Guest Speaker Events - Michaelhorn and Johnlear, and more

From skimming through the John Lear threads quickly, it is quite clear that he is of the Bob-Lazaar type of line, but I was under the impression that Bob Lazaar was a generally discredited 'source'..
Futhermore, he seems to have avoided a couple fundamental questions poised by our posters here on ATS, I dont think he particularly gave himself a good showing, anyone else's opinion?
I was trying to find the Michaelhorn conversation posts, but I believe they are all on global ignore, anyone know why?
I think we should invite a renown physicist to converse on this board, regarding some of the UFO-ologists' theories on element 115 (i believe it is), alien metal/technologies, the Z-Field energy generator (that, seemingly, violates the laws of physics), and similar concepts..

Or a philosopher to discuss through my recent 'Flaws in the Christian Concept of God' debate!

Anyway,
Thanks ATS

1/ I think John Lear retired from UFO related theory soon after coming here.

2/ Michaelhorn is not on Global Ignore.I've just seen a few of his posts.

3/ Stanton Friedman is coming to ATS to answer questions from the 11th onwards.He's a Nuclear Physicist as well as one on the worlds pre-eminent UFOlogists.Good questions for him.

I was trying to find the Michaelhorn conversation posts, but I believe they are all on global ignore, anyone know why?

Work fine...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My opinions on both:

Lear: I think he basically means well, but started connecting dots that were pretty far-fetched, and ended up with a personal theory that is WAY out there. I think there are some tiny truths to some of his observations regarding the grays, but he's lost me with the moonbases, etc.

Meier/Horn: Unlike Lear, this appears to be a planned hoax from the get-go. The photos are obviously models, and some photos (switched by the Swedish MIBs, that still cracks me up) were even identified as copied from media. I will thank him though, for inspiring me with an excellent idea to fake UFO photos that may even be the method employed by Billy.

On Lazar: This is a tricky one... I believe there is ample proof that he was where he said he was. There seems to be ample evidence his background was tampered with. On the whole, his story resonates well with many sources, including docs that date back to the 40's describing the interior of the ships. I believe Lazar was an unwitting disinfo plant, chosen for his knowledge, but also because he would be easy to discredit when he inevitably came forward with his story. I think much of Lazar's comments are true to a point, but also laced with disinfo.

As for element 115, currently, the verdict is still out on whether we've been able to synthesize it or not. And Lazar states the properties of it that enable it's use, are due to it in it's "natural" state. So, without a sample, it's mere conjecture really. To debate his ideas in physics, you'd have to fully understand quantum physics that we are just barely starting to understand, so I'm not so sure such a debate is possible at this time...

Consequently, I believe that much of the "yellow book" idea, of the aliens giving us Jesus, etc. is disinfo as part of the acclimation process, as its a good way of revelation without disrupting the religions of the world.

Hmm, strange, Michaelhorn's posts are coming up now.. Oh well

In terms of the Physicist idea, I meant a physicist whose renown for their physics, not because they are a believer in what most people would call a 'wacky theory'..
Perhaps we should chase the likes of Robert Swinburne or Richard Dorkins to participate in a 'community discussion'..
Alternatively, we could go for someone like Dan Brown, that'd be very interesting..

When I said Physicist, I meant more than a 'run of the mill' physicist, I meant someone who holds a specialist PhD in a relevant field for the topics of conversation.. Most interesting would be something along the lines of Energy, or Energy Generation, etc

Do we have a date for Badnarik JB1?? I'm surprised the requested question thread for him is dead...I was the last to post there and nothing has happened since...

We've actually synthesised 115.. It's not a stable 'heavy-element' as previously speculated.

We were talking about Aliens and UFOs in philosophy today.. very interesting...
'There are a million million stars in our galaxy. There are a million million galaxies in the Universe. The chances of an Alien finding us is one in a million million million million... We have only been passing out tv/radio/etc signals for 60+ years, so that isnt really a good way of 'blaming' the cause of the contact'
If you think about it.. it is quite an interesting, scary idea..
Another interesting point is that most of the UFO/abduction reports come from America... generally regarded by the world as some of the most ignorant/stupid people on the planet (Gross generalization, I know, but I personally blame the schooling system..)

Originally posted by EnronOutrunHomerun
Do we have a date for Badnarik JB1?? I'm surprised the requested question thread for him is dead...I was the last to post there and nothing has happened since...

Yes, I'll be sending questions to him tomorrow.He may even register and post some articles here over the next month as indeed any Presidential candidate can do if they wish.

Who is Badnarik? I believe I missed this event.
What we could do is e-mail some top professors at Cambridge/Oxford/etc around the world to invite them to ATS for discussion... I'm sure at least a few will accept, even if only for laughs!

Ha! another UKer like me.

Michael Badnarik U.S presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party currently running neck and neck with Nader.

Fascinating.. It'd be brilliant to get him to come here, but it may.. somewhat.. damage his chances for presidency, dont you think?
I think Dan Brown would be a good coup for us

We've actually synthesised 115.. It's not a stable 'heavy-element' as previously speculated.

Hasn't really been confirmed that it is indeed what was synthesized, last time I checked...but if it has, I'd love to know the source, as I must have missed it (entirely possible)

Who is Badnarik? I believe I missed this event.

He's a presidential candidate, on the ballot of 48 states, last I checked...and is actually well-liked around here. The fact that you've never heard of him echoes my point that he has failed to obtain national recognition, despite being an EXCELLENT candidate for president....*sigh*

Badnarik might become a member? What about our distinguished longstanding members that have been posting here for years? Some of them are in politics too.

Dont worry, I'm not very politically inclined at all, and I dont keep track of American politics too much, voiding foreign policy, and policies towards science
Element 115 Synthesized, under the first heading

edit; not confirmed, fair enough

edit2; Same topic, different site

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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
Some of them are in politics too.

Sweet...I never knew you could direct your links from a thread to a specific post...now I know...

Nice come back

I think we really need to create a committe for inviting outspoken people to ATS...
Thus it can be more ordered, and we can have it 'themed', for the current topics of discussion, etc..