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Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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The problem is that in order to stand as a tax it have to be approved by vote in congress.

Congress so far has been adamant on approving new taxes as this will become another Federal tax like the one we pay now on Medicare and Medicaid aka entitlement programs.

While certain provisions of Obama care stands the mandate is not, at least until the wording is change and approved by congress.

Things are going to become very interesting.



It was voted on, it was passed.

It was always a tax, it was always enforced by the IRS, Republcans have been saying it is a tax forever...and now that it is found Constitutional as a tax...you all of a sudden say it was never a tax and needs to be re-passed???

The SCOTUS says it is Constitutional...they didn't block it from being implemented...the bill was passed legitimetely.

Deal with the reality of the situation.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Yes, when using baseline budgeting.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not going to go into constitutional law debate now but you are correct and spot on, specially with elections coming up, so while some provisions of the obama care are ready to go, that littler part of the health care will be on the table in congress after elections.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Why did Roberts correct this then in his statement?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Ive seen a few calculators for this. Im not sure which is which.
But this one:

savejobs.org...

Says my taxes out of my paycheck will go up $264 or $100 .

Is there a comphensive calculator out there yet?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
The problem is that in order to stand as a tax it have to be approved by vote in congress.


It was argued as such and because the Constitutionality of the "Mandate" was in question, all sides of the Government's arguments were heard; including it is a tax and under proper enumerated powers of Congress.

The *PPAC Act already has the provision that it is a tax; it was just that the Government had to fight all angles and it won on the tax angle.
edit on 28-6-2012 by ownbestenemy because: Corrected acronym



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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I think we have been through this time already - oh well history repeats -- the more things change the more they stay the same - and a haundred other cliche's. listen to the words of Winston Churchill -

edit on 28-6-2012 by 1BornPatriot because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by MrXYZ
 


Yes, when using baseline budgeting.



Look, fact is, military spending grew between the time Bush was in power and now.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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And the use of Baseline Budgeting is the normal.

Sure sure then, sure sure.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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I know, I got the entire understanding of what is going on with the Supreme court ruling on a government news radio news, they were very good expaining while it was not such a win as many are claiming for Obma care on the mandate people will not be very happy with a new tax.

I guess I will be voting for Romney this time around in election day.

Obama is not going to win the elections.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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And the use of Baseline Budgeting is the normal.

Sure sure then, sure sure.


So you are mad he hasn't grown it as much as Bush on a % basis??


I guess someone doesn't give a rat's ass about the budget



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I know, I got the entire understanding of what is going on with the Supreme court ruling on a government news radio news, they were very good expaining while it was not such a win as many are claiming for Obma care on the mandate people will not be very happy with a new tax.

I guess I will be voting for Romney this time around in election day.

Obama is not going to win the elections.



Here I agree. It puts a huge mountain in front of President Obama especially when he was out stumping for the Act as not a tax and that new taxes won't be involved. But as it is now, my choice not to engage in a marketplace will be penalized and I will be taxed for not engaging in commerce.

Chief Roberts' arguments on this doesn't really baffle me and that is why Ginsberg dissented in his reasoning. Congressional powers were reigned in and the plenary power to tax as enumerated was upheld and confirmed.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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...and the poor get even more poor.


AMERICA.


Did anyone that decided to pass this think about the unemployment rate, or despression in general?


I feel like they're trying to force citizens to play the revolution card. For what reason? I have no idea. Maybe a history buff that knows a bout the first American Revolution can chime in on what led up to that particular event, and find some correlation between then and now. This is just my opinion though! Something just smells kind of funky about the decions being made as of late by TPTB.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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No, I want Govt control, spending and restrictions to be pulled back.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by dxdydz
 


Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not going to go into constitutional law debate now but you are correct and spot on, specially with elections coming up, so while some provisions of the obama care are ready to go, that littler part of the health care will be on the table in congress after elections.



You can say it as many times as you want...but everything was upheld except for withholding Medicaid funding.

The penalty has always been written in the Internal Revenue Code...it was passed as a "tax"...it is not a tax on everyone...it is a tax as a penalty.

I've always argued they did it backwards...they should have taxed everyone and granted tax credits for having health insurance...instead they taxed no one and only apply the tax if you don't have health insurance.

I don't know who you listened to...and I dont' know what "government radio" is...but they are just wrong.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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The way I understood it is this is a tax and if you don't purchase this crap, the IRS WILL TAX YOU FOR IT!!!!

If that's the case then raise OUR WAGES!!!!!



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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People are short-sighted, that is one problem. This bill is so complex and so huge, it's hard to believe more problems will not be created... government does not solve problems. It shuffles money around, nothing more.

Billions is spend on lobbying, this is not done to help people. It is done to help those lobbying. Big pharma wrote the bill, politicians/presidents don't know nearly enough about business to be able to make prudent decisions yet they pass gigantic overwhelming bills.... which overwhelm citizens.

The common man will almost always lose out in present time and going forward with any new bills that are passed. You can guarantee this because like I said politicians don't know much so corporations must advise and/or write bills, and corporations don't and will never try to protect the common man.... they will always try to protect their profits.

It's just sad that people are ruled by liars and sellouts.

All slaves are treated equally.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by macman
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Why did Roberts correct this then in his statement?



It would help if you explained what you are talking about.

Source?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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The Obamacare was a mess to beging with and now will become his doom for retaining the presidency, Romney will win the elections base on the Obama care repeal that he is already launching as his new candidacy base line.

So actually what the supreme court did with their misleading ruling (wording) is nothing but handling the presidency to Romney.

While some think that Obama got a win is far from true, many just will understand what they want to understand disregarding the hidden agendas behind the whole issue.

I can pretty much say that Republicans will be in the white house after November.

Is going to be a healthcare reform but is not going to be Obamacare is going to become Romney's legacy.



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