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Why are Americans prodominantly against Obamacare?

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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A bill written by private health insurance corporations that forces people to purchase insurance from said corporations, or be "taxed," is not something I particularly like. It's also unconstitutional.




posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Why are we against Obamacare? Basically, because half of the plan is flawed.

You see, President Obama is half black and half Caucasian. So half the plan, the "Caring Side" is a GREAT idea, and this comes from his Caucasian genes. The other half of the plan where you suck off other people like they are a Teet, well that comes from his Black genes.

This is a well known fact that the MSM has put a 'Black-Out' on.


On a more serious note: Naw, it's too late to be serious. Enjoy Socialism while it lasts. What comes next involves a Civilian Military "Just as Powerful, Just Strong, Just as well funded, as the US Military" to quote Mr. Barry Soetoro..........of course, there are plans for this Civilian Military that has been started as the TSA, but hey, just don't ask questions OK? Everything is gonna be JUST FINE! OK? (Hushed Voice) "Now, Billy, go back to sleep."



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by jsmappy
Why are we against Obamacare? Basically, because half of the plan is flawed.

You see, President Obama is half black and half Caucasian. So half the plan, the "Caring Side" is a GREAT idea, and this comes from his Caucasian genes. The other half of the plan where you suck off other people like they are a Teet, well that comes from his Black genes.

This is a well known fact that the MSM has put a 'Black-Out' on.



If you think you are helping...then you my friend are an idiot...


Flag the above post if you agree...
Show your stupidity..: by agreeing with him/her,,

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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I think the way this comes across to the rest of the world is that Americans only care about
Number 1...

It's an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude; that these grumbling Americans are pissed that they may end up having to contribute towards the cost of other peoples healthcare.

It appears glaringly obvious that those grumbling can currently afford healthcare. But what if they had some bad luck, lost their job, their insurance and then got sick or injured? I think then many of these same people would be grumbling if their was no healthcare.

America is also seen as a predominantly Christian nation. How does that square with a nation that will not contribute towards the care of the meek? The current absence of healthcare makes this 'Christianity' look like pretence, and it's practitioners hypocrites.

America has been seen as an insular nation, it's citizens unaware of the rest of the world. I know this is not true for all Americans as many were actively interested in the world long before Al Qaeda forced all Americans to take notice. However, those many whom are grumbling about paying for Healthcare instead of personal insurance are turning the clock back and making the nation look like a bunch uncaring, selfish, insular people once again.



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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:09 AM
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I think their main problem with it is that it takes away some of their freedoms. Being forced to have healthcare by the government is a form of slavery. As you have to have a job to pay healthcare fees or you go to prison

People in the UK do not understand the concept of freedom as they have never had it.

But what most people don't know is that Americans pay 10x more for drugs than anyone else in the world pays, the drug companies say they are charging much more in America to help pay for drug research (which is a fallacy as most drugs are made in the UK not America)

Obamacase will not work if Americans are having to pay lots more for their drugs.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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I don't agree with you about auto insurance. I don't want to pay for someone's mistake. Real socialized health care can make auto insurance cheaper, as we would all automatically be covered at birth for the medical part.

Real socialized health care would be government run. Research, drugs, and care would be not for profit. Real socialized medicine is not forcing people to participate in the private system. That's fascism.

The Catholic church threatens to close down care facilities and lay off thousands if contraception and sterilization are required. We are ruled by corporations and clergy. This is not my USA.

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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LMAO! No, obviously, I wasn't trying to help.
Truthfully, if you are an American, and you do not understand why the Socialization of 70% of the Free Market is a BAD idea.......well no offense to the OP, but really? A history book and a pocket Constitution should clear it all up for the OP.

I work in the Insurance industry. Ever heard of Geico? All-State? etc. If you get into an accident, it doesn't matter what state you are in. OK? Is it the same with Health Insurance? The answer is NO!!!! Why? Because the GOVERNMENT made it virtually illegal to shop Health Insurance across state lines. Why? Because they had this planned. The Socialization of America is part of a 100 year plan that started on Jekyll Island in 1913. This Health Care plan - like the PATRIOT ACT was written DECADES before it passed thru Congress.

