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Originally posted by butcherguy
Taxpayers giving them some money to pay is hardly 'chipping in for themselves', it is us paying their way.
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
The entire bill isn't magically converted into a revenue bill...one part of the bill was upheld Constitutional because it is a tax, and always was a tax.
If enforcement of the mandate was, as you say, always a tax please answer me this:
Why did the Supreme Court take the case?
A tax must be fully enacted before it is allowed to be brought before the SCOTUS.
Did the POTUS lie?
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Originally posted by habitforming
Originally posted by nenothtu
Two questions, keeping in mind that I AM "the uninsured":
1) How, exactly, are you "paying for"me? If you can be convincing and specific enough, maybe I'll have to send you a refund, eh?
When someone with no insurance gets cancer, is hit by a truck, suffers a heart attack, who do you think picks up the tab?
2) What is it about this legislation that makes you think it will "make sure" that I do anything differently from the way I do things already?
Nothing can make you stop being a freeloader who fails to contribute to the society he benefits from.
Extra credit question: Are you able, ever, to reply to someone without attempts at condescension and name-calling?
What name did I call you?
Here is a question for you. Do you think you should only pay for firemen and police when you yourself actually use them?
Originally posted by THEDUDE86
reply to post by TheRedneck
recessions don't last forever...so based on your logic this will be pretty good once the economy goes forward
I believe this will drive down medical cost, as it has in Massachusetts
Originally posted by RainbeauBleu
reply to post by Classified Info
What do they do with people who are in auto accidents and severely injured if they don't accept medical help? Just wondering. The Amish don't use cars (or they didn't used to). Scientologists do. What's the hospital policy? Kill them? Let them die on a stretcher somewhere without care? Do they let the family take the mangled person home to let them die?
which "they" ? what does whom do with them ??
What do they do with people who are in auto accidents and severely injured if they don't accept medical help?
if they were not transported to the hospital, they are not dying on a stretcher somewhere without care.
Let them die on a stretcher somewhere without care?
again, this depends on "whom", the responding officers can "Baker Act" the party if necessary. The responding EMTs have the authority to act on your behalf if you are unconscious. Passengers or family or by-standers can remove you from the scene if you refuse any treatment and are not detained by authorities.
Do they let the family take the mangled person home to let them die?
Originally posted by clearmind
that said i would just assume that by not 'rescueing' herself, she is admitting that she made no comments during her time as solicitor general about the healthcare reform cases at the time...what does everybody think?
i'm leaning towards practice ??
Why is the DOJ hiding her involvement if it was not substantial?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Don't know, don't care. It's not me. If it's you, maybe you ought to look after that. That still doesn't answer my question - how exactly are YOU paying for ME?
nice try dear but, history is just that, history.
That's your job...you make the claim...you back it up. You don't ask everyone else to go prove your own claim.
ABSOLUTELY and i'm wondering if there is a time limiting statute regarding such action.
Do you think the DOJ should be investigated for violating the FOIA law since their refusal to release documents come no where close to the exemptions for national security in place?
funny that you would think she should.
Funny...I don't see her mention the ACA specifically in there anywhere.
so, why are you now demanding proof of your fantasies ??
Now that's odd...because that's what I asked for.
not necessarily, however, withholding ALL documents relating to the speculation of impropriety is extremely indicative of guilt and in this case, could encompass unlawful execution of her duties on the Court.
so is makeing no comment about wheather or not one said or didnt say anything on a subject..the same has ADMITTING that one did or didnt not say anything on a subject?
this ^^^^ is more than assumption, it's likely.
i would just assume that by not 'rescueing' herself, she is admitting that she made no comments during her time as solicitor general about the healthcare reform cases at the time...what does everybody think?
Originally posted by habitforming
Originally posted by nenothtu
Don't know, don't care. It's not me. If it's you, maybe you ought to look after that. That still doesn't answer my question - how exactly are YOU paying for ME?
We already had this dance. This is where I asked if you were born at home and dad did all the medical work. I also asked if you were ever in the US military. I asked if you got your shots as a kid. You ignored my questions but not me.
Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by LastProphet527
I dont think you understand what Charity is . It isnt Charity if your forced to give it ......
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The Charity of the Bible is that the Lord will provide and to let the person in need come into your field and pick the fruit he needs himself and then leave , not for me to do it for him.edit on 28-6-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
It has always been roughly 50/50 for those who supported/opposed. Recently that opposed percent has gone up due to Republican propaganda about the mandate being Unconstitutional. Well the SCOTUS decided that for them...so I suspect the percent of those that oppose this will go down.
No.
SCOTUS ruled the mandate to be unconstitutional. What they have ruled to be constitutional is the levying of a new tax. The mandate was forcing purchase via the interstate commerce clause. Now there is no mandate to purchse, but a big stick tax to beat us with if we choose not to. we can still make that choice - there is no provision to enforce the mandate under interstate commerce.
If it goes back to being a "not tax" but a mandate instead as it was first billed and insisted to be the case by Dear Leader himself in order to sell it, then it becomes unconstitutional again.
Bait and switch, anyone?
edit on 2012/6/30 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)