Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by texasgirl
My good friend is upset about this because he is unemployed and hearing impaired. His big complaint is that he is now forced to buy insurance and most insurance plans don't even cover hearing loss. What a ripoff!

If he is unemployed, he will qualify for Medicaid.

You should comfort him by providing him with facts.

Untrue you liar, you can't get medicaid unless your are 65 or older

What are general Medicaid eligibility requirements?

To meet the general Medicaid requirements for long term care services you must:

Be age 65 or older
Medicaid Requirements

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by marg6043

 

and law that allows the Government to assess penalties for not paying the tax.

How exciting! Yes we know!

We get the

- largest tax increase in U.S. History, and if we dont pay it we get fined!

Wheeeeee!!!!!!!!

Medicare quality health care for everyone, Huge Tax increase and a Penalty to boot!

What a platform for November!

edit on 28-6-2012 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

reply to post by marg6043

Like I said before, congress will have to define the tax provision now been imposed with the rewording of the mandate.

It is already defined as a tax, inserted into the Internal Revenue Code...and Congress passed it.



Continuing to repeat it isn't going to make it true.

Find me one source...just ONE...that claims what you say is true besides your phantom "government radio" program.

I hope americans keep stockpiling guns and ammo and are ready to kick some ass for liberty. You're government is completely out of control and are invading the lives of everyone with their mandatory BS.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by stanguilles7
The amount of spin from the Right to frame this as 'socialist is retarded. It's a pro-business giveaway to the insurance industry. The final legislation is a shell of what Obama originally proposed, mainly because of the blue/yellow dogs in congress.

The funny thing is that they claim that it is both socialist and a hand out to corporations.

They confuse me.

The difference is that it actually IS a handout to corporations.

Regardless, they benefit from it being upheld. What would they do if they couldnt rail against 'obamacare'?

reply to post by beezzer


I wasn't going to vote this elections after the failure of Obama promises, but rest assure I will now.

Specially when I already can see what his Obama care is doing to the military retirees like my husband, we already are experiencing the health care increases to come, already we are paying triple for prescription drugs since last month and soon the insurance fees are to double all thanks to Obama and his affordable care, what a joke.

Hell yeah I am voting in November for Obama repeal, people have no clue what is heading their way with Obama care specially if you already pay for health insurance

So help me to understand this.

If I go to the doctor now for something like tendonitis, then I still have to pay all the regular bs and NOW I have to pay a tax too if I don't have medical insurance?

How does this make sense as something other than a money siphon?

so today 'they' have said..in order to be a free american, you must be registered and insured. all those low wage workers, whos companies they work for that cant afford a healthcare plan will now have to go to thier local county and register for thier local 'general medical assistance' or if they make just a bit tooo much will have to find a healthcare plan and shell out a couple hundred extra a month. did obama say that healthcare will now be affordable? did he say that private insurance companies will now lower thier rates to make it affordable? and what happens if you decide you dont want to pay the mandate..err, sorry..tax? jailtime buddy.....

that said what about 'alternative medicine'? not covered now..sooo..gunna have to pay the insurance company AND pay out of pocket for your 'alternative healthcare'

i wonder what they will mandate next??

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by stanguilles7
The amount of spin from the Right to frame this as 'socialist is retarded. It's a pro-business giveaway to the insurance industry. The final legislation is a shell of what Obama originally proposed, mainly because of the blue/yellow dogs in congress.

All Obama has to do is nationalise the insurance companies. . . .

Yes, that is exactly the sort of nonsense 'socialist' claims from the GOP i am referring to. Thank you for the example.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by marg6043

 

Marg, I understand where you are coming from but it is, as Outkast has without exhaustion explained, already legislated.

26 U. S. C. §5000A(g)(1)

"The penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68."

Subchapter B of chapter 68 is provisions and law that allows the Government to assess penalties for not paying
the tax.

What is the penalty for?
Not the one from Subchapter B of chapter 68, the first one.

The private sector will also have to adapt. In addition to the new federal regulatory structure for health insurance companies that are selling plans to individuals, families and small businesses, the law is packed with provisions designed to change the way health care is delivered and financed. The aim is to streamline the system by cutting waste, improving safety and using Medicare's clout over the market to direct payments to treatments that are most effective and efficient.