Do people understand that the Legislature, for the most part, does NOT write legislation? They may tweek it in a subcommittee but the Vast majority of Legislation is presented to Congress by a Lobby and the Skids are greased to slip it by the American people. To summarize: There is a plan afoot. It is up to each individual to comprehend the plan, accept it's reality, and to plan accordingly. Those who question things like Obamacare, are stuck in the world they are presented on the nightly news. There is no help for them until they wake from their slumber. Sadly, for some, well, for most, "The Plan" will cost them their lives.

"The Plan":
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature

Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity

Unite humanity with a living new language

Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason

Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts

Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court

Avoid petty laws and useless officials

Balance personal rights with social duties

Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite

Be not a cancer on the earth –Leave room for nature –Leave room for nature



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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A healthcare system should mean that you only contribute if you are working, but still get free healthcare if your are not working. Otherwise it is no different to the personal insurance system.

Also, under a healthcare system there should be a flat rate charge for all drugs, as paid for by a working citizen with a prescription from a Doctor (non-working people get the drugs for free).

This is how the British run their healthcare system. It is indeed economically challenging, but health for all should be a priority for a responsible country and its citizens, if they wish to think of themselves as responsible people.

As has been said, the money spent on weapons and war makes it hard to suggest said nation can't afford to treat it's own weak and frail.

If Obamacare does not operate as i've described above then it is not really a HealthCARE system.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:28 AM
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I've been reading so many of these posts, and I'm just in awe. About both sides of the fence! There are some good things about the bill, but even those things arent going to help. People from different countires seem to think that this bill is going to wipe the slate clean, and make a unified health care system that covers every American, and comes with an additional tax to pay for said health care. That is far from the truth.

People are asking for a logical explanation, but it seems that everyone is skipping over the logical and concise posts being written here. The supporters of the bill could learn a few things by skipping the "I HATE OBAMA BLAH BLAH" rants, and actually pay attention to the REAL reason most intelligible Americans are against the bill. Instead, you are spewing GOP hatred while saying that Republicans are closed minded and should accept the DEMS way of thinking. ALL IN THE SAME POSTS!

This: "You're just saying that because the democrats support it! - DEMOCRATS ARE ALL KNOWING AND REPUBLICANS ARE STUPID!" is not informing anyone about the bill. In a few of the better posts on here, the fact that a majority of those who voted it in haven't even read it yet was mentioned. So how can anyone play expert who works in the private sector?

From the parts of the bill I have read or heard about, I can gather enough to know what parts I don't support. One reason being the Pork included in the bill. So many new little laws got passed with that bill that it would make your head spin. Some of them don't even have much to do with health care.

Another reason is the mandated coverage. If it were a simple fee that everyone has to pay, and then everyone recieves free health care, then I would be EXCTATIC! I mean just the thought of that type of system makes me smile. It would have it's flaws, sure, but it would be 100 fold better than our current money making scheme set up by insurance companies. Insurance companies no longer cover medical costs. You pay them or else, and they check to make sure the procedure you are wanting won't hurt thier profits. I work at a hospital, and have worked in billing. Particularly in accounts dealing with patients that have #ty insurance, or none at all. That is EXACTLY how it works. They take your money, but don't want to pay out in return.

This bill does NOTHING to stop that from happening. It's only going to exponentiate the problem Plus with the Non-Monopolizing laws set in place, we will never see a dropped rate insurance company again. They can't legaly do the right thing and help people now.

Plus there is the issue with employers who provide health care for their workers. Some employers have already found out that it's cheaper to just pay the fines, and dropping their employees insurance company coverage. No matter what is going on in those employees lives, they are now left to the wolves. If an employee is in the middle of some serious health care problems, no insurance company will accept them. Because it might COST them something. You think the oil companies have big profits? Insurance companies are up there pretty darn close too.

I could ramble on and on, but most will continue to skip over this post, and bash the little two liners that are distracting everyone from what the OP asked...

