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Republicans’ Ex-Spokesman Calls For Armed Rebellion Over Obamacare

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by masqua




This November, I am taking the entire day of work and voting for BUDWEISER!


George Carlin once said "I like to stay home on election day and masterbate. I'm doing the same thing as you but in the end at least I have something to show for it"

What a gem.




posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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This is funny, it is like a twin headed dragon, we all know Democrats and Republicans 2 heads of the same dragon, they will never fight each other, why get in discussions like this which claims otherwise? Words are cheaper than actions, we have seen for decades both parties act exactly the same. If Republicans take over in pretence, they will just relabel the Obamacare and continue it, while Democrats will start shouting and screaming against it. What a waste of time and attention.

I don't expect anything, this is just typical vodoo magic to distract and divert and keep people's attention as far away from the actual issues which matter.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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Not true, forcing people to buy health insurance that can't afford it, is going to wreck the economy. It's just another tactic to thin out the middle class and make a bigger gap between poor and rich.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Nonviolent resistance is the answer. You can't fight socialism face to face, you can only wage an intellectual battle against it with an unflinching will. Never give in, never lose your cool. Let socialism collapse under its own weight through exposure of its criminality.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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It baffles me too just how odd people can be.

Let's see:

- We're in the middle of 2 failed wars
- We're trying to start MORE wars by proxy (Syria, Libya, etc)
- We have a huge deficit
- ACTA/SOPA/PIPA..need I say more?
- USA Patriot Act

Of all the things people could start an armed rebellion over, it's HEALTHCARE that gets them upset?


Only in America I suppose.


I'm sorry, I'm not trying to reply to you personally but I saw this argument a couple of times and your post hit the nail on the head.

"It's HEALTHCARE that gets them upset?" I see a whole list of things to be upset about. Not just healthcare. Why is it being assumed that a rebellion should/would be started on just the most recent issue? Instead, the most recent issue is the final nail in the coffin. People can be angry over many issues at once.

BTW: I do not condone an armed rebellion of any kind. The quote in the OP is from a republican about a democratic bill. I am not fooled to think that he would have the same response to a similar republican backed bill. He likely doesn't care about the rest of your list. I would be willing to bet that he doesn't speak for the majority of republican citizens. I would also venture a wager that a majority of all U.S. citizens are equally infuriated over at least some of the other issues on your list. For some of the regular people who do not have a seat in senate/congress, it's not Obamacare, it's government as a whole.

This morning I stepped in the neighbor's dog poo on my front porch. Is it just dog poo that has me so mad? Or is that he's been chasing my cats, harassing my chickens, tearing up trash in my yard, and now he's s***ing on my porch?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by SuperFrog

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by RealSpoke
I JUST WANT TO BE FREE


You pay taxes, so that shiny military can protect you, no? Same thing, except its your health that is being protected. And dont go on about my avatar pic plz.


Respectfully, I can see the requirement for the federal government to maintain a military in the Constitution but I cannot see the same enumerated power to provide healthcare or mandate healthcare for all in that document.


Really? Ever heard of preamble of USA constitution?




We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Even if it was not part of it, which is not the case, why so many protest for affordable health care?

source*

Interesting, considering I was taught in University that the preamble is more a mission statement than law. "The Preamble serves solely as an introduction, and does not assign powers to the federal government,[1] nor does it provide specific limitations on government action. Due to the Preamble's limited nature, no court has ever used it as a decisive factor in case adjudication." en.wikipedia.org...

Ah, notice the preamble states "promote" not "provide for" and the body of the Constitution is where every concept in the preamble is spelled out in detail. Notice that the body tells in the body exactly how congress is to provide for the common defense but there is not a single mention of healthcare. Article 1 section 8 tells us exactly how the Government is "to provide for the common defense." Please point out the article that tells us how hte government is to provide healthcare.


No one is against affordable healthcare. Some people do not want to be forced to provide for someone else's healthcare. Others do not think that this is the Federal Government's perview. Still others see that the increased expense and debt is further untenable. And still others realize that ultimately this will increase costs and decrease availability.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Instead of mandated health insurance, I'd prefer affordable insurance. I believe I could get some type of medicaid/care but my husband is on it for a permenant disability. I see the way it has held us back and made us slaves to the system and I don't want to add myself to that (even though I'm stuck there with my husband).

