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Atrazine, Population Control and Lady Gaga

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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The Atrazine Rap - Dr. Tyrone Hayes




OK ATS, I joke around a lot here sometimes. But this is a serious thread and a serious problem here in United States and also in other parts of the World. I've mentioned the topic of Atrazine in some other threads that were related to GMO's before. But I don't think it has received the proper attention it deserves. So I've decided to make a thread to help inform the public and to discuss the problems related to this chemical herbicide Atrazine.

I will be dividing this thread into two sections. The first section will be about the known facts and the dangers of Atrazine. It's effect on human health, the environment and ecosystems. The second section will be much more speculative and conspiracy related.

Section 1 - Facts and Information



What is Atrazine?

Atrazine is a chemical herbicide made by Syngenta AG. Syngenta is an agro/chemical company very much like Monsanto. They are involed in research and development of Genetically Modified crops and pesticides.

Sygenta's Homepage


en.wikipedia.org...

Atrazine, 2-chloro-4-(ethylamino)-6-(isopropylamino)-s-triazine, an organic compound consisting of an s-triazine-ring is a widely used herbicide. Its use is controversial due to widespread contamination in drinking water and its associations with birth defects and menstrual problems when consumed by humans at concentrations below government standards.[1] Although it has been banned in the European Union,[2] it is still one of the most widely used herbicides in the world.

Health and environmental effects

Atrazine was banned in the European Union (EU) in 2004 because of its persistent groundwater contamination.[3] In the United States, however, atrazine is one of the most widely used herbicides, with 76 million pounds of it applied each year, in spite of the restriction that used to be imposed.[18][19] Its endocrine disruptor effects, possible carcinogenic effect, and epidemiological connection to low sperm levels in men has led several researchers to call for banning it in the US.[3]





This is a short video that describes some of the concerns regarding Atrazine. The video description is below.




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ATRAZINE AND THE ENVIRONMENT

features Tyrone Hayes, Ph.D., professor in the Department of Integrative Biology at the University of California, Berkeley, California, shares his landmark research on Atrazine the widely used herbicide in North America, and its disturbing effects on frogs, the environment, and on public health. Atrazine is used throughout the United States to control weeds in agricultural fields, residential lawns, Christmas tree farms, and, golf courses, despite evidence of its toxic nature.

The Swiss company that manufactures Atrazine is a corporate partner with the University of California. They hired professor Hayes to study the effects of the herbicide. His research featured in this clip showed the devestating damage done to the environment, farmworkers and others when Atrazine is used commercially. The company attempted to prevent the publication of Professor Hayes' research in NATURE Magazine. This clip raises questions regarding the safety of herbicides, and the ethics and possible conflicts of interest that can occur when corporations "partner" with educational institutions like UC Berkeley.




Dr. Tyrone Hayes' Atrazine website

This website, designed and maintained by Dr. Tyrone B. Hayes, PhD, is dedicated to informing the scientific community, the activist community, and the public at large about the dangers of the herbicide atrazine.


Here is another short video clip about Atrazine. Featuring an insider and former lobbyist of Syngenta. It also reveals a possible cover up by the EPA.




HuffingtonPost - EPA Fails To Inform Public About Weed-Killer In Drinking Water

One of the nations most widely-used herbicides has been found to exceed federal safety limits in drinking water in four states, but water customers have not been told and the Environmental Protection Agency has not published the results.

Records that tracked the amount of the weed-killer atrazine in about 150 watersheds from 2003 through 2008 were obtained by the Huffington Post Investigative Fund under the Freedom of Information Act. An analysis found that yearly average levels of atrazine in drinking water violated the federal standard at least ten times in communities in Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Kansas, all states where farmers rely heavily on the herbicide.

In addition, more than 40 water systems in those states showed spikes in atrazine levels that normally would have triggered automatic notification of customers. In none of those cases were residents alerted.



This next video is from TED TALKS. Video description below.




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Tyrone Hayes: The toxic baby: TED TALKS: documentary, lecture, talk: herbicide danger

Filmmaker Penelope Jagessar Chaffer was curious about the chemicals she was exposed to while pregnant: Could they affect her unborn child? So she asked scientist Tyrone Hayes to brief her on one he studied closely: atrazine, a herbicide used on corn. (Hayes, an expert on amphibians, is a critic of atrazine, which displays a disturbing effect on frog development.) Onstage together at TEDWomen, Hayes and Chaffer tell their story.

