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Republicans’ Ex-Spokesman Calls For Armed Rebellion Over Obamacare

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posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Why is it that ATS cannot have a thread where someone does not try to disparage someones religious beliefs? Here we sit in a thread about health care legislation and people use that as an opportunity to bash on someones faith, or false political choice of Republican or Democrat.
Then we wonder why the PTB can get away with illegal wars, selling arms to gun runners, illegal taxation, stripping away at a nations sovereignty, spy drones looking in on law abiding citizens, criminal wiretapping, and the list goes on and on and on.
I got to be honest sometimes this place makes me sick.




posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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I hope it doesn't call for armed rebellion--that's what "they" want!! I did not and do not have the time to read the full ten pages of this thread, so if this has already been shared, I apologize for the repeat.

Because the Supreme Court has ruled that Obamacare is a tax---the whole thing may now be invalid!! Some may recall the shenanigans used to get it passed in Congress--Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution was NOT followed:



In addition, as Dov Fischer so eloquently states, Washington will no longer be able to wield the Constitution's Commerce Clause in the future to justify federal intrusion into the personal lives of Americans:

Dove Fischer -- The Cheif Justice Done Good

www.americanthinker.com...

So, imo, there is hope still--armed rebellion should be put back on the back burner--all peaceful avenues for returning this out-of-control government to its Constitutional bounds have not yet been met! Chin up!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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I hope it doesn't call for armed rebellion--that's what "they" want!! I did not and do not have the time to read the full ten pages of this thread, so if this has already been shared, I apologize for the repeat.


That is certainly NOT what they want. They might think they want it, but they don't really. There are far too many like-minded people in law enforcement, military, alphabet agencies, etc. The government would not have the backing it thinks it has.

I hope it doesn't come to that either, but apparently in November our choice is Robamney or Robamney, so it the political process is not looking too promising.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Attorney Tommy Cryer (died a few months back) did not pay taxes and actually won his court case against the IRS.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Habit4ming
 



I hope it doesn't call for armed rebellion--that's what "they" want!! I did not and do not have the time to read the full ten pages of this thread, so if this has already been shared, I apologize for the repeat.


That is certainly NOT what they want. They might think they want it, but they don't really. There are far too many like-minded people in law enforcement, military, alphabet agencies, etc. The government would not have the backing it thinks it has.

I hope it doesn't come to that either, but apparently in November our choice is Robamney or Robamney, so it the political process is not looking too promising.



A military coup then...is that what you see rather than a popular uprising? I can see it attempted but major fail.
Coup's invariably result in greater repression of the citizenry.
edit on 29-6-2012 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by olaru12


In order to achieve real change when all elections are rigged, which many people believe, the challengers weaponry will have to be closely on par to the governments. I expect hundreds of thousands, if not millions to die in the first salvo.

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So...

Who is going to lead the "challengers"?

I don't know. Probably someone with access to a really big gun. It'll have to be big, because a little one won't do much. Hence the prediction of hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Kind of like when fire fighters set off a bomb to blow out a fire.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by sealing

Originally posted by simon2k7
I'll never understand Republican aversion to helping those in need.



Well they obviously are doing what Jesus Christ
would do, since most republicans are Christians.
Jesus would be like;
"Obama trying to help all Americans and not just billionaires again?!"
"Grab your guns Christians, we're saving EXXON first, then the Koch Bros!"
edit on 29-6-2012 by sealing because: (no reason given)


This is a response which is not based on true understanding of the teachings of Christ. Jesus never taught redistribution of the wealth by govt mandate as an answer to problems. He just precipitated the loaves and fishes right out of the Universal Supply. He also said, "The poor ye shall have with you always" John 12:8

Also, the apostle Paul said that every man shall bear his own burden. Galatians 6:5






Ooh, I'm going to have to politely
(and I mean that)
and completely disagree.

I do not know your corporate Jesus,
or your Ron Paul Jesus.
Is there a parable about pulling yourself
up from your sandal straps I'm not aware of?

IMO Jesus would not call this
a redistribution of wealth but instead,
a tiny step toward fair practices by the Insurance Lobby.

We talking about the Same Jesus?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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Guess what cable news I am watching? Hint: Blondes, boobs , and bibles.And boy, are they upset!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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No, not yet.We all should know on this board how horrible and wasteful such a thing would be.Just because I can make war doesn't mean I want to or that it should happen as the result of a bureaucratic situation.When TBTP start actually openly mass arresting and killing then we will move.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Faux Noise?

I knew it!



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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reply to post by olaru12
 



A military coup then...is that what you see rather than a popular uprising? I can see it attempted but major fail.
Coup's invariably result in greater repression of the citizenry.


