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U.S. Border Patrol Agents Are Being Trained To Run Away And Hide If Someone Starts Shooting

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Destinyone
 



Please explain what you mean by *bunk*. TIA


He means he doesn’t like what I have to say so that was his lame attempt at discrediting the source.
Lame!


He’ll learn one day...hopefully!





Lame??

This thread is lame ei. Bunk!

Funny you have a soldier in your avatar, yet you bring crap like this into ats.

In addition to that it can be said that most of border patrol are ex-mil.

With that being said, i would like you personally to go fire on a border patrol officer. I bet your life, that they won't return fire, and that indeed they will turn and run.

Hahahaha

Again.......BUNK.




posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Same with all martial arts and military. Then call in the air strike (or confront when the opposing forces have at least equal strengths) A retreat is a strategic manuever to win the war. Not every battle will be won. No battles will be won and the war will be lost if you permit engaging in a suicidal effort and get wiped out.


Let me share some of my experience with you:

Marine Corps Infantryman Mission – Locate, close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver or repel the enemy’s assault by fire and close combat.

What part of that says “RETREAT” or throw rocks?


I get what you mean but….. armed illegals?



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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Lame??

This thread is lame ei. Bunk!


So you can’t debunk it!




Funny you have a soldier in your avatar, yet you bring crap like this into ats.


Crap? That’s your opinion….AGAIN.



In addition to that it can be said that most of border patrol are ex-mil.


Again….opinion!



With that being said, i would like you personally to go fire on a border patrol officer. I bet your life, that they won't return fire, and that indeed they will turn and run.

Hahahaha

Again.......BUNK.


What a dolt! Why would I, a defender of the constitution, fire on a brave American who is defending the constitution?

Come back with something substantive.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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This is very hard to believe, I wouldn't be ok with it at all. It'd be nice if the source was not a dead end and hearsay, but I also don't expect someone to upload the virtual course as proof...



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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post removed because the user has no concept of manners

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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reply to post by PLASIFISK
 



Ehhhhhh....

Your an idiot.

Keep it moving gunny. Your out of your league.


Disprove it then! I’ll wait!




Go kick a door in something...... Hahahaha


Whose?



FYI this thread has been debunked!

It's author an idiot.


Debunked by who??? CERTAINLY NOT YOU!!



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Ehhhhh the mod's got me.

Ok lil semper dude.

Defend your post!

Provide proof of your topic from an official source.

If you can.

I have already shown that it doesn't come from border patrol.

Link your official source. Gunny.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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Why not just use UN Troops ? They would offer the same type of action.

Then,we can really say America is screwed.



S&F



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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This is very hard to believe, I wouldn't be ok with it at all. It'd be nice if the source was not a dead end and hearsay, but I also don't expect someone to upload the virtual course as proof.


After NDAA, Patriot Act, ACTA, drones over American skies, SOPA, Fast & Furious, etc., I believe it.

Is it that big of a stretch IYO? I've been given the orders 'do not return fire' in situations where it was totally stupid! This is what happens when politicians dictate wars.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Sek82
 



This is very hard to believe, I wouldn't be ok with it at all. It'd be nice if the source was not a dead end and hearsay, but I also don't expect someone to upload the virtual course as proof.


After NDAA, Patriot Act, ACTA, drones over American skies, SOPA, Fast & Furious, etc., I believe it.

Is it that big of a stretch IYO? I've been given the orders 'do not return fire' in situations where it was totally stupid! This is what happens when politicians dictate wars.




Well you dont believe a Border Agent ?


- We are the largest local in the Border Patrol. - We are the largest local in AFGE's 12th District. The 12th District covers Arizona, California, Nevada, and Hawaii. - Local 2544 represents non-supervisory agents in the busiest sector of the Border Patrol. - Local 2544 covers most of the state of Arizona, excluding Yuma and La Paz counties. - Local 2544 executive board officers and chief stewards are all active duty Border Patrol agents.



I would think,their voices have to matter.....



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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No administration, Dem or Rep will ever do anything to address illegal immigration until american workers are willing to work for comparable wages.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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i'd hope instituting an idea like this would manifest a need for American citizenry self reliance in security matters.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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Ehhhhh the mod's got me.


Wonder why?



Ok lil semper dude.


No idea what you mean…



Defend your post!

