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Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Do you still get free Obama Care in FEMA camps?




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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reply to post by underduck
 


Thank you for your honesty and reply.

Anyone else? So it seems Obama did incorrectly peg it?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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The bill as written cannot pass Constitutional muster. The individual mandate has been struck down, but it has also been allowed to stand in another form: as a tax. That means that every person in the country will now be required to pay a tax for insurance in addition to all the other taxes we pay.


Wow...you couldn't be more wrong.

It was always a penalty administered as a tax by the IRS.

Only people who decide not to be responsible and buy health insurance will pay the tax...not every single person




That includes every person whether they are for or against this law, whether they are insured or not. Taxes must by definition be applied equally.


You are SOOOOOO wrong.

There are many taxes that only apply to a subset of people. Capital gains tax, SS tax, inheritance tax, AMT tax.

I can't decide if you are truly this mis-informed or if you are just trying to spread false information.


The allowance for private insurance can be left standing, but only via tax credits based on insurance costs already paid. That means if you have health care paid for by your employer, it probably won't count; you didn't pay it. Your employer may get some tax benefits for it, since they paid it. I doubt that, however.


Now you are just completely making things up that aren't anywhere in the bill.

This is pathetic.


It means that, as a primary insurer, the Federal government will now decide what procedures are covered and what are not. I hope they do a better job than the insurers; I do not expect such.


OMG...your entire post should be removed as a HOAX.

I can't believe people are this ignorant to the facts.

Seriously...Sarah Palin's Death Panels???? Unbelievable.



No, I won't debate this, because there is nothing more to debate.





So much false information...just pathetic.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Fighting chance???? SO.........they were denied Medical Services Before this????

Or it's ok since others will carry more of the burden?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure that feeling many of you are feeling today will be repeated in Nov. Years of preaching about this law being unconstitutional preaching the AFP cool aid and other right wing money and the propaganda campaign just failed in a huge way despite the court leaning to the right.

I'm shocked that the court ruled in the favor of the law with so much resources put into the campaign to hate it.

Wow!


edit on 28-6-2012 by LDragonFire because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by the4thhorseman

Most of us here are covered by insurance...the costs are so high because we give out free healthcare to those that don't pay at ALL. Plus were are already paying for the uninsured its called Medicaid and the sad thing is with that its not even going to American citizens...


You forgot MadiCare, SCHIP, Welfare and ILLEGALs skipping out on their bill, so the Hospital needs to try to right if off.

SCOTUS deemed the Penalty a TAX.


YEP..were SCREWED



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by spinalremain
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If you have health insurance then why would your taxes go up?


When others can't pay, where do the funds come from? If they are deemed exempt from the TAX, where does other money come from to make up the difference?



Oh you mean the way it's been for decades.

Right now your taxes and healthcare will not be affected. Those who used to go to ER to leech will have insurance now either way.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by THEDUDE86
MURDOCH on fox news just said that since this passed medical expenses will go down


so for all you extremist who keep saying the end of healthcare is coming. why not listen to one of your own


I don't understand why it would. Our hospital is closing down here all but 8 beds and no emergency room Dr anymore they are saying and that is with the costs high.

When people have insurance, the cost of any given procedure billed to an insurance company is ten times higher then if you paid cash. So if all health care goes through insurance companies it should raise all costs.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Private health insurance has failed too many people. It has failed because even if you have insurance, pay every dime of co-pays, deductibles, etc., you still go broke and lose everthing with a major illness or accident, so what is insurance good for? This country will go socialism if private companies continue to make their products inaccessible to millions of americans.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss
Do you still get free Obama Care in FEMA camps?


If Free Means Forced? Yeah. You do.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Can moderators get applause from other mods? Your post should !!



Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
People's tax will only go up if they choose for it to go up.
Of course...they could just be a responsible member of society and buy health insurance.

You really believe that?