No, more like a mass AWOL, LOL! I don't see anything like this happening anytime soon, but when it does happen, it will be a citizen uprising, initially quelled by military and law enforcement, but then organically supported all across the nation, and when the government attempts to massively resist, they will find themselves without troops or arms, because by then the movement will have absorbed the patriots that fight for our country, and they will be fighting on the right side of the movement.

All that is needed is a major spark, or a clear leader. We don't have even an inkling of either of those at the moment.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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2 Thessalonians Chapter 3 verse 6-10

6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by SuperFrog

Originally posted by NavyDoc
So do you feel Geico should be forced to insure your car after you have wrecked it?

Should a fit person who does not smoke be forced to pay the same rate as a smoker or someone who refuses to be fit?


Interesting comparison: So you say we should just total them all (read - have them die) before we even try to help them?

How about those with cancer or any other illness? Same thing? Why would we care?

So you would be okay if I force you to fix my car then,. YOu are selfish if you don't pony up to fix my car when I ding it up.

Where you fail is equating an objection to being forced to take care of someone else with not caring. Where you fail is to assume that a rejection of a costly government bureaucracy is the same as not caring.
edit on 29-6-2012 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by The Sword
 


That's just it. We aint going to sit down and figure anything out, because we are too busy yelling partisan pejoratives across an imaginary line in the dirt.

The left wants UAC. The right wants to let the "free-market" sort it out. Trouble is, deregulation in the 80's and 90's led us into the current crisis, which is that the real cost of healthcare, prescriptions and medicine are up nearly 500% in 30 years, while wages have remained largely flat. The "free-market" has already figured it out, and the end-game is to run every single person in the country through the shredder for their precious bits.

We already pay more per capita in the US for our healthcare, and yes -- if you are paying cash -- we are the best in the world. If you are a struggling at the average per-household income (or less) you are getting healthcare that is somewhere just north of Venezuela.

Ya damn right we could do better, but we won't, because we are divided by ridiculous ideologues and ideologies. These play us against our own best interests in the name of a mythology called "free-market capitalism" which absolutely does not exist. The real name of the game is collusion; a tiny group of people who sit on the board of directors for the top 50 multinational corporations in the world have effectively purchased legislation allowing them to kill their competition in the cradle.

The only thing we are good for is buying their junk, and only until the music stops and we run out of chairs.

What deregualtion in teh 80's and 90's? The healthcare industry is one of the most regulated industries in the nation. My practice pays tens of thousands a year just in compliance costs.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by sealing

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by sealing

Originally posted by simon2k7
I'll never understand Republican aversion to helping those in need.



Well they obviously are doing what Jesus Christ
would do, since most republicans are Christians.
Jesus would be like;
"Obama trying to help all Americans and not just billionaires again?!"
"Grab your guns Christians, we're saving EXXON first, then the Koch Bros!"
edit on 29-6-2012 by sealing because: (no reason given)


This is a response which is not based on true understanding of the teachings of Christ. Jesus never taught redistribution of the wealth by govt mandate as an answer to problems. He just precipitated the loaves and fishes right out of the Universal Supply. He also said, "The poor ye shall have with you always" John 12:8

Also, the apostle Paul said that every man shall bear his own burden. Galatians 6:5






Ooh, I'm going to have to politely
(and I mean that)
and completely disagree.

I do not know your corporate Jesus,
or your Ron Paul Jesus.
Is there a parable about pulling yourself
up from your sandal straps I'm not aware of?

IMO Jesus would not call this
a redistribution of wealth but instead,
a tiny step toward fair practices by the Insurance Lobby.

We talking about the Same Jesus?


Oh by all means, be my guest in disagreeing. After all, the USA still has relative free speech. I never called Jesus a corporatist, I merely said he did not advocate forced redistribution of income. There is a difference.
Speaking about parables how about this one...


KJV Matthew 25:14-30
(14) For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
(15) And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
(16) Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
(17) And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
(18) But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
(19) After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
(20) And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
(21) His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
(22) He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
(23) His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
(24) Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
(25) And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
(26) His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
(27) Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
(28) Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
(29) For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
(30) And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



www.web-ministry.com...

Also check the story of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes. Key word...MULTIPLICATION not DIVISION!

Have a lovely day.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by The Sword
 


That's just it. We aint going to sit down and figure anything out, because we are too busy yelling partisan pejoratives across an imaginary line in the dirt.

The left wants UAC. The right wants to let the "free-market" sort it out. Trouble is, deregulation in the 80's and 90's led us into the current crisis, which is that the real cost of healthcare, prescriptions and medicine are up nearly 500% in 30 years, while wages have remained largely flat. The "free-market" has already figured it out, and the end-game is to run every single person in the country through the shredder for their precious bits.