Tyrone Hayes studies frogs and amphibians -- and the effects on their bodies of common farming chemicals.




NDRC - Atrazine: Poisoning the Well

Banned in the European Union and clearly linked to harm to wildlife and potentially to humans, the pesticide atrazine provides little benefit to offset its risks. In 2009, NRDC analyzed results of surface water and drinking water monitoring data for atrazine and found pervasive contamination of watersheds and drinking water systems across the Midwest and Southern United States. This May 2010 report summarizes scientific information that has emerged since the publication of our initial report and includes more recent monitoring data.

Approximately 75 percent of stream water and about 40 percent of all groundwater samples from agricultural areas tested in an extensive U.S. Geological Survey study contained atrazine. NRDC found that the U.S. EPA's inadequate monitoring systems and weak regulations have compounded the problem, allowing levels of atrazine in watersheds and drinking water to peak at extremely high concentrations.

The most recent data confirms that atrazine continues to contaminate watersheds and drinking water. Atrazine was found in 80 percent of drinking water samples taken in 153 public water systems. All twenty watersheds sampled in 2007 and 2008 had detectable levels of atrazine, and sixteen had average concentrations above the level that has been shown to harm plants and wildlife.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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This next video is about the effects and use of Atrazine in Australia. In Australia they allow 8 times the levels allowed in the US. Video description below.





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A film about aerial spraying of the herbicide Atrazine in Tasmania. Atrazine is known to disrupt hormones, causing infertility across species including in humans. In Australia we allow 8 times the levels allowed in the US, and 40 times the levels that will cause a male frog to become a hermaphrodite.


To be fair to both sides of this debate. I will include this next video which is a short rebuttle to Dr. Hayes's videos. Video description below.




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CGFIs Alex Avery discusses the flawed research claims on atrazine and frogs made by Dr. Tyrone Hayes. Learn more atrazine facts at www.cgfi.org/atrazine


Here is the latest statement from the EPA about Atrazine.


EPA - Atrazine Updates - Current as of May 2012

Since EPA concluded its last evaluation of atrazine in 2003, the Agency has evaluated close to 150 published studies investigating a wide array of effects potentially relevant to human health risk assessment. Given this significant new body of scientific information as well as the documented presence of atrazine in both drinking water sources and other bodies of water, EPA determined it appropriate to review the state of the science in light of the new research and to ensure that the Agency’s regulatory decisions continue to protect public health and the environment. This review is based on transparency and sound science, including independent scientific peer review. Since 2003 EPA’s oversight of atrazine has always been dynamic, not static, to ensure continued safety.


EPA published documents for Atrazine

Syngenta's website - articles on Atrazine and litigation settlements

For those who would like more info without reading through all the links. This last video is a full 1 hour symposium given by Dr. Tyrone Hayes. Video description below.




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"From Silent Spring to Silent Night," a talk by Prof. Tyrone Hayes,
Department of Integrative Biology,University of California, Berkeley, given at Humphrey Institute in Minneapolis on March 23, 2007. Dr. Hayes is an authority on the effects of the pesticide atrazine on frogs, and is not popular with chemical companies for his views and proven research.



This ends the first section of this thread.

edit on 6/28/2012 by IpsissimusMagus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:26 AM
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Musical Intermission



System of a Down - Toxicity




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LYRICS

Conversion, software version 7.0
Looking at life through the eyes of a tire hub
Eating seeds is a passtime activity
The toxicity of our city, of our city

New, what do you own the world?!
How do you own disorder, disorder?!
Now, somewhere between the sacred silence
Sacred silence and sleep.
Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep.
Disorder, disorder, disorder.

More wood for their fires, loud neighbors
Flashlight reveries caught in the headlights of a truck.
Eating seeds as a passtime activity.
The toxicity of our city, of our city,

New, what do you own the world?!
How do you own disorder, disorder?!
Now, somewhere between the sacred silence,
Sacred silence and sleep.
Somewhere between the sacred silence and sleep.
Disorder, disorder, disorder.

New, what do you own the world?!
How do you own disorder?
Now, somewhere between the sacred silence,
Sacred silence and sleep.
Somewhere, between the sacred silence and sleep.
Disorder, disorder, disorder.