There are millions of poor people in this country that can't afford to pay this new tax. But they still will need health care. So guess who will end up paying for them? ALL OF US. Either by paying their TAX and/or paying their emergency room bills that they can't pay for themselves.

We can't afford to pay for ourselves AND for them as well.
And then there are the big left wing organizations that Obama gave poltiicaly payoff waivers to.
The economy can't sustain Obamacare. It simply can't. UNSUSTAINABLE

As far as your comment 'being a responsible member of society' and buying into the gov't insurance ... man that smacks of socialism and typical left wing intolerance of anything that doesn't agree with their own nanny-state agenda. So, by being too poor to buy into this government product or simply deciding for youself that you don't need to spend the money on insurance because you are young and healthy, it's not being a responsible member of society ??

This is AMERICA ... not socialist Europe.
Or at least it used to be.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Again.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Well you sure did miss the other 2 paragraphs of that post, didn't you?
Most clearly aren't denied (Basic) medical services. If I really must spell it out for you then okay:
The poor now have a chance not to be absolutely obliterated by debt if they end up getting something like a serious Auto-Immune disease or Cancer.


Congratulations! Your Cancer has finally been cleared, Now ...About that 90 grand



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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That is what I am afraid of. This could leave many Americans myself included with a tax penalty that we cannot afford. Then what?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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UK chap here.
I would like to congratulate the Supreme Court for actually ruling correctly.

I could never understand why Prisoners were afforded better medial care than an honest citizen.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by spinalremain

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by spinalremain
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If you have health insurance then why would your taxes go up?


When others can't pay, where do the funds come from? If they are deemed exempt from the TAX, where does other money come from to make up the difference?



Oh you mean the way it's been for decades.

Right now your taxes and healthcare will not be affected. Those who used to go to ER to leech will have insurance now either way.


If you mean an increase in Taxes as the way it's been? Then yes.

People are not getting the connection. Just because the Govt provides something, does not in any way mean it is free. Someone, or many Someones had to be TAXED to pay for it.
So, are ILLEGALS covered under this crap now too?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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It is interesting that no one here, that is for this ruling, will address the issue of the people who pay cash for all of their medical services. If they don't want or need health insurance, why do they have to pay a penalty? That is exactly why it is a tax. For some, this is another tax increase, how is that not so?

And, they will be required to pay for others usage of healthcare insurance, even if they don't want the insurance themselves, or pay a penalty. Why?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Thank god the government is in charge of my health now...what with their track record and all. what could possibly go wrong?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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I am curious, since you seem to support this ruling. If I hear you correctly, you are not really calling this a "tax". My inlaws don't have health insurance. My father-in-law is self-employed, and does very well for himself. He pays cash for all of his medical treatments, even surgery. He does not need health insurance. So, under this ruling, he will either have to get insurance, or he will pay a tax(penalty). How is this not affecting him and many others who don't have insurance in a financial way? He will pay more in taxes/penalties, and penalized for paying cash?


It's exactly people like your inlaws that cause our healthcare costs to go up.

Unless your father inlaw is a millionaire (I'm talking like Romney rich)....there will most likely come a day when he has a major medical issue...days or weeks in the hospital...expensive procedures or tests...and at that point he isn't going to have the cash to pay for it. Then the hospital has to eat the cost...and raise their prices on all their services to make up for the costs that they were forced to eat because of your father in law.


Now...if you say that will never happen because your father in-law is very wealthy and can pay for it all....then for you to say this is going to negatively affect him is dis-honest.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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It was UPHELD in entirety...and it WILL BE a TAX.



It was stated that the IRS will enforce this 'law' and will impose penalties and jail sentences on individuals who do not comply.

Well, there you have it. What quality of healthcare we had is now headed down the drain...longer lines, less personability with your physician....the same difference between public and private schools...

One of the dissenting justices (Scalia, I think) brought up the infamous 'broccoli' argument...

"What will congress do next- force us to eat broccoli because they think it is good for us?"



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