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Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by habitforming
Social Security proves all of your points wrong.
And how is Social Security doing these days?
Set for insolvency I believe.
More Govt run amok with false hopes and lies.
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by habitforming
sure is ... ever been to a base state-side ??
to think we aren't protected is just plain foolishness.
raising an army and utilizing it are two very different things.
militias are raised in the State in which they reside.
they are raised and supported by the citizens of that state.
the army was Constitutionally created/crafted and financially supported by the citizens (although the method has been warped and abused).
did you think they were the same thing?
Originally posted by macman
I don't need to go back and re-read. I know what you are getting at.
Yes, other Presidents have made bad choices.
You believe wrong. SS is doing just fine, despite the Republican efforts to both loot and dismantle it. Amazing how it holds up and is quite popular.
Originally posted by habitforming
Originally posted by nenothtu
My bad. I keep forgetting that they don't teach civics in school any more, and kids these days don't know what "governing" is any longer.
"Governing" is keeping Knothead A from infringing Knothead B's rights, and providing a remedy when they are unsuccessful at that. As an example, they're there to keep you all from murdering one another, and failing that, meting out punishment to the murdering party. They're there to either prevent or remedy assaults, thefts, and the like, things that one person does which infringe on another.
They are NOT there to facilitate the theft. They are NOT there to prop up private businesses artificially when that business will fail under poor management. They are NOT there to operate charities. They are NOT there to be your mommy, wipe you nose, bandage your knee, or hug you when you fall.
Does not really sound like you know what you think it means either. All of that is pretty narrow and extremely opinionated. How about defense of the country? Are they there for that?
They're there to either prevent or remedy assaults, thefts, and the like, things that one person does which infringe on another.
Originally posted by macman
Well, that is another topic all on it's own.
But, the Govt operating as such is how it was created and designed. Not to provide every want and whim for the citizen.
Oh, and we do pay for medicine. You just want it paid for everyone, with the Govt controlling it.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by habitforming
Originally posted by nenothtu
My bad. I keep forgetting that they don't teach civics in school any more, and kids these days don't know what "governing" is any longer.
"Governing" is keeping Knothead A from infringing Knothead B's rights, and providing a remedy when they are unsuccessful at that. As an example, they're there to keep you all from murdering one another, and failing that, meting out punishment to the murdering party. They're there to either prevent or remedy assaults, thefts, and the like, things that one person does which infringe on another.
They are NOT there to facilitate the theft. They are NOT there to prop up private businesses artificially when that business will fail under poor management. They are NOT there to operate charities. They are NOT there to be your mommy, wipe you nose, bandage your knee, or hug you when you fall.
Does not really sound like you know what you think it means either. All of that is pretty narrow and extremely opinionated. How about defense of the country? Are they there for that?
Already covered, here:
They're there to either prevent or remedy assaults, thefts, and the like, things that one person does which infringe on another.
Next.
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by habitforming
You believe wrong. SS is doing just fine, despite the Republican efforts to both loot and dismantle it. Amazing how it holds up and is quite popular.
That's alarming !!
How are they doing this "dismantling" ?
Is it legislation proposals ?
Please cite and quote some verifiable examples.
TIA.
Originally posted by habitforming
Originally posted by nenothtu
So the answer is to steal MORE?
More?
How do you do math?
You wanna pay for war and no medicine.
I wanna pay for medicine and no war.
x+w-m=y
x+m-w=y
No money has been stolen from me to fund a war, but it seems they have plans to steal from me to NOT provide any health care, too. Good luck with that theft - I'll be waiting for the enforcers.
What exactly does that mean?
You do not pay taxes or you pick and choose what each and every penny goes to?
"We both" and "only I..." WHAT? Lose your train of thought there?
Why so many blank spaces at the ends of your posts? Are you trying to make them longer?
No, I did not lose my train of thought. I wrote exactly what I meant and the first part of this response right here pretty much solidifies it for me.
You have two sets of standards in your America. One for you and one for me.
Originally posted by habitforming
Not really.
If my neighbor steals my rake, that is covered under defense of the country? Or are you saying the Federal government controls local police in defense of the country?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Read carefully, grasshopper, for comprehension this time.
Defense is defense. Whether from an external threat or your thieving neighbor, it is still "defense". If you can't handle your neighbor, then by all means call a cop. If you can't handle getting blown to smithereens by an external force, then by all means call out the army. Either circumstance is an "assault, theft, or infringement" - it's only a matter of scale, and so has it's proper defense mechanism at that scale.