When I became the sun,
I shone light into the man's hearts,
When I became the sun,
I shone light into the man's hearts.



Lady Gaga - Born this way




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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Section 2 - Speculation and Conspiracy



Homo Toxicus - Toxic Man

Trailer


OK welcome back ATS, as I stated above, this section will be more about speculation and the possible conspiracy aspects. Nothing I state here is absolute fact and some may even find it a bit controversial. I hope I do not offend anyone with the thoughts and ideas presented here. I also do not want this second section to detract from the very real and important issues that section 1 of this OP was related to.

The main idea I will present here is that Atrazine and other chemicals like BPA, may possibly be connected to an attempt at population control. Which may also be related to why TPTB are trying to influence future generations towards a homosexual agenda. When I say homosexual agenda I am referring to a psychological campaign by TPTB to promote homosexuality. I am not talking about gay marriage or civil rights issues or accepting and respecting people for who they are and their basic rights to choose their own lifestyles.

I want to make sure that I clarify this next point. Because I am in no way trying to offend homosexuals or the LGBT community. I have nothing against gays, lesbians, bisexuals or transgender people. I am NOT saying that gays are behind this conspiracy. I don't want to get into an arguement with people calling me a bigot or homophobic for suggesting any of these ideas. That has nothing to do with this.

This is about it being part of a secret plan at population control and an attempt at covering up the dangerous side effects that these chemicals are having on unborn babies. The homosexual agenda being just one small psychological aspect of it. The idea being that in 10 or 20 years from now. Society will have been indoctrinated to believe that these changes that are occurring, due to these toxic chemicals in our environment, are normal and that anyone who suggests that fertility problems, gender identity problems and even homosexuality could possibly be related to hormonal imbalances from a chemical birth defect must be a bigot or homophobic for even thinking such a thing. People are just "born that way".

Well, have you ever asked yourself why? Why are people "born that way"? I think that there may be an alternative / alterior motive for some people who are involved in the promotion of homosexuality and the belief that transgender people are naturally "born that way". Some people may even be involved unwittingly. I think there may be a long term plan in the making here. There are many ways TPTB are attempting to control the population. Perhaps this is just another method in their arsenal. More gay couples means less children being born and the less the people question it the better.

It is not just a biological attempt to alter our genetics, horomones, body chemistry and DNA. But it is also a psychological attempt to make us believe that some of the human health and environmental side effects of these chemicals are not really associated with these chemicals at all. But that they are just natural causes and we should accept that as fact. There seems to be a large increase in the transgender and transexual population. More and more people with gender identity issues. Also people with hormonal imbalances and couples having problems with infertility.

First, we know that this chemical affects fish and frogs at the cellular level. Sometimes changing their testosterone levels. Causing them to become sterile or hermaphroditic in some cases. Testes grow eggs and become ovaries even.

Second, we know that this chemical has contaminated the drinking water supply and could possibly be affecting humans in the same way as the frogs and fish. Changing our hormone levels and causing birth defects. Since we are much larger creatures. We are not seeing the exact same effect as in the amphibians.

Third, we know that TPTB are concerned with population control. There are many threads here on ATS discussing this issue. Quotes from people like David Rockfeller, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Prince Phillip and the Georgia Guidestones will confirm that.

Fourth, we know that there is a concerted effort by the TPTB, MSM, Hollywood movies and the pop music industry to push the homosexual, LGBT agenda forward. Being led by people like Lady Gaga and others. I don't think that some of the people higher up are trying to protect the rights or the feelings of the LGBT community. In fact I believe they have a much more sinister objective. People like Lady Gaga are just pawns in this plan. I would like to say that I like Lady Gaga and I agree with her that people should be more accepting and less judgemental towards the LGBT community.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Now I don't really want to speculate on whether this was or is an intentional attempt to turn people gay, transgender or into hermaphrodites. I seriously doubt that that is the case here. It could just be more of an attempt at dealing with an unexpected side effect of these chemicals and trying to put some kind of spin on it. To protect themselves from liability later on down the road should these side effects become known.

