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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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TextThe Israelis seem to be engaged in a deliberate campaign to process as many Palestinian children as possible through this system of terror.


Sounds like a America , get them in the system young and keep them there. By the way what is this Brit team basing their findings on , interviews with alleged prisoners , their parents or officials . We all know that each side has an agenda , but if the so called Palestinians really loved their children they would not indoctrinate them to hate Jews and non Arabs , telling them to blow themselves up for Allah will. Get them 72 lolly pops in heaven .

The videos I have seen come out of these areas in question showing children practicing with weapons , suicide vests . Cartoons and kids shows teaching them to hate and kill Jews. What a load of bull the British government pretends to care about the well being of these children . Hypocrites with an agenda using the children as pawns ,just as the Hamas , Hezbollah and Arab governments do. They all have an agenda against Israel and let these people suffer to further it . If you people can not see this then you are using the children too for your agenda.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:29 AM
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Their shocking report Children in Military Custody details claims that youngsters are dragged from their beds in the middle of the night, have their wrists bound behind their backs, and are blindfolded and made to kneel or lie face down in military vehicles.




The team – led by Sir Stephen Sedley, a former Court of Appeal judge – heard that "every Palestinian child is treated like a potential terrorist".



"We were sitting in court and saw a section of a preliminary hearing when a very young looking child, a boy, was brought in wearing a brown uniform with leg irons on.


Are they a flight risk? Have they tried to run away while being transferred between detention and court? The use of leg irons is legal under the UN when used appropriately.


"To hold children routinely and for substantial periods in solitary confinement would, if it occurred, be capable of amounting to torture," the report said.

As opposed to placing children into general population with adults? Or placing them into cells with older kids / bullies / etc?


While the legal team said it was in no position to prove the truth of the claims of cruelty made repeatedly by Palestinian children, but denied by the Israeli authorities – which offered unprecedented access to the delegation – it pointed to the disparity in the law.



Last night, Israeli Embassy spokesperson Amir Ofek said the country appreciated the efforts of the delegation but blamed Palestinians who "glorify terrorism". He said: "As a result [children] are frequently involved in lethal acts. With the Palestinian Authority unable or unwilling to meet its obligation to investigate and prosecute these offences, Israel has no choice but to do so itself.




The report details claims children are dragged from their beds, bound and blindfolded


We are not getting the entire story... EU member states, when it comes to law enforcement and criminal justice systems, is known to substitute EU standards for UN standards. As an example placing an adult into handcuffs behind their backs is apparently classified as torture as well.

My point is before we break out the torches and pitchforks how about we get more info and actually investigate the "claims" to confirm / debunk before acting.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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Hezbollah cartoon teaches kids to throw stones at Israelis and to seek death as Martyrs




Transcription:

"The enemies harm everyone, therefore the young ones are now crying "Allah Akbar!" You are [our people's] purpose and concern, let your stone pour out blood.

Your land is your honor and your mother, and worldly things only come after it. My book has turned into a stone.

With it, I repel the treacherous.

It is small like [the boy] but its effect is great.

Purify yourself, pray and set out.

With your blood the soil will be perfumed.

Engrave your name on [Heaven's] doors. I am at your service, on Al-Aqsa [Mosque]!

I am at your service, oh Jerusalem!

I may have missed a lesson, but my love for you is a lesson itself.

Come out of every tunnel, window and door, join your stone to mine.

The shooting of the evil [Israelis] doesn't scare us. The dear [child] has fulfilled his desire, achieving the merit of Marytrdom. [The boy] who went to redeem his country is not considered dead."
[Al-Manar (Hezbollah), June 2002]


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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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Yeah yeah blah blah derail derail...

Answer a simple question...

Is it right or wrong to keep children in leg irons??

There you go... that’s the crux of the thread... now answer please!



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by Muckster
Answer a simple question...

Is it right or wrong to keep children in leg irons??

There you go... that’s the crux of the thread... now answer please!


Your point was dealt with by Xcathdra Here

It is a great pity that you have replied in this thread without reading its posts. Its only on page 2 after all.



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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by Muckster
Answer a simple question...

Is it right or wrong to keep children in leg irons??

There you go... that’s the crux of the thread... now answer please!


Answer a simple question...

Is it right or wrong for Israelis to arrest children who have been trained to be terrorists??

There you go... that’s the crux of the thread... now answer please!



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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The answer is no. Of course not. is your hatred of Muslims that strong that you can not see the difference between right and wrong. Should Palestinians be able to go into Israel and arrest Israeli children posing with weapons or with plans to join the IDF. Those Israeli kids could grow up to be fighter pilots or drone operators with access to the worlds most deadly military technologies. They could go on to use these technologies against defenseless palestinians.


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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

By the way, Hamas in Palestine are Wahhabi Muslims. The school of Islam from which almost all Muslim terrorists come from.

There is no doubt that Palestinians are teaching their children to be terrorists. Or do you see them as freedom fighters?


My god man, are you blind? Does ignorance run in your family? What do you think is going to happen when you commit genocide on a people for decades? Do ya think they might start to train up to fight back?

Unbelievable. The ignorance displayed in your post is beyond astonishing.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
The answer is no. Of course not. is your hatred of Muslims that strong that you can not see the difference between right and wrong.


So you agree that it isn't wrong for Israel to arrest children who have been trained to be terrorists?

Good.


Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Should Palestinians be able to go into Israel and arrest Israeli children posing with weapons or with plans to join the IDF.


Should Palestinian children be allowed to go into Israel and blow people up?

Israel wouldn't have to arrest these kids if Hamas hadn't trained them to be suicide bombers.


Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Those Israeli kids could grow up to be fighter pilots or drone operators with access to the worlds most deadly military technologies. They could go on to use these technologies against defenseless palestinians.