I once had a job with wonderful insurance. $50 a month for me and 1 child and covered EVERYTHING. $10 co-pay for any dr. visit and my premium was all I ever paid. When I left and wanted the plan outside of work it was nearly $500/month for the both of us.

My next job (that offered insurance) offered a crap plan. For $60/month for only myself they would pay up to $600 a year in dr visits after the $250 deductible, and $100/yr towards eye and dental, after the $250 deductible. If you do the math....

$60/month x 12 = $720/year in premiums
$600 + $100 + $100 = $800/year in medical care possible IF I need $600/yr in dr. visits. Being healthy, I rarely see a doctor but went once a year for check ups since I was paying for it anyway.

I'm not endorsing mandates on any one at all and I have no clue how to make insurance more affordable. But if you (president/congress/insurance companies/whoever) want to help people without insurance, my suggestion is to make insurance both affordable and adequate.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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It is not healthcare that riles us up, it is the fact that now that they have passed this it basically means that the government can require us to do "anything" or penalize us with a "tax". The government wants you to buy 50 shirt per year, do it or we will penalize you with a tax, you make enough money to buy a house but won't, do it or we will tax you. It is insane, when are Americans going to stand up against the government and tell them NO MORE, you are not our parents or our keepers, you will not tax us to death, you will not regulate our freedoms. If I want to sit my behind on a couch with a 64oz soda, a pizza and a cheesecake smoking a cigarette I will do it, I don't need the government to regulate what I will and won't do. Maybe he is right, maybe we should remember the Stamp Act, and the Tea Tax, is it really gonna take another Boston Massacre?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by N3kr0m4nc3r
It is not healthcare that riles us up, it is the fact that now that they have passed this it basically means that the government can require us to do "anything" or penalize us with a "tax". The government wants you to buy 50 shirt per year, do it or we will penalize you with a tax, you make enough money to buy a house but won't, do it or we will tax you. It is insane, when are Americans going to stand up against the government and tell them NO MORE, you are not our parents or our keepers, you will not tax us to death, you will not regulate our freedoms. If I want to sit my behind on a couch with a 64oz soda, a pizza and a cheesecake smoking a cigarette I will do it, I don't need the government to regulate what I will and won't do. Maybe he is right, maybe we should remember the Stamp Act, and the Tea Tax, is it really gonna take another Boston Massacre?


You sire have wild imagination...

Don't you think that you are a bit over-dramatizing situation?

No one is taxing you to death, nor is anybody taking away your freedom by giving everyone affordable health care.

You really will compare affordable health care bill with tea tax?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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There will be no revolt, no revolution, no armed rebellion....nothing.

Oh, there may be a few lone right wing nut cases that get caught and prosecuted for threats against obama or some supreme court justices but that's it.

There are no revolutionary leaders. I'd like to see Rush, Savage, Levin strap on a pistol and hoist the black flag.

Think that's gonna happen....


Complacency, sloth, and interest in banal entertainment typifies American culture. Not revolution!!
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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All I know for a fact is. This new ruling by the administration is effecting small businesses in a negative way. I started my own small company last year, and have worked by butt off to build it up. I was looking at reaching a place where I could start hiring a few people towards the end of this year. Now, I'll rethink how I structure any future growth potential, and will be hiring people only as independent contractors, completely off the books. I don't want to be placed in the position of being legally forced to be a strong arm of the IRS and snitching on people's meager incomes. It will probably effect how many hours I can hire someone for. I have a lot of research to do.


Des






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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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I was hoping more ATS members would understand what just happened with the SCOTUS Chief Justice John Roberts (Bush appointee) decision to uphold Obamacare.

CJ Roberts just ensured that Obamacare will be maintained – even if Romney wins.

If Romney wins, there will be lots of “busyness” to repeal Obamacare. Of course, to their horror, they will discover that repealing Obamacare isn’t as easy as it sounds.

Then there will be more apparent “busyness” to “fix” Obamacare.

