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Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

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posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by macman
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So what is the point?
That you had to pay for a service rendered?
Or that you want everyone else to pay for services rendered?


Maybe you are confused about the point, because I was not responding to you?...See the little box above my post explaining the post I was responding to?
......ignorance on your scale takes work and I give you credit for that.
Maybe you should have responded in a U2U, if you don't want someone responding to a post that any member can read.
Is there a T&C that I'm not aware of that prevents a member from asking a question about a post?




posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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What a surprise
SOMETHING UPHELD TO TAX US MORE!
WHEN WILL THIS BULL# END?

What the # has happened to our country?

Happy 4th of July everyone, King George is smiling happily in his damn grave



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
What a surprise
SOMETHING UPHELD TO TAX US MORE!
WHEN WILL THIS BULL# END?

Good question... see below



Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
What the f**k has happened to our country?

Happy 4th of July everyone, King George is smiling happily in his damn grave

The citizens of the United States decided voting for American Idol is more important than voting for our elected officials. The citizens of the US decided to do nothing when our elected officals had a left brain hip check and decided they could spend money anyway they wanted without accountability.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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reply to post by Xcathdra
 


haven't elections been fraudulent in USA since 2001.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
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haven't elections been fraudulent in USA since 2001.


Nope they have been legal and valid.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Well there was fraud in 2000 and 2004:

www.commondreams.org...

And there are no international observers .

Also there have been reports of vote fraud in 2008 and the 2012 GOP caucuses.



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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No elections has not been valid or real, the reason is very simple, we are now a corporate dictatorship, the money interest in our nation rules politics and politicians, that money prop the right candidates and we only have the choices that are given to us

When was the last time that joe the plummer or anybody from down the street was able to run for president without the big interest money to back him up?

never so that is how you know that elections are fixed and manipulated, only those candidates that join the bang wagon of big interest can make it into politics..



posted on Jul, 4 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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with NDAA in place the us govt can murder anyone at will without warrant.These are similiar to laws found in North Korea.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by marg6043
 


with NDAA in place the us govt can murder anyone at will without warrant.These are similiar to laws found in North Korea.



Wow... I think you need to go back and read the NDAA as the claim you just made is nowhere in that legislation. Secondly the FEderal Courts have already ruled on the challenges with regards to US citizens. The judges ruled in favor of the citizens, effectively stripping the bill of the language that could have been used against US citizens.

What does the NDAA have to do with Obamacare or the court ruling?



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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reply to post by Indigo5
 

Touchy touchy there.

I, as far as I am aware, am able to respond to any and all posts here.
Maybe you should just answer the question.

What is the point of your post, stating that you had to pay money for medical services rendered?
I guess you either want it to be free to you, and/or have someone else pay for it.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by MidKnight
reply to post by kosmicjack
 


The difference though with auto insurance is... You don't have to have it. only if you want to drive do you have to have auto insurance. With the health insurance, I have no choice.


No choice = You just lost your - Freedom -.


Welcome to the iron fist of socialism.

They are hiring more agents at the IRS to terrorize the American people about the

ObamaCare mandate.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5
 


So what is the point?
That you had to pay for a service rendered?
Or that you want everyone else to pay for services rendered?


Maybe you are confused about the point, because I was not responding to you?...See the little box above my post explaining the post I was responding to?
......ignorance on your scale takes work and I give you credit for that.
Maybe you should have responded in a U2U, if you don't want someone responding to a post that any member can read.
Is there a T&C that I'm not aware of that prevents a member from asking a question about a post?


I have no issue with folks responding to an answer I provided for someone else.

But to ask "what is your point" with regards to my answer...while not reading the question I was responding to is just dumb.

The question was in regards to where I concluded that an Appendectomy costs 40K...My answer was that I paid for one out of pocket and thus know the cost. I eloborated on those details.

It is not my job to repeat myself ...it is the posters job to read what they are responding to.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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See above.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Indigo5
 


Sorry to hear your problem. And hope all is well.

But something doesn't sound quite right.

Why didn't you buy insurance after your wife's employer dropped her ?

The "preexisting" thing has been in effect already.

Why no insurance ??

If you paid the expenses out of pocket, you must have had the money ??