The big difference, staring you in the face, is that Israeli kids have not been trained to be suicide bombers.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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you just lost all credibility by advocating arming your 8 year old child to defend himself. you are a fool for saying such a stupid comment.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
So you agree that it isn't wrong for Israel to arrest children who have been trained to be terrorists?

Good.


He said nothing of the sort. Putting words into peoples mouths is NOT helping your cause to appear legitimate.


Should Palestinian children be allowed to go into Israel and blow people up?

Israel wouldn't have to arrest these kids if Hamas hadn't trained them to be suicide bombers.


And those children would not be suicide bombers if Israel hadn't been committing genocide on them for decades now. Its not that hard to figure out.


The big difference, staring you in the face, is that Israeli kids have not been trained to be suicide bombers.


Speaking of staring you in the face, how do you justify decades of genocide on a people just struggling to get by?

Honestly, I'm starting to agree with another poster who said you are a dual-passport holder.


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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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Palestine does not have an army, air force or navy for it's young to join. Thats the point, they have no Defense Force.

Yet Israel, receives billion from the united states so it can have one of the most powerful defense forces in the world.

But you can not see beyond your hatred of all Muslims to appreciate the difference.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
But you can not see beyond your hatred of all Muslims to appreciate the difference.


While others can not see beyond their hatred of the US or Israel to understand the difference.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by Kryties
My god man, are you blind?

Does ignorance run in your family?

What do you think is going to happen when you commit genocide on a people for decades? Do ya think they might start to train up to fight back?


What, you mean like suicide bombers blowing themselves up on Israeli buses and Hamas firing rockets into Israeli residential areas?

Do you think they might start to arrest kids trained as suicide bombers?

Did you see what I did there.

By the way, nice ad hominem attack. If you can't take on the message, attack the messenger?

Works for those who would deny Israel the right to arrest suicide bombers under the age of 18.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Is it right or wrong for Israelis to arrest children who have been trained to be terrorists??


Zionists like you are stuck with defending the indefensible so you resort to sophistry, lies and fallacious arguments.

Palestinians do not use their children as suicide bombers or human shields. Those zionist lies are meant to dehumanise occupied people.

The lies does not justify or explain why thousand of Palestinian children are snatched from their homes and parents in the middle of the night by armed and masked zionist occupation forces.

It is terrorism, child abuse and collective punishment.

Do you know how zionist recruit Palestinians as informers?

They rape them and video record it as blackmail for these conservative and modest people.




Israeli Guards Rape Palestinian Women

A Palestinian female freed from Israeli detention said more than 15 fellow Palestinian women were raped by Israeli interrogators to force them to confess to charges leveled against them and collaborate with the Israeli intelligence.

“Israeli investigators and intelligence officers keep video tapes of the raping to blackmail the female detainees. I have been sexually abused and photographed. When I tried to travel to Jordan after my release and Israeli intelligence officer dumfounded my with the humiliating photos.”

farahfilasteen.tumblr.com...



God/Allah help those stolen Palestinian children
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
But you can not see beyond your hatred of all Muslims to appreciate the difference.


While others can not see beyond their hatred of the US or Israel to understand the difference.


Could it be we just see the truth behind all the lies and deceit? Its called thinking for ones self, rather than swallowing the nonsense forced down our throats in a propaganda campaign that has lasted for decades.

Nah, that can't be it. We must just hate US and Israel for whatever nonsensical reason you pull out of your rectum.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

What, you mean like suicide bombers blowing themselves up on Israeli buses and Hamas firing rockets into Israeli residential areas?


In response to genocide.


Do you think they might start to arrest kids trained as suicide bombers?


Trained in response to genocide.


Did you see what I did there.


You're not clever and I am not impressed.


By the way, nice ad hominem attack. If you can't take on the message, attack the messenger?


If you can't handle the truth then don't participate in the thread.

Thank the stars I don't actually care about the opinion of a bigoted advocate for genocide no matter how much whinging, moaning and whining they might rant on about.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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Palestine does not have an army, air force or navy for it's young to join. Thats the point, they have no Defense Force.



Incorrect. Hamas has a military wing.

Since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories. Hamas has a significant terrorist military wing.


While the number of members is known only to the Brigades leadership, Israel estimates the Brigades have a core of several hundred members who receive military style training, including training in Iran and Syria.

Additionally, the brigades have an estimated 10,000 operatives "of varying degrees of skill and professionalism" who are members of Hamas or their supporters and the internal security forces.

Link


I can only presume that, in light of your ignorance of Hamas's military wing you have only the most passing knowledge about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by Kryties
Its called thinking for ones self, rather than swallowing the nonsense forced down our throats in a propaganda campaign that has lasted for decades.


Yet here we are, people using a report that states -

While the legal team said it was in no position to prove the truth of the claims of cruelty made repeatedly by Palestinian children, but denied by the Israeli authorities – which offered unprecedented access to the delegation – it pointed to the disparity in the law.


among other non confirmed issues.

If you are stating people in this thread are thinking for themselves, while ignoring the content of the article itself, then its no wonder why you guys don't believe anything other than what you are told.

So long as the article suiggests Israeli guilt you guys have no issues jumping on that while at the same time ignoring the key parts, which have been pointed out and, wait for it..... have been ignored because it undermines the positions of people in this thread.

So what happens? They attack the poster because they cant refute the facts.

By all means, keep thinking for yourself while ignoring reality.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Are they a flight risk?


You are joking right? Do you actually think thousands of highly trained terrorist kids will nip over to their safety deposit boxes in their Swiss banks, grab a couple of fake international passports and fake mustaches and catch an international flight out of Tel Aviv?





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