It is clear that other countries have banned these chemicals from being used for fear of the way they contaminate drinking water. But countries like the USA, Australia, Canada and others are still allowing the use of these products at an alarming rate. These Western countries are also the same ones that consume the most resources. So it would be logical to focus lowering the population growth here first. The people in the poorer countries still have medical and nutritional problems that already lower their life expectancy anyway.

I have a suspicion that these issues are related in some way or another. This chemical Atrazine and others like BPA and the hormones in farm animals raised for human consumption. Along with many other problems associated with GMO's. Are affecting people and the planet in ways we don't even know yet.

This quote below taken from a John Hopkins research paper. Outlines some of the ideas behind TPTB agenda at population control. I have highlighted a few key words.


Originally posted by Agarta


."To achieve realistic goals, the more rational and desirable forms of control are to be employed. These include three types of control, often confused, namely: conception control, birth control, and population control.

Conception control refers to all the means behavioral, mechanical, chemical, physiological, and surgical -- by which conception is prevented.

Birth control involves not only conception control but, in addition, abortion, the elimination of the product of conception before birth.

Population control involves not only birth control, but also the relationship between fertility, mortality, and net migration -- the balance between immigration and emigration and internal in-migration and out-migration.

Moreover, it involves the effects of social, economic, and political changes on the components of population growth."

Source: Rapid Population Growth: Consequences and Policy Implications, Vol. II Research Papers, Published for the US National Academy of Sciences by the Johns Hopkins Press, Baltimore, MA.


This video below outlines some of the other ways TPTB are trying to apply population control. Codex Alimentarius, Agenda 21, Flouride, Aspatame, GMO crops, other pesticides and swine / bovine growth hormones just to name a few.




This video is the documentary "Homo Toxicus". Video description below.




www.youtube.com...

A global experiment is in progress, and we are the guinea pigs.
Tons of chemicals are released into the environment everyday. The average citizen is not only unaware of this daily exposure, but of the long-term effects these toxic substances can have on living organisms. The majority of the 100,000 industrial compounds developed since World War II that are now in daily use around the world have never been tested for the type of consistent, low-level exposure we experience in our day-to-day lives.

These compounds find their way into the body in a variety of ways: in the food we eat and the air we breathe, through contact with the skin, and in many cases passed from mother to infant in the womb. Up to 247 toxic substances have been found in newborns alone. Today we are handing down a toxic load to our children along with our genetic legacy.

Carried out with intelligence and humor, Homo Toxicus explores the myriad links between these toxic substances and increasing health problems such as cancer, allergies, hyperactivity, and infertility. Interviews with industry scientists and independent researchers shed light on inconsistent standards used for evaluation and regulation of chemical agents. The findings are disturbing and strongly challenge us to re-evaluate the laws and procedures currently in place to safeguard our health against man-made chemicals and potential environmental pollutants.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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We have probablly all heard the crazy rants from Alex Jones about juice boxes and sippy cups turning people gay and stuff. If not here it is below. There may actually be some truth to these rants though.

Alex Jones - Juice Boxes Are Making Kids Gay


Government Intentionally Turning People Gay! Part 1


Government Intentionally Turning People Gay! Part 2


Food: The Ultimate Secret Exposed


So ATS, what do you think? Am I wrong for thinking there could be a connection here? What if these chemicals like Atrazine really are affecting us en utero and causing these gender confusion issues, hormonal problems, fertility issues and other possible birth defects we are seeing a rise in lately?

Please let me repeat once again, this thread is in no way trying to insult or accuse the LGBT community of being intentionally involved in this conspiracy. I am not saying that this is the cause of homosexuality. I know that human sexuality is very complex and involves multiple aspects of human behavior and genetics. If you are offended by this type of speculation or are extra sensitive to these issues for any reason. I apologize ahead of time and would hope you understand my sincerity about this. I would still appreciate your input though. As long as you're willing to respect my opinions and points of view. I will also respect your feelings and opinions too.

By dividing this thread into two sections. I am hoping we can all avoid the sarcastic and snide remarks that sometimes get posted when speculating on conspiracy aspects of this type. This is a serious political, social and environmental issues. I would like this to be a serious conversation and kept civil regarding both sections of this OP.

You are welcome to post your thoughts and comment on either of the sections or both if you prefer. If you have anything to add or your own speculations I would welcome that as well. However, I would ask that you please refrain from trolling, making jokes or insulting remarks here. My intentions are to discuss these issues openly and honestly.