We already pay more per capita in the US for our healthcare, and yes -- if you are paying cash -- we are the best in the world. If you are a struggling at the average per-household income (or less) you are getting healthcare that is somewhere just north of Venezuela.

Ya damn right we could do better, but we won't, because we are divided by ridiculous ideologues and ideologies. These play us against our own best interests in the name of a mythology called "free-market capitalism" which absolutely does not exist. The real name of the game is collusion; a tiny group of people who sit on the board of directors for the top 50 multinational corporations in the world have effectively purchased legislation allowing them to kill their competition in the cradle.

The only thing we are good for is buying their junk, and only until the music stops and we run out of chairs.

What deregualtion in teh 80's and 90's? The healthcare industry is one of the most regulated industries in the nation. My practice pays tens of thousands a year just in compliance costs.





Not to butt in but,
Y'all are both very intelligent people so I want to throw my 2cents in.
You NavyDoc are indeed regulated.

But a big problem in this country
is the corporate doc in a box trying to fill the gap in care.
They take the uninsured for all their worth.
Profit and care collide. Always.

In the dental field, "Dentist in a Box" places are unregulated
in their billing practices. Especially when collecting medicare.
One of the biggest chains has been robbing you and me through our taxes.
These outlets have been caught time and time again putting stainless steel caps
on every tooth in a less fortunate child's mouth. To the tune of 4k
sometimes on a 6 year old. This happens over and over. This is
a mouth that will lose all its teeth anyway.
Why? Deregulation.
Regulation has been made a dirty word
by the Monies that be for a reason.
Just my 2 cents, carry on.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Statism is centralized control which is what the communists promote. It is part of the marxist philosophy. Centralized control involves lots and lots of regulations to allow for the Statist bureaucratic control of the means of production. This is why Democrats and leftists continually talk and talk and talk about the perils of deregulation, because private industry promoting private property is the enemy of communists and Statists.
Thanks and good luck.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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the last I looked, the majority of americans do not support it. Most of the polls I just looked at after reading your post average over fifty percent wanting obamacare repealed. If so, how is the majority supporting this?



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by sealing

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by The Sword
 


That's just it. We aint going to sit down and figure anything out, because we are too busy yelling partisan pejoratives across an imaginary line in the dirt.

The left wants UAC. The right wants to let the "free-market" sort it out. Trouble is, deregulation in the 80's and 90's led us into the current crisis, which is that the real cost of healthcare, prescriptions and medicine are up nearly 500% in 30 years, while wages have remained largely flat. The "free-market" has already figured it out, and the end-game is to run every single person in the country through the shredder for their precious bits.

We already pay more per capita in the US for our healthcare, and yes -- if you are paying cash -- we are the best in the world. If you are a struggling at the average per-household income (or less) you are getting healthcare that is somewhere just north of Venezuela.

Ya damn right we could do better, but we won't, because we are divided by ridiculous ideologues and ideologies. These play us against our own best interests in the name of a mythology called "free-market capitalism" which absolutely does not exist. The real name of the game is collusion; a tiny group of people who sit on the board of directors for the top 50 multinational corporations in the world have effectively purchased legislation allowing them to kill their competition in the cradle.

The only thing we are good for is buying their junk, and only until the music stops and we run out of chairs.

What deregualtion in teh 80's and 90's? The healthcare industry is one of the most regulated industries in the nation. My practice pays tens of thousands a year just in compliance costs.





Not to butt in but,
Y'all are both very intelligent people so I want to throw my 2cents in.
You NavyDoc are indeed regulated.

But a big problem in this country
is the corporate doc in a box trying to fill the gap in care.
They take the uninsured for all their worth.
Profit and care collide. Always.

In the dental field, "Dentist in a Box" places are unregulated
in their billing practices. Especially when collecting medicare.
One of the biggest chains has been robbing you and me through our taxes.
These outlets have been caught time and time again putting stainless steel caps
on every tooth in a less fortunate child's mouth. To the tune of 4k
sometimes on a 6 year old. This happens over and over. This is
a mouth that will lose all its teeth anyway.
Why? Deregulation.
Regulation has been made a dirty word
by the Monies that be for a reason.
Just my 2 cents, carry on.


Medicare does not cover fillings or caps nor does medicare cover children.
www.cms.gov...
www.medicareinteractive.org...

So I'd like to see a cite for the fraud listed. In addition, medical regulations have never been de-regulated, even in the 80's and 90's and regulatory burden on medical practices are even greater now than they ever were. CPT 10 codes are more restrictive than CPT 9 for example.

The new HEAT audits have everyone spinning and the cost of compliance has gone up quite a bit in the last few years. $10K for a chart review this year alone in addition to our regular compliance costs.

It is regulation that increases the cost of doing business in the medical field.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Would a documentary by PBS
called Dollars and Dentists do?

video.pbs.org...



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