You did not make a distinction between local defense and national defense in your initial comment, you specified national defense. Now you want to drag in the thieving neighbor you can't handle on your own as a national issue? Are you unable to make the mental distinction between local government and national government?
Already covered, here:
They're there to either prevent or remedy assaults, thefts, and the like, things that one person does which infringe on another.
Next.
Let me put you back on track - this Obamneycare is a national issue. It's not your neighbor stealing your helpless rake.
Watch out about that changing horses in mid stream - it can get you all wet.
edit on 2012/7/13 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nenothtu
With a pencil, usually.
The PPACA doesn't take any money from war, it places another tax, which tax provides exactly nothing to the citizen.
So if you keep the taxes paying for war, and pay for war, then ADD another tax to pay for nothing, it's STILL "more", as in "more taxes", irrespective of the fact that it provides nothing in return. It does nothing to diminish war spending, or redirect that money into providing health care. It just adds another tax. You know, MORE tax.
Fixed your quote tags, so folks can figure out what's mine and what's yours.
For the comprehension impaired, it means that what I give is not "stolen". I am not going to give a penalty tax that returns exactly nothing.
You do not pay taxes or you pick and choose what each and every penny goes to?
I invite you to audit me and find out.
Is there some sort of relevant thought hidden in that sidetracking gibberish?
Then you think in meaningless gibberish. It will be difficult to hold a rational conversation with that, but I'll try.
You have two sets of standards in your America. One for you and one for me.
No. I have one standard. I will take care of myself in the best way I see fit, and allow you to do the same - but I expect reciprocity, that you will leave me alone to take care of myself as I am willing to do for you.
Originally posted by habitforming
Social Security proves all of your points wrong.
Originally posted by habitforming
Try to be clear this time.
So then defense against a plague would be perfectly legitimate, right?
I can but I am not so sure you can. As you wrote
Already covered, here:
They're there to either prevent or remedy assaults, thefts, and the like, things that one person does which infringe on another.
Next.
Everything you described there is something that happens primarily at the local level. So....?
You are off track. I never asked one question about anything called Obamneycare. You brought up what the federal government does and does not do and defense is one of them
Drink and post often?
Originally posted by habitforming
Originally posted by nenothtu
No wonder each of your posts has a "comprehension impaired" type slam in it somewhere. You cannot really read well.
Where did I ever say that the ACA took money from war?
More?
How do you do math?
You wanna pay for war and no medicine.
I wanna pay for medicine and no war.
I am not sure why you feel it does nothing for the citizen, that is not true. In fact I cited some of those things. the NPE, 80% rule, 26 year child health insurance,
and it gives me a better chance of not catching something when I go out in public because you know...there should be fewer not sick people touching things I touch.
So if you keep the taxes paying for war, and pay for war, then ADD another tax to pay for nothing, it's STILL "more", as in "more taxes", irrespective of the fact that it provides nothing in return. It does nothing to diminish war spending, or redirect that money into providing health care. It just adds another tax. You know, MORE tax.
I do not think you understood what you just replied to. I know that x+y= more than x when y is a positive value. What are you arguing?
So the answer is to steal MORE?
More?
How do you do math?
You do not pay taxes or you pick and choose what each and every penny goes to?
I invite you to audit me and find out.
How would that tell me where all of your tax dollars go?
Is there some sort of relevant thought hidden in that sidetracking gibberish?
Yes but not for comprehension-ally deficient I guess.
Then you think in meaningless gibberish. It will be difficult to hold a rational conversation with that, but I'll try.
Oh you can skip the parts at the bottom if they are too tough for you unless I go on to explain it but you cannot wait.
You have two sets of standards in your America. One for you and one for me.
Oh hey look! Yet again if you just stopped and read all the way to the end you got your answer again. I have to ask why a smart guy like you reads a paragraph and then interrupts twice to ask questions that are answered at the end?
No. I have one standard. I will take care of myself in the best way I see fit, and allow you to do the same - but I expect reciprocity, that you will leave me alone to take care of myself as I am willing to do for you.
Sorry but I live in society.The founding fathers understood what that meant
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
91 Pages later...despite some peoples efforts...Obamacare still Constitutional...Still the law of the land.
I think people need to just get used to accepting this fact.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by butcherguy
It's hilarious you are trying to compare this to Jim Crow laws.
Do you talk like this in the real world??? I don't imagine you would...you would sound highly irrational.
My point is that if one accepts something that they believe to be unfair, they must continue to live with it. If they don't accept it and do something about it, things change. Is that so difficult to understand?
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by butcherguy
It's hilarious you are trying to compare this to Jim Crow laws.
Do you talk like this in the real world??? I don't imagine you would...you would sound highly irrational.