As I’ve said before, Obamacare is NOT about healthcare. It’s about a massive expansion of Federal POWER. It will also suck dry what is left of the Middle Classes with high taxes. One step closer to turning the US into a Third World country.

The “High Cabal”, “the Secret Government”, “The Elites”, “TPTB” (whatever you want to call them) does not/do not give a rat’s *ss about healthcare for the masses.

Healthcare for the poor will not improve. However, it will ensure members of the current Middle Class will join the ranks of the poor.

“The cabal is now orchestrating sham struggles between the Democrats versus the Republicans … The Obama puppet regime conspired with the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance corporations on a healthcare plan giving them total control.”

“To make this palatable to ignorant American voters, it was made to appear that the Republicans were against this healthcare plan--a scheme which the Republicans had written with their very own hands.”

Dr. Norman D. Livergood
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“In Las Vegas, win or lose, the bank always wins…”

“Before WWII, Winston Churchill made a strange statement. He said, ‘I fear that ill winds and The High Cabal shall determine our fate.’ He knew only too well…”

Moss David Posner, MD
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The only reason I will vote for Romney is because I personally detest Obama -- one of the biggest FRAUDS ever perpetrated on the American people – and it nauseates me to think of another four years of Obama in the Oval Office.

I can’t believe there are people still #$&*! enough to vote for Obama.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Being overly dramatic, I think not; I was simply stating that this ruling opens doors that I don't think people wanted open. as for affordable healthcare sure it may seem that way now but what will happen when those insurance agencies want to start recouping the cost they lose because they can no longer exclude pre-existing conditions?

As for comparing it to the stamp tax or tea tax I was comparing it to the rampant taxation that we are going through only to be met with complacency
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by N3kr0m4nc3r
reply to post by SuperFrog
 


Being overly dramatic, I think not; I was simply stating that this ruling opens doors that I don't think people wanted open. as for affordable healthcare sure it may seem that way now but what will happen when those insurance agencies want to start recouping the cost they lose because they can no longer exclude pre-existing conditions?


This ruling has guaranteed the Insurance Companies will soon become the strongest and loudest covert Lobbyists group, ever to have descended upon Washington. We'll eventually see whole sections of lists of covered medical ailments, disappear from the insurance vocabulary. There will be whole segments of society who are square pegs with only round holes to fit in.

Des



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by N3kr0m4nc3r
reply to post by SuperFrog
 


Being overly dramatic, I think not; I was simply stating that this ruling opens doors that I don't think people wanted open. as for affordable healthcare sure it may seem that way now but what will happen when those insurance agencies want to start recouping the cost they lose because they can no longer exclude pre-existing conditions?


So you are believer that people with pre-existing conditions should have unfair rate because of those conditions??

So in your opinion, supreme court should not be able to decide something like this? Why do we have supreme court?

It is interesting that over 60% of USA population* support idea that healthcare should be mandatory, only around 15% does not have insurance. Current republican outrage is just a political game to gain votes, even after plan was originally introduced by republican. Strange... don't you think?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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You really will compare affordable health care bill with tea tax?


It is a cumulative effect, and YES! We are taxed at least 1000x more today than we were in 1776. We are taxed at least 1000x worse today than the Confederacy was in 1861.

Do you have any idea how much of the money you make actually goes to taxes? Consider the fact that Medicare, Social Security, and Income tax already take the first 30% even before you get your paycheck. Surely they could fund their bill and some affordable heathcare from that.

So at least 30% off the top, although some people pay much more than that. Then there is the unemployment tax, workers comp insurance, and matching SS and MC tax that your employer pays on your behalf.

Now, where I live there is a 7.5% sales tax, so for every dollar I make, I've already given up 30%, and now I'm going to spend another 7.5% on sales tax, so at leaast 37.5% is gone. If I am buying gas, there is a more than $0.40 per gallon in taxes Federal taxes, plus plenty of hidden fees and taxes along the way in the import and production process. I use about 30 gallons of gas per week, so that is another $60 in montly tax which is another 1.5% of my wages. So, now 39% of my income is gone to tax. My cell phone bill has about $40 in taxes and fees per month, and the same for my cable bill, so that is another 2%. 41% gone to taxes. My car tags, real estate tax, fire services fee, wastewater, trash service, and storm water runoff account for another $4000 in tax per year, so that is 12%, and I'm up to 53% of my paycheck gone to taxes.