Thank you, IpsissimusMagus




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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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I think your OP is far to long, your trying to cover to many subjects and the Lady gaga thing really put me off clicking into this tread in the first place..
Perhaps you should have focused on one thing and briefly capped on the other 2 subjects and how they play their role. Just a suggestion



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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Thank you for the suggestion. I know it's a long OP but I wanted to be thorough. Especially in the first section about Atrazine.

There is enough information by just reading what is posted in the first section to be better informed. I know that not all the people who use ATS can view videos from youtube. So I wanted to make the text info adequate enough to cover the issues.

I used Lady Gaga because I thought that might draw more attention than putting hermaphrodites. And also the fact that she is a huge advocate for the LGBT community. I'm not sure why seeing her name made you have the reverse effect intended. But I understand that many people on ATS avoid the main stream pop culture like the plague.

The many videos and links are for people who want to do more research on their own. You are free to pick and choose the parts that interest you. Do you have any comments about the content of either section 1 or section 2?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus
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I used Lady Gaga because I thought that might draw more attention than putting hermaphrodites. And also the fact that she is a huge advocate for the LGBT community. I'm not sure why seeing her name made you have the reverse effect intended. But I understand that many people on ATS avoid the main stream pop culture like the plague.



Lady Gaga apparently no longer "swings that way" anymore, so i guess she's no longer a gay icon... lol. And using her name is because she already been associated with the illuminati (as well many other music artists) Which i personally find ridiculous. But yeah, i probably would have gone with Hermaphrodites, but its your thread!



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:31 PM
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OK forget what I said before.

Trolls are welcome here too.





posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:06 AM
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Great thread IM, you cover a lot of details pertinent to your argument and there is nothing wrong with that. Some of the members are not used to very well thought out developed threads. I have a few of them myself. It is obvious you took the time to do the research and had the foresight to post the video descriptions. I personally would love to see more threads like this. With all that being said....

I agree with your theory, certain chemicals are being stonewalled from being properly researched and tested, not to mention, a lot of them get released as products before heath risks can be evaluated and those evaluations seem to be put on the back burner. As for the population thinning side of it, I think your puzzle is well on its way to showing the bigger picture and is very plausible. Thanks again for the information, I'm off to learn some more.



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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As a second generation sufferer of badly a messed up endocrine system, I found your thread very compelling and thought provoking. I come from incredibly long lived stock on both sides of my family if you judge by the great grandparents and grandparents i had. Yet I have noticed that quality of health has deteriorated since my grandparents time. My parents will be lucky to see 80 even though their parents and grandparents cleared 90 easily despite smoking, drinking, and eating loads of carbs. My grandfather had work exposure to nasty industrial toxins and I suspect it was those that caused the health problems seen in my uncle and dad and my cousin and me.

I was a tomboy but I am hetero.

I don't know about the Lady Gaga part. I sort of buy into the illuminati conspiracy in pop culture but probably not this time. Even before the industrial revolution, we have always had gays and bisexuals and hermaphrodites among us. In reading the biographies of some of my favorite authors of the past it became clear to me gays have always been among us and lived pretty much then as they do now, though they used all kind of antiquated social conventions to hide it, like passing off lovers as lifelong servants or confidantes. It's about time we acknowledged them and allowed them to live in peace. I think any media involvement is just a continuation or evolution of the civil rights movement.

So, while there may be more gay people due to the influence of enviromental toxins, the movement to accept what has always been among us is just a natural progression in our culture, I think.

I don't know if permitting these toxins to be used is part of a depopulation agenda. If so, why ban them only in Europe? The fact is, we have more industrialized agriculture in these countries that haven't banned them. We have more arable land. With so much ground to cover, agribusiness is going to turn to these quick and dirty solutions to their pest and weed problems and therefore lobby to keep them legal and suppress unflattering research.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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What are your solutions in feeding a growing population to stabilize an entire plant?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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PS You need to read THIS> agsense.org...



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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What are your solutions in feeding a growing population to stabilize an entire plant?


Weed killers are not necessary to feed people. We can grow corn just fine without it. People use these herbicides so that they can get the highest profit margin. They want a product that lasts a long time and looks good on the supermarket shelf. Regardless of taste, quality, health and sustainability.