She was a teacher. The insurance plan that the state provided the teachers was different in the sense that Cobra did not automatically go into effect. We applied immediately to BC/BS who had administered the employer insurance...I just figured easy-peasy...tell me what a private policy costs, you have her on file etc, also Unicare as back-up when at the same time she got a result for Gyno exam that "inferred a higher risk" for cervical cancer. We got the Gyno Doc. to write a letter that the test was a false positive and not relevant...(Women on this board know the test I am talking about) still BC/BS and Unicare refused to cover her. We tried about 6 other carriers...all the same response...meanwhile her appendix exploded.

Yes...she has coverage now via the "pre-existing" conditions portion of "Obamacare". About $290 per month...But between that and when she lost coverage was when her appendixx exploded.

I will also note that she nearly died...because she was aware that she didn't have Health Coverage, she tried to tough it out thinking it was some horrible stomache flu. By the time she had our child dial 911 because she was doubled over on the kitchen floor, the infection had spread throughout her internal organs.

The surgeon said it was the worst case of appendix related infection of internal organs he had seen in his 20 years ..."at least in a living body".

As far as "having the money"...we made due with credit cards and I am still paying them off and will be for a couple more years. I am fortunate that I had that option, Medical Bills has been the NUMBER ONE cause of bankruptcey filings for a decade now in the USA.

Let me know if you have other questions Xue..
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posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Good response.

My concern was mainly about any "delays" in the pre existing program.

I see now it wasn't "immediate".

Some "COBRA" options in some states are "immediate" and simply continue from the policy that was lost for any reason.

The P/E programs vary widely from state to state.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Indigo5
 


Good response.

My concern was mainly about any "delays" in the pre existing program.



Just an FYI...the program required us to provide copies of Drivers Liscense front and back, full 10 page application, copies of denial letters from insurers and doctors records as to what the denial was regarding.

After that, the policy is about 30%-50% more expensive then what she could have gotten on the private market if she didn't have the denials...which are shared amongst insurers (blacklist).

Otherwise, BC/BS became aware of her "Abnormal" test result...but Unicare didn't even ask for medical records, they just cited the "Abnormal" test result which we hadn't been asked for or provided. Ditto other insurers we applied to. I had one conversation with a Unicare rep asking WTF since I thought medical records were "Private" and they said when you sign off on the application you give them the right to investigate your medical history and one of the first places is a centralized insurers "list" of denials...one place denies you...everyone knows why and does the same..blacklisted and all the explaining in the world doesn't matter.

The same test that showed her having a higher risk of Cervical Cancer?...the next 3 tests showed the opposite..false positive. BC/BS said they would need 3 years of clean tests with no false positives before re-applying.

We will try that some day as the Pre-existing program is by no means a hand-out and more expensive than a private policy...but less expensive than paying for the unexpected out of pocket....so grateful to have her insured. Cancer screenings..mamograms and preventive exams are fully covered, no co-pay.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
I have no issue with folks responding to an answer I provided for someone else.

Obviously you do.


Originally posted by Indigo5
But to ask "what is your point" with regards to my answer...while not reading the question I was responding to is just dumb.

Dumb in your mindset I guess.



Originally posted by Indigo5
The question was in regards to where I concluded that an Appendectomy costs 40K...My answer was that I paid for one out of pocket and thus know the cost. I eloborated on those details.

Ok then. Still, in your response had alot of aspects of complaining.




Originally posted by Indigo5
It is not my job to repeat myself ...it is the posters job to read what they are responding to.

Or just get all touchy about a question asked.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
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Good response.

My concern was mainly about any "delays" in the pre existing program.

I see now it wasn't "immediate".


Just to clarify...The Pre-Existing program was not in effect when she lost her insurance or when her appendix exploded. When we did apply she was accepted within 3 weeks.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Diisenchanted
First off i would like to say congratulations to all of you who wanted this tax to pass.
I would like you all to know that i personally haven't been to the doctor since 1992.
I used the calclator to calculate how much it would cost me under this new tax . Big suprise it will cost me nothing, only because of my income bracket.
I personally did not want this new tax. So to those of you out there who wanted this. Thank you for paying for my medical for me, and for those of you who didn't want this new tax I just wanted to say I'm sorry for bestowing this burden on you. Please forgive me.