It's gonna cost truckloads of money just to get obamacare in action for 'streamlining'. I really do hope it works but...

"Whether it actually will make care better for patients and reduce costs, we still don't really know," Berwick said. "This industry still has got to go through a massive change in the way it does its work so that patients are better off and costs fall at the same time, and we don't yet know if the leadership and capacity and will to do that actually lies within the system."

Guess we will have to "wait and see". I have no faith in the 'leadership'. I fear this will be a major fail.

Link

reply to post by coop039


Exactly coop. I could see if this was a true health care bill, but it wasn't. This is a Insurance program that you have to purchase. That's not healthcare and the liars will spin it to you to make it seem like healthcare. Mark my words in 5 years there will be a congressional oversight on how the health insurance premiums for everyone goes up 200% from today. In my state alone we have raised Blue Cross Blue Shield 500% in 5 years on our citizens. Don't be fooled, this will happen in your state too.

reply to post by TWISTEDWORDS


*sigh*

Read the law...he will qualify for Medicaid under the Health Care Law.

Now if his State is one of the States that decides not to expand the coverage as laid out under the law...then he is screwed and he can thank his GOP Governor for that.

reply to post by burntheships


You know I have to agree with those that think that the Supreme court ruling coming from Roberts was brilliant but not for what many think was a win on Obama care, people doesn't understand that he just won the presidency for Romney, I can see already the panicking tax payers running to vote for him in order to keep the IRS "healthcare (gestapo) I mean enforces" out of their paychecks and backs

Just brilliant Justice Roberts wording was just brilliant.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

Thanks for the link.

But obviously you gotta understand I consider this a non-issue since healthcare is already free for poor people in the USA. So of course I'm really confused about what is going to change if anything. Seems like most talk around the issue is pure politics and hyperbole. Forgive me for not trusting other's opinions so much.

You miss the point. PArt of the aim of Obama's initial legislation was to relieve the cost to the state by taking that emergency-room 'healthcare' off their hands.

Plus consider : why would I waste all day for years researching this crap when I have 500000 other conspiracies to research which are actually fun and mysterious? Just letting you know my reasoning why I am not an expert on this particular issue.

Oh, I don.t know. Maybe to be informed about an issue you are offering your opinion on?

Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL,

Well aint that a kick in the head.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by burntheships

 

You know I have to agree with those that think that the Supreme court ruling coming from Roberts was brilliant but not for what many think was a win on Obama care, people doesn't understand that he just won the presidency for Romney, I can see already the panicking tax payers running to vote for him in order to keep the IRS "healthcare (gestapo) I mean enforces" out of their paychecks and backs

Just brilliant Justice Roberts wording was just brilliant.

Have to admit, that thought crossed my mind, as well -

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


sigh all you want to....

Little do you know I work in the insurance department in my state for the state. You don't have all the facts. You are speaking from a political standpoint and nothing more.

You do not know what each state is doing right now. I can tell you in my state the commissioners have already gone into closed session to discuss this and my governor opposes this. So you are wrong advising this person on what to do.

You simply do not know everything going on.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by burntheships

 

You know I have to agree with those that think that the Supreme court ruling coming from Roberts was brilliant but not for what many think was a win on Obama care, people doesn't understand that he just won the presidency for Romney, I can see already the panicking tax payers running to vote for him in order to keep the IRS "healthcare (gestapo) I mean enforces" out of their paychecks and backs

Just brilliant Justice Roberts wording was just brilliant.

Yes...I understand you are all looking for a silver lining.

Whatever helps you sleep better at night.

I honestly don't care if Romney gets elected...his repeal propaganda is empty...to repeal it he would have to kick millions of people off of their insurance and leave them on the street. Plus...he would need a super majority in the Senate...not gonna happen.

The Healthcare Law is here to stay...regardless of what Romney campaigns on.

reply to post by marg6043



You are right Marg, I have a friend whos husband has to pay 7,000 a month for shots, and 150.00 out of their pocket every four shots,
I would just have to die.