I could go on and on, and breakdown the cost of each thing I buy, and show how it was taxed as a raw material, and how it was taxed at manufacturing, and how it was taxed in shipping, and how it was taxed in retail, and I could show that the vast majority of our money all goes to taxes.

The Healthcare bill is clearly unconstitutional, but by itself it might not be a big deal. With the cumulative effect of this bloated, over-bearing government, hopefully it is the final straw.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by AuranVector
As I’ve said before, Obamacare is NOT about healthcare. It’s about a massive expansion of Federal POWER. It will also suck dry what is left of the Middle Classes with high taxes. One step closer to turning the US into a Third World country.

The “High Cabal”, “the Secret Government”, “The Elites”, “TPTB” (whatever you want to call them) does not/do not give a rat’s *ss about healthcare for the masses.

Healthcare for the poor will not improve. However, it will ensure members of the current Middle Class will join the ranks of the poor.


As we are rare one if not the only developed nation in the world that does not guarantee health coverage, we might belong into third class countries.
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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by SuperFrog

Originally posted by N3kr0m4nc3r
reply to post by SuperFrog
 


Being overly dramatic, I think not; I was simply stating that this ruling opens doors that I don't think people wanted open. as for affordable healthcare sure it may seem that way now but what will happen when those insurance agencies want to start recouping the cost they lose because they can no longer exclude pre-existing conditions?


So you are believer that people with pre-existing conditions should have unfair rate because of those conditions??

So in your opinion, supreme court should not be able to decide something like this? Why do we have supreme court?

It is interesting that over 60% of USA population* support idea that healthcare should be mandatory, only around 15% does not have insurance. Current republican outrage is just a political game to gain votes, even after plan was originally introduced by republican. Strange... don't you think?



So do you feel Geico should be forced to insure your car after you have wrecked it?

Should a fit person who does not smoke be forced to pay the same rate as a smoker or someone who refuses to be fit?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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As we are rare one of the rare if not the only developed nation in the world that does not guarantee health coverage, we might belong into third class countries.


I agree, but this bill doesn't fix that. There are still a million exceptions, there will still be people not covered, and it is yet another tax and expense, complete with new unnecessary laws and penalties, when really we needed to fix the core of the healthcare system.

The problem could have been fixed by going backwards 100 years instead of socializing medicine.

How about we get rid of insurance completely, and we let the market set the price of healthcare, and we demand fair and transparent pricing for our health service just like we do our retail services, or automotive services, etc. Wouldn't you like to see a menu board in your doctor's office with every procedure clearly marked and every patient paying exactly the same price, and the prices being low enough that people could actually afford them?

That is what the population was crying "reform" about. We didn't want a monstrosity of new laws, and a new system, we wanted to fix the system we already had.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by SuperFrog

Originally posted by N3kr0m4nc3r
reply to post by SuperFrog
 


Being overly dramatic, I think not; I was simply stating that this ruling opens doors that I don't think people wanted open. as for affordable healthcare sure it may seem that way now but what will happen when those insurance agencies want to start recouping the cost they lose because they can no longer exclude pre-existing conditions?


So you are believer that people with pre-existing conditions should have unfair rate because of those conditions??

So in your opinion, supreme court should not be able to decide something like this? Why do we have supreme court?

It is interesting that over 60% of USA population* support idea that healthcare should be mandatory, only around 15% does not have insurance. Current republican outrage is just a political game to gain votes, even after plan was originally introduced by republican. Strange... don't you think?



No i never said they should have an unfair rate, the rates should be fair but the fact is that everyone will be penalized now. I have no problem with the supreme court making the decision, of course they won't make a decision that everyone is happy with that is expected. I would love to see where you got your poll numbers from I seriously doubt that 60% of Americans would agree with mandatory healthcare or mandatory anything for that matter.
The whole point of my post was the precedent that was set by the decision.




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