As for anyone from another country who is reading this, I'm sure it looks a lot different from where you're standing. Thinking that a country isn't all for a system of health care that costs little, yet provides enough to keep everyone healthy is insanity. Thats just not how the law works though. So some people have a very genuine reason to not want it.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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I hope this works out better than Social Security Disability. Even if you are disabled (for real), you will need to retain a lawyer and be prepared to wage a legal fight with the government for about 3 years before you'll ever see a dime. The system has a payoff. Many end up homeless, sick and end up dying before they "qualify" for disability insurance. Canada is much different. You can't compare Canada's system to the U.S. It's not perfect, but I'd be jumping for joy if that was what Americans were going to get. It's not.

It concerns me that people only talk about the Health Care aspect of the Health Care Bill. There is so much more in that bill. They put a bunch of wishes into the bill and told people to pass it if they wanted to know what's in it. (Pelosi's famous advice) There is so much tax/money/defense crap in that thing. It's great they made it a tax. It shows what they are concerned about - collecting money from people. No one gives a damn about providing superior health care to Americans. There is little to no conversation about fixing the broken system of health care. American hospitals aren't great.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:37 AM
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That would be a problem. Unemployment is at an all time high. The numbers are fixed. It must be close to 40% of the working age population.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by jsmappy
 

Sadly, for some, well, for most, "The Plan" will cost them their lives.


The lack of Healthcare is already costing many their lives. But of course they are poor so they don't matter....


Originally posted by jsmappy
"The Plan":
Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature

Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity

Unite humanity with a living new language

Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason

Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts

Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court

Avoid petty laws and useless officials

Balance personal rights with social duties

Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite

Be not a cancer on the earth –Leave room for nature –Leave room for nature


If you are ever down on your luck and happen to be sick and without insurance, i hope that quoting the Georgia Guidestones as a good reason for not wanting a Healthcare system that can help the needy is of some comfort in lieu of the medication you can't afford....


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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?

How can a population of a developed nation like the USA complain about paying extra taxes for this when their current government invests more money in war than all other nations combines accross the globe?

Just saying.

because why should any one be forced to pay for anythin its all coming off of middle class americans ,, socialism does not work that simple obama is retard who only got voted in because he is black he has spent more money in 4 years then all the other presidents combined including bush how can a country get out o f debt spending so much ,, and now the irs has there own swat teams to come and get you if u dont pay ur tax to help peopel who cant even help there selfs get jobs ! hope that makes sence ,, liberal want to live off others people hard earned money read on google the teacher who failed his hole class for saying obamas socialism works ,,



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by RainbeauBleu
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That would be a problem. Unemployment is at an all time high. The numbers are fixed. It must be close to 40% of the working age population.


Then maybe the US should spend a little less cash on ways to conquer the middle east and a little more on its own job creating home grown industries and the welfare of its own people.

www.economist.com...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Ok, I'll bite.


1. Healthcare is already available to anyone. Either you purchase it on your own, or you enroll in medicaid/medicare if you can't afford it otherwise. Note, medicaid/medicare will still be the same under Obamacare, only the states have more control rather than the federal government. The idea that healthcare is unavailable to the "masses" is a fallacy and entirely untrue.

2. Obamacare is now shown to be exactly what it was intended to be, a tax. A big whopping tax, largest ever actually in the entire history of the United States. This means I work hard to pay for your healthcare. Why should I be forced to do that? Buy your own. Get a job or enroll on medicaid/medicare, either way don't ask me to carry you.

3. The bill was more more that healthcare. Much more in fact. Just as an example, the IRS now becomes the enforcing arm of the new system, allowing the IRS to disallow perfectly legal tax deductions if they deem you to be not paying enough taxes, even if the law allows you to claim the deduction, they can override it.

