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Originally posted by Lucas73
reply to post by GenerationGap
Americans have no idea how bad their system is now. I live in a New Zealand were we have universal healthcare and no-one tells me to DO anything except my doctor telling me to lose weight, lol. There are no death panels or any loss of rights predicted by Obamacare doomsayers. If a doctor ever stuffs up your treatment they get in trouble but not sued because it will be fixed (if possible). What else do you need? Millions of dollars? If money made your emotional distress go away, marriages would end in divorce less. People getting an MRI everytime they go to a doctor? overtesting. They use their tests to make money out of you. It seems some Americans want to line up and bend over but they aint getting their temperature taken. No wonder Americans travel to New Zealand to get procedures at a third of the price they pay in the good ol' US of A. You're being ripped off. The US Government hates NZ's Pharmac, the NZ Gov organisation that buys pharmaceuticals in bulk (for 4 million people) and getting a cheap deal from the big pharma companies. Subsidised prescriptions cost me $NZ3 each ($US2.49) atm (it's going up to $NZ5 next year for the first increase in a very long time) First world care at second world prices. only 6% unemployment AND our education system is the third best in the world behind South Korea and some other asian country. No wonder James Cameron is moving here, lol, and I know, he's Canadian. Obamacares only problem is it isn't just paid through your taxes. Just so you know, Kiwi's complain about their healthcare too, but ask if they would give it up for the American way and they will thinkyou are CRAZY!.
Originally posted by misfitofscience
The answer to your question: They are just stupid. the more people you have the dumber the population will be. The dumber the population will be the dumber the system will be, the dumber the system will be, the dumber the products and services will be, until one that actually makes sense is dumb down and made to be a conspiracy.
How is subsidized health care a bad thing at all Jesus H Christ.
Originally posted by jam321
Need something to complain about.
Remember many people thought Obama was going to get slammed. Boenher said don't gloat, etc etc. It shocked them when they found out Obama won again.
Some people don't like Obama to have a good day.
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by jhn7537
I think you will find that most countries national health services are doing exactly that already. It is America that is behind the times here and it has become apparent why, you have been programmed to be selfish and self significant so much so that your human regard for life has been erroded. I'm leaving this subject here now I think, theres no point arguing this out with you, I'm just glad I don't live in the USA.
Originally posted by Soulece
I am against it because I fear this is an illusion to get the microchip out there. Where you'd need something in order to get these benefits.
Call me crazy. It's ok.
Growing the Nanny State
A little-discussed provision of the health
care legislation requires restaurant chains
with at least 20 locations or franchises to
post calorie counts next to prices on menus,
menu boards, and drive-through menus. In
addition, restaurateurs would be required to
post a brief statement regarding daily caloric
intake and advise guests that additional nutrition
information is available. Other nutrition
data, which must be available on request,
would include calories from fat, total
fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, sodium, carbohydrates,
sugars, dietary fiber and protein.239
More than 200,000 establishments will be affected
by the change.240 The law also requires
nutrition information to be posted on food
and beverage vending machines.241
However, the Patient Protection and AffordableCare Act fails to do anything to
reduce or even restrain the growth in those
costs. According to Richard Foster, the government’s
chief health care actuary, the legislation
will actually increase U.S. health
care spending by $311 billion over 10 years
(see Figure 8).284
Sarah Palin was exactly right about death panels as this caller attests. Tonight, a brain surgeon called into Mark Levin’s radio show and said that he had just recently visited Washington DC to review Obama’s new health care plan for advanced neurosurgical care for patients over 70 years old, issued by HHS. The plan, that included “ethics panels”, stated that if your were over 70 years old and on government supported healthcare and you visited an emergency room, you get “comfort care”:
Caller: Yes. And basically they don’t call them patients, they call them units. And instead of – they call it “ethics panels” or “ethics committees”, would get together and meet and decide where the money would go for hospitals, and basically for patients over 70 years of age, that advanced neurosurgical care was not generally indicated.
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by beezzer
If I may chime in. . . .
The ACA (Affordible Care Act) or Obamacare is an attempt to take the responsibility of the individual and place it in the hands of the government.
Healthcare is not a right.
It is a personal responsibility left to the individual.
How much salt, bacon, scotch, nicotine, soda, Big Macs. . . I put in my body is up to me.
Not the government.
Yet the government has taken the onus upon themselves to determine our own measure of healthcare.
Individuality is hardwired into the american soul. Yet this "Law" takes away our individual right to self-determination.edit on 29-6-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)
That is where you are so wrong, healthcare is a right, just as the ability to breathe air is. Why would healthcare not be a right? Why would you not want to practice life preservation wherever possible? Is life that cheap to you that it has a pricetag?
To be honest I am flabberghasted by that comment, I never really knew that capitalism could make people regard life so cheaply.
I find it completely bizarre that so many foreigners compare their socialist care to ours when I have heard so many stories of how people had to wait months just to see a doctor or get surgery