Actually....it costs society a lot more for you to NOT have medical care than to pay the lousy insurance premium.

Let's say you get cancer. Given that you haven't been to a Dr. in 20 yrs the likelihood for early detection is basically zero, thus negating the possibility for the simple removal of a single localized tumor. By the time the tumor is you will be either terminal or pretty close to it. Then Medicaid kicks in to provide you with about $500,000 worth of chemo, intensive care, radiology, etc. so that you can live the last year or two of your life in utter misery.

We trade the $2,000/yr of insurance costs for a half million dollars worth of "Hail Mary" treatments.

This is just plain STUPID. Think about it like a vehicle for a second. Oil changes, filter replacements, transmission & radiator flushes, tire rotation, etc can all get to be pretty expensive over the course of a year. But spending $500 per year on maintenance is a lot cheaper than letting the engine seize up or running the vehicle into the ground before you're done paying it off.

That being said...I think the whole ObamaCare bill as it's been passed is frickin' catastrophe...but the basic theory of taxation paying for medical care (ESPECIALLY basic and preventative medical care) should pretty much a no-brainer. Even in a case where someone racks up a couple hundred thousand dollars of medical bills and simply files bankruptcy the losses of those companies is merely passed on to the rest of us, thus increasing costs overall.



posted on Jul, 5 2012 @ 09:26 PM
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ok whatever, but i know my circumstances, do you know yours ?
at least i can "negotiate" my health care expenses, have you ever bothered to try?

so, are you volunteering to "let me gamble with your money?"
if so, i could use a bonus for a Vegas trip later this year.
[ heck, i might be able to win enough to cover your appendectomy fiasco and my burial ]

not getting into the disparity between health procedure expenses charged to insurance companies vs health care procedures charged directly to patients, cause you've already made it clear that you have never experienced healthcare withOUT insurance so what do you know about it ??

cancer or heart disease ??
guess you aren't too familiar with my medical history so don't make too many assumptions or some of us may be motivated to prove you wrong.
(my last ER trip was complete in less than 2 hrs with a "life threatening" injury and at a total expense of $600)


Did you miss the "public" part...yes...if YOU can't pay they will still treat you...and the rest of us...the "Public" picks up the bill both through inflated costs in our own bills and through tax-dollars.

nope, i didn't miss it but apparently you refuse to see the part that says I'M paying for it, whether or NOT i use it.
so do tell, what changes that fact ??


If you "Managing your risk" means pretending you are immortal and invulnerable and sticking the rest of us with the bill when your deluded self realizes you are still able to get sick or have your appendix burst...then your risk is my risk...ACA creates a legitmate "pool" to reduce those costs and risks associated with invulnerability delusion and makes sure the taxpayer and the rest of us aren't stuck with the inflated bill for that delusion.
since you clearly have no clue, i'll just pretend you do know what you're talking about, k ?
btw, ACA legislation has nothing to do with Obamacare, PPACA ... but you keep thinking they are the same



You are required to have an insurance policy. That policy is not required to cover stupid activities and rarely does with the exception of high paying occupations...Like Blackwater Contractors...and then those policies cost an enormous amount. The average policy does not cover those stupid activities
you are truly confused as i am not even "required" to obtain a driver license.
heck, even auto insurance to cover the "un-insured" is an OPTION, not a requirement.
and, i sure don't require insurance to BE a daredevil ... if i don't have it, you'll pay anyway and that's a fact, jack.
so, we are right back to ... what changes?

actually, your MSM link has nothing to do with ACA but rather PPACA which are 2 different legislations.
when you figure out the difference, perhaps then you can form a more balanced opinion of the matter.

fyi ... ACA legislation says ...

acalegislation.com...
National in scope, ACA maintains an active presence on both state and federal levels with issues affecting the canine industry. On request, ACA will provide legislative updates and concise evaluations of bills relevant to the canine industry.
Staff from ACA are available nationwide to speak with industry groups, address topics of legislative concern, and suggest positive positions and strategies which enhance canine issues. ACA is also proud to devote time and personnel to presenting programs which focus on the right of dog ownership and service dog regulations under the American Disabilities Act (ADA).
now, maybe you consider yourself subject to "dog" laws, but i do not.



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