I don't really know what your point is. Do you really think these large corporate farms are concerned with feeding the masses?


Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
PS You need to read THIS> agsense.org...


That article is alarming to say the least. These lobbyists like the World Health Organization are in cooperation with the agendas of big corporations.


agsense.org...

“While our EPA is in the middle of an unscheduled re-review of atrazine because of activist campaigns, the World Health Organization quietly relied on scientific evidence and found that atrazine is safe at levels up to 100 parts per billion,” White said. “Here in the U.S., activists, insisting that atrazine levels at or even below 3 parts per billion are dangerous, have led EPA and the American taxpayer on an expensive wild goose chase.”



If this were true then why has Syngenta settled so many lawsuits ?

Syngen ta pays $105 million to settle herbicide lawsuit


Swiss chemicals maker Syngenta's agreement to pay $105 million to settle a nearly 8-year-old lawsuit over one of its popular agricultural herbicides could help reimburse nearly 2,000 community water systems that have had to filter the chemical from its drinking water, a plaintiffs' attorneys said today.

The proposed deal, announced Friday by Syngenta, must be approved by a federal judge in southern Illinois, where community water systems from at least a half-dozen states have sought to have the company reimburse them for filtering weed-killing atrazine from their supplies.

As part of the deal, some 1,887 community water systems serving more than 52 million Americans may be eligible to make a claim, said Stephen Tillery, the St. Louis attorney behind the class-action lawsuit.
Syngenta said it agreed to settle the matter "to end the business uncertainty" and avoid further legal costs. Under the settlement, the company will continue to sell atrazine to U.S. corn growers and denies any liability linked to the chemical, which Syngenta said is used in more than 60 countries and has been marketed in the U.S. since 1959.





Ripe for Change documentary

www.hulu.com...
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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Depleted Uranium is much more hazardous.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Depleted Uranium is much more hazardous.


Yes, so is sticking a loaded gun to your head and pulling the trigger.

What's your point? Are we drinking Uranium daily?



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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reply to post by SheeplFlavoredAgain
 



Thank you both for your insightful comments.

I hope good health for you and your families.





The fact is, we have more industrialized agriculture in these countries that haven't banned them. We have more arable land. With so much ground to cover, agribusiness is going to turn to these quick and dirty solutions to their pest and weed problems and therefore lobby to keep them legal and suppress unflattering research.


I agree with you. Except I can't help but feel there is some kind of alterior motive. Because these chemicals are too risky and should have been banned a long time ago.


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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:10 AM
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Interesting stuff Ipsissimus, you have put a lot of effort in to this thread.

There is a lot of debate in Oz at the moment about the effects of glyphosate (ie Monsanto Roundup) on pregnant mothers. In my area (which is rural) there has been a spike in birth defects in the last decade which is alarming to say the least.

I try to eat organic as much as possible and grow some fruit and veg at home too. You really have to be careful these days about what goes in to your body. The corps are trying to turn us in to corpses !

Peace Out



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus
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What are your solutions in feeding a growing population to stabilize an entire plant?


Weed killers are not necessary to feed people. We can grow corn just fine without it. People use these herbicides so that they can get the highest profit margin. They want a product that lasts a long time and looks good on the supermarket shelf. Regardless of taste, quality, health and sustainability.

I don't really know what your point is. Do you really think these large corporate farms are concerned with feeding the masses?


Again in other words, "What is your "plan" to feed the world to reduce the risk of global conflict without the use of herbicides?" Here is an article about a study tackling the conundrum. www.scientificamerican.com...

How will what you espouse affect global imbalances? Do you know what that question entails?

You see you have to produce practical workable solutions or compile data that does and post it here to support your base ideology of your thread. Otherwise that's all it is, ideology. An ideology that has the potential to starve a great many people around the world that will surly produce armed conflict. Now do you understand my point. I'm trying to vet your macro ag ideology.

You know what your rhetoric sounds like to me? Mitt Romney's. "Repeal and "replace" the Affordable Healthcare Act." With what? That is what is the "replacement" plan? What are the impacts of the "replacement" plan?

What is your plan to "replace" "Atrazine" to makeup production shortfalls when it's not in use for crop productions? Because organic farming can't!

I'll watch your video and may comment on it including the rest of your reply later.







 
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