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Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
HUGE victory for Obama.


Huge victory for corporatists! I guess liberals don't really hate corporations after all.

I am appalled and disgusted at our SCOTUS. They have just ruled that we are required to fund corporations. You get this, right? Obamacare requires us to give billions of dollars to huge, bloated insurance corporations and dangerous, horribly immoral pharmaceutical corporations.

/TOA


Right on!

This is NOT a victory for the political left. At all!
This is a victory for those receiving the business. The business we are forced to do now.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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You mean funding that doesnt actually exist?


Would you like to explain why the funding doesn't exist???



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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What I don't understand is how people who have always wanted insurance, but cannot afford it, can hardly pay their electric bills and eat, will suddenly be able to buy insurance just because a law ordered it.


Because an expanded pool of subscribers spreads the risk around. This would allow the insurance companies to charge lower rates. The rates would need to be competitive because insurance would be offered on brokered exchanges, where consumers could choose the company that charges the least for the most coverage. In practice, of course, consumers will not be able to understand what is on offer and go with the company with the cutest mascot. I chose my auto insurance based on a sexy cartoon female superspy. Wouldn't you?
edit on 28-6-2012 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


You're right. It doesn't raise taxes on everyone. Just those of us who make more than the minimum allowed for Medicare. So that means over 12 million people will get it for free, and the rest of us will be paying for it.


Only if you decide not to cover yourself with health insurance.

And you should be taxed if you decide to put the burden on the rest of us.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Absolutely.
Starting the investigation process next week.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


And just what the frick do you call it??
It is socialized medicine, just under cover of another name.


Socialized medicine does not include the use of private health insurance.

Would you like to explain why it is socialized medicine?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Two comments or observations to make. I know it isn't exactly apples to apples here, but we have a law regarding insurance requirements for automobiles, boats, snowmobiles, jetskis, motorcycles, etc. There isn't a single vehicle on the road (exaggeration, I know) that isn't or shouldn't be registered and insured, including a licensed driver! Its funny that we are mandated to maintain car insurance but something as significant as health insurance is only recently an issue? Just sounds silly when I say it out loud.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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With this newly imposed tax, I think the Tea Party just got stronger.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Since most insurance companies require that you visit a doctor for a physical or checkup as part of getting the insurance does this mean in addition to having to purchase health insurance I now also have to visit a doctor?


Not necessarily, as the bill requires insurance companies to accept all comers, regardless of previous conditions. That is the part the insurance industry doesn't like.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by spinalremain
 


This bill puts private companies out of business and moves everyone to government health care.

As for blinders / partisan not even close... The Government should not be able to tell a person what they have to buy.
edit on 28-6-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)


From what I have heard it will cause the huge insurance companies to get a lot bigger, people will be forced, and businesses will be forced to BUY insurance from existing insurance companies.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


You're right. It doesn't raise taxes on everyone. Just those of us who make more than the minimum allowed for Medicare. So that means over 12 million people will get it for free, and the rest of us will be paying for it.


Only if you decide not to cover yourself with health insurance.

And you should be taxed if you decide to put the burden on the rest of us.


What if you have no income? And don't want to have health insurance?
edit on 28-6-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Except with the government in charge, you won't be able to get to the dr. until next week, because government run healthcare is extremly efficient.


It is truly sad that people think this bill puts government in charge of healthcare. :shk:

Republican dis-information campaign at work.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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You have Car Insurance to protect the person you hit. If you want to up it, then it will cover your own butt when you damage your car.

PLUS, that whole thing of not having to own a car.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by FreeFromTheHerd
 



You mean funding that doesnt actually exist?


Would you like to explain why the funding doesn't exist???



What if you don't need health insurance? What if you pay cash for all of your medical care? You now have no choice, but, will pay anyway?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher


I wonder if any of them will come out and say "I was wrong...it is Constitutional".

Or more likely...they will just say they know the Constitution better than the SCOTUS.


Nope. You won. We lost. We're all screwed. Doomed.

Happy now?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
With this newly imposed tax, I think the Tea Party just got stronger.


If that's true then we are worse off than I initially thought.
Those that the Tea Party voted into congressional representation have done absolutely nothing for the American people. They have played political games by blocking anything Obama has tried to do, solely under the hopes that the country flounders as a result.

I don't trust anybody who puts party over the well being of the American people, including Obama.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Sly1one
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So let me get this straight, I will have more taxes taken out to pay for my medical needs and everyone Else's medical needs even if they aren't paying taxes themselves.



I own a small business and pay for INDIVIDUAL insurance...not within a POOL like a large business.

I pay INDIVIDUAL insurance for myself, family and the few folks I employ.

That rate is MUCH HIGHER than a POOL because risks/costs are not spread out.

NOW the whole nation is one big pool...costs go down...that is as simple as I can explaini it.



I don't believe for one second costs will go down...they may go down for corporate operations but they will remain the same for the consumer...

I wonder what this is going to do for the wait time on finding available medical care? How are they going to prioritize medical care? I can see a lot of homeless people who drank their entire lives going through kidney failure getting treatment over the father of 4 who has worked to pay for the homless man to get treated better than he is?

This is no different than low-income housing and welfare. There are new housing developments where I live that I cannot live in because I make too much money...but my taxes sure can afford to pay for someone else to live in them...so in a sense I can an afford to pay for others to live better than I do...but I can't afford to live better than others who work half as less as me if at all....

saweeeeet....
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by kosmicjack
Now that I think more on it. Romney really can't use this very effectively in the lead up to November. Obama's legislation and Romney's legislation in Massachusetts are virtually identical


One is States' Right dependent. The other is the Fed Govt being all doing and all knowing.


YES...but Romney's main argument against the law was that it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL to mandate it on a National level.

Today, he lost that argument...now he is left to argue against the provisions...his provisions.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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I am uninsured and not one penny of my health care costs are paid for by anyone but myself. So please explain how you or anyone else is paying for me? If I'm forced to buy into a health insurance plan, then you will actually have to foot some of my bills.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


You're right. It doesn't raise taxes on everyone. Just those of us who make more than the minimum allowed for Medicare. So that means over 12 million people will get it for free, and the rest of us will be paying for it.


Only if you decide not to cover yourself with health insurance.

And you should be taxed if you decide to put the burden on the rest of us.


What if you have no income? And don't want to have health insurance?
edit on 28-6-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)


You have no choice.
Either except the Govt "Help" or your taxed. No way out.

Either way, my taxes are going to go up.



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