Provide proof of your topic from an official source.

If you can.

I have already shown that it doesn't come from border patrol.

Link your official source. Gunny.


You’ve shown nothing….be realistic! It was from the National Border Patrol Council in Arizona (Local border patrol union 2544). Do you know what is said to union members at UAW or elsewhere? NOPE…but I bet if it was from the UAW you’d be ALL ABOUT IT.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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No administration, Dem or Rep will ever do anything to address illegal immigration until american workers are willing to work for comparable wages.


The reality is….Mexicans don’t work for less, they work illegally for MORE.

When you consider most work for CASH and aren’t subject to the ridiculous taxes you and I are subject to then they actually make/take home more. And as an employer, I can tell you that it’s more lucrative for ME to pay someone CASH (off the books) because I can dodge unemployment taxes, payroll taxes, certain insurance expense, and Obamacare. American workers FEEL LIKE they’re paid less because they follow our F’d up system.

How about instead of focusing on wages and workers we focus on taxes and government??? If there weren't people willing to work illegally then the focus wouldn't be on wages. And the reason we have illegals working here falls on.....guess who??



edit on 27-6-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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You win.

Your post is directly from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

And...... Border Patrol officers are running from gun fights instead of returning fire.

Oh and they are throwing rocks.

Awsome post. Star and flag.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by stanguilles7
 



No administration, Dem or Rep will ever do anything to address illegal immigration until american workers are willing to work for comparable wages.


The reality is….Mexicans don’t work for less, they work illegally for MORE.

When you consider most work for CASH and aren’t subject to the ridiculous taxes you and I are subject to then they actually make/take home more. And as an employer, I can tell you that it’s more lucrative for ME to pay someone CASH (off the books) because I can dodge unemployment taxes, payroll taxes, certain insurance expense, and Obamacare. American workers FEEL LIKE they’re paid less because they follow our F’d up system.


You points contradict each other. Employers often prefer illegal labor because it costs them less. What they 'take home' is irrelevant to the point.


How about instead of focusing on wages and workers we focus on taxes and government???


Wages and workers and government are inextricably linked in the marketplace. Government controls on minimum wage, ovetime, worker protections, etc, all keep wages higher. Until Americans are willing to change the laws which prevent them from taking crap wages with no benefits, businesses will continue to favor lower-waged illegal workers.


If there weren't people willing to work illegally then the focus wouldn't be on wages......and the reason we have illegals working here falls on.....guesss who??



The reason we have illegals working here is because the businesses who benefit from lower wage illegal labor write the laws. Same now as it has been for decades, regardless of Party. Balming this current admin, while ignoring the previous 3 is falling prey to the shell game of partisan politics. Bush didn nothing about this, and proposed Amnesty. Clinton did nothing about this. Reagan did nothing about this. Heck, Obama has actually deported more illegals than any previous admin, but he's still doing little about the real problem.

But if you hink his is just about Obama, or the Dems, you are swallowing a load.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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I rest my case!

Thank you!

He will argue otherwise though.

I think that eskimo needs to be sold more ice cubes.

Check please......!



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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So which regulations do you think the government should remove to allow employers to legally spend less on wages, so that they dont have to depend on illegal labor?



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Your post seems(notice the word seems) to be talking about the active shooter course. Seems this is to train people who work in the office and not in the field.

Click on the link below and it will take you to google. Click on the 4th one that says PDF Active shooter.

www.google.com...


I could be wrong.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Hey seabag...pretty crazy stuff. As absurd as it is, I think everything is going to plan. TPTB have been implementing more and more policies & procedures that will, not only disarm, but make ineffective, the American public, including members of the government, certain federal agencies, and portions of the military. Each step is a singular, insidious movement, however, when the time is right, will have culminated in a nation that cannot defend itself from the very government that will have trampled over all our civil rights. When marshal law gets declared our nation will be weak, ineffective, and fragmented. You have to see how ridiculous the gun laws are getting in New York! Legislatures and politicians first try to make it so difficult to obtain a pistol permit that the entire process distracts citizens from pursuing gun ownership. If that doesn't stop you, adding another weapon to an existing permit is almost as daunting as the initial application! For politicians who submit or pass firearm "reform", I now call "Feel-Good Legislation." It would be amusing if it wasn't so obscene to live in this country.



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