year.

Weight control is after that. Being overweight costs us all in higher health costs. For every lb you are over the government standard, you'll have to pay a fat tax. for being a fat ass.

Next is water conservation. You'll only be allowed so many gallons a month per person. If you go over it's ok, but you'll have to pay a consumption tax for wasting water.

Electricity is on the list too. It'll be same as water. If you use more than recommended, consumption tax for you.

You car is too old. It's ok though, just pay higher taxes to own it.

You house is too big. That wastes resources. It's ok though. Just pay higher taxes for the extra space.

Think it won't happen? It already has if you smoke, drink, drive, tan.........