More to follow later. Bottom line, it's a tax, it's not my responsibility to pay for you and when the democrats wake up to see that Justice Roberts, by calling it a tax and making it established law, now can be overturned by a 51 vote majority in the senate rather than 60, then I suspect they will be pretty pissed off. Justice Roberts played a astute game here and gave us a legitimate way out. I can't wait for November as Obama will be steamrolled in the election and this stupid law will be overturned.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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I think it's intentional. It's all about control and creating chaos. There isn't really an issue with funding it. The money is there. They do this thing where they spend zillions on killing/military/police/prisons and then tell the population that they're broke and can't afford to provide health care or fund anything that would be helpful. Same old Song and Dance, My Friend. There will never be enough money to take care of the people as long as these psychopaths continue to rule our land.

Our government buys their computers from China. Everything is outsourced. Jesus, our president isn't even an American - talk about outsourcing!

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
Why would any civilized person complain about making primary healthcare available to all instead of just those that have the cash to pay for it?.

:shk: So it's 'uncivilized' to point out the fact that Obamacare is UNSUSTAINABLE, eh?

Michael .. haven't you read any of the threads here? It's basic economics ... Obamacare is unsustainable. It can't be done the way Obama has it. Period. No matter what left wing rhetoric says, it's not about being 'civilized' and it's not about 'not caring' and it's not about 'race' ... it's about basic economics.

1 - It simply can't be sustained the way it's being done
2 - Obama and waivergate .. giving political favor waivers to certain entities.
3 - Forcing people to buy a product that they don't want and/or don't need is simply wrong.
4 - It's a government power grab into our private lives.
5 - Everything the government touches turns to crap.
6 - It's squeezing US citizens who can't afford it.
7 - It'll harm small business .. making them cut back workers and/or go out of business.

It's not that hard to understand.


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
But I suspect that if it were "McCainCare" or "BushCare" or even "RomneyCare", the same people protesting it so strongly now would be the ones who would support it 100%...

Nope. Not me. RomneyCare sucked just as much as Obamacare. Certain provisions are good ... but the basic bottom line fact is ... they are UNSUSTAINABLE.


Originally posted by SunnyDee
All you that say we are just a bunch of idiots for not wanting this.

Back atchya. :shk:




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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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I think it's apparent. Being forced to buy insurance or be fined/taxed to comply. There is a certain thing about the human condition in these United States where a man should be able to go through life unencumbered by any co$t. Then as you own things progressively, you start paying tax on your goods. Even this was not always so. In the twenties and thirties there was no income tax, You could own a home and your tax was small, what you made in income you could keep and build a life. Now everything is taxed, everything. And where does it go? to the biggest Ponzi scheme in the world. Who wins? polititions .What do they do? They graft and extort the system.......legally, through enacting laws protecting in every way, all the behavior that they use to accumulate vast fortunes. The citizen is left holding the bag and cost of their living large.

This healthcare is fine, we all need it..........mostly........ but it has been shoved down our throats whether we like it or not. And whats worse, it has become a tax.......... that way they can strong arm you into paying since the IRS is involved. Fail, and all your belongings could be in jeporady or confiscated. You are FORCED to pay regardless.

I'm a vet, so my healthcare, though scant, comes from the VA. I have co-pays for meds or procedures. I'm one of the lucky ones. I did fight in the Vietnam war so it wasn't free.

Americans all over the nation will fight this tooth and nail. wait and see. I also hope this has put the last nail in obama's coffin come November.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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In the Year 322AD the Pope put to Death most of the key players of what is currently called the Freemasons/Illuminati. They vowed to get revenge. So, 322 became their motto.



What is the highest level of Freemasonry? The 33rd Degree.

When were the Georgia Guidestones erected? March 22, 1980 ( 322 )

When was Obamacare passed? March 22nd, 2010 ( 322 )

Now, March 22nd 2013 - they plan on having achieved all the goals layed out in exactly 33 years.

This is what 12-21-12 is all about and the Age of Aquarius. However, you are free to feel that Democrats and Republicans oppose each other and that when you vote it matters. You will realize this year that the world is not what you thought it was, nor that mortal men control the levers of society.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Here's a thought. I'm a heavy smoker and drinker.

Who here is willing to pay for my dead liver and cancer lungs.

I'm not paying for this. period



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