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Barclays fined for attempts to manipulate key bank rates

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:27 AM
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Very good questions wiser and jedi..

I highly doubt we will ever get an answer to that question..
Who gets the fine money and what happens to it?

You'd think that any government with any brains would invest any fine monies back into society in ways that would actually help people.. be it repairing the roads or helping people set up a job.. or maybe even a bonus tax free payment to all of us who contribute towards criminals like the bankers.

Saw on the news earlier that there may be criminal charges brought about, and they're saying this on the BBC news site right now,

The former chief executive of Barclays, Martin Taylor, tells the BBC that the bank was engaged in "systematic dishonesty"

The US Department of Justice also said criminal investigations into "other financial institutions and individuals" was ongoing.

Other big names believed to be under investigation include Citigroup, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, HSBC and Royal Bank of Scotland.

www.bbc.co.uk...




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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No, resignation isn't a start. Resignation will allow him to keep his pensions and other perks.

He needs to be fired.

I regret to say that Barclays is whom I bank with. I am ashamed to be one of their customers. As soon as NatWest/RBS get their "glitch" fixed, I will be changing banks over this. It will be a purely symbolic gesture ofc, as all banks are up to the same tricks, the only difference is that Barclays got caught.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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Just be aware that RBS are under investigation for this too.

They may have just had a glitch, but it seems they arein the same bed as Barclays.
You could try the co-operative bank.
I actually use a building society, has its limitations but I don't have the same problems a lot of others have.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Looks like Barclay's share price has dropped like a lead balloon, according to the BBC's chart.

Good.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Here's the statement from the US Department of Justice

"The Justice Department’s criminal investigation into the manipulation of LIBOR and EURIBOR by other financial institutions and individuals is ongoing. The agreement requires Barclays to continue cooperating with the department in its ongoing investigation."

So it looks like they are the snitches in the room ......I'll just be totally surprised if any "big" people go to jail ....most bank stocks in the US have been down recently.... as has the DOW today ... markets appear to be quite shaky on this news.

www.justice.gov...



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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Good article by Paul Mason on the Barclay's story. I really hope this is going to be the watershed moment and finally these bankers are charged with criminal offenses. Somehow I doubt it though. Bob Diamond is refusing to resign.


The Barclays Libor scandal threatens to blow up more than the reputation of a bank, its CEO, its chairman and a host of (as yet unnamed) "big boys" in its derivatives office. What is at stake is the implicit deal the British political establishment has done - and re-done - with the banks since 2008.

www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Jun, 29 2012 @ 03:49 AM
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ypu, he wont quit.. He needs to be fired.. right now!!

The boss of Barclays has insisted he will not resign after staff rigged the key lending rate between banks.

Bob Diamond was speaking at a meeting of analysts at US bank, Morgan Stanley.

And in a letter agreeing to give evidence to MPs, Mr Diamond condemned the inappropriate behaviour of a "small number" of employees who had tried to make profits for their own benefit.

www.bbc.co.uk...

And what with todays news, which just adds to the publics pain, we can only hope that these swine are sent to jail, their assets seized as porceeds of crime, the companies shut down and completely exposed for all they have done..
FSA finds banks guilty of mis-selling to small firms


JAK

posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:06 AM
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Some more details that might be of interest to ATS:

Barclays chairman is a BBC director


How about this for a potential conflict of interest? The chairman of Barclays, Marcus Agius, is also the senior non-executive director on the BBC's executive board.



businessinsider.com


Did you know that Marcus Agius, the Chairman of Lehman Brothers' new owner Barclays, is a member of the Rothschild family?

Well, sort of... Agius married into the banking dynasty. His wife, Katherine, is the daughter of Edmund de Rothschild,



Wiki: Marcus Agius



 

Edit: ATS related thread BBC Pro Rothschild 'propoganda'?


Originally posted by trustnothing
here is another connection I did not see listed, might explain a few things, note: exec at BBC, married to a Rothschild, chairman of Barclays - Marcus Agius en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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This is not a Bob Diamond thing, he is the fall guy appointed to replace Marcus Agius who is still chairman and also and exec at the bbc.

Marcus Agius is the husband of Katherine Rothschild, I didnt get far researching his bloodeline but its seems to be a Maltese dynasty, I suspect this is relevant considering a lot of these "orders" display the Maltese falcon. If you know anything more about this please contact me.

anyways

It is Agius who needs to be held to account for this, not allowed to remain in power from the shadows, IT IS NOT ONE MAN ALONE like JFK, Oaklahoma etc etc, please do not be fooled!

Edit, is there also a clue in the fact that barclays logo displays an eagle similar to that of imperial rome and the Rothschilds coat of arms?

In this article they considered dropping the eagle as it had Nazi connotations, whose 3rd Reich is widely believed to be of imperial Rome, Caesar being the 1st. We are approaching the 4th unless people start to wake up. It is a germanic eagle. There is an older logo which shows the eagle with 3 crowns, I wonder which ones? Scotland, Wales, England?
www.telegraph.co.uk...#

picture of 3 crowns logo
www.2space.net...

Barclays incidentally were originally founded by quakers out of the city of London, many of these families are still prominent globalists such as Sir Anthony Tuke a descendant of one of the bank which merged into barclays a long long time back, I cant find the link but it is on their website somewhere.



Edit - here you go, it took place in 1896, here is a list of the private banks that became part of Barclays, you will note some of them have been chairmen etc even in the modern era, for instance Tuke mentioned above.

You are best reading from the source, there were 19 banks, this shows their parts also.
www.personal.barclays.co.uk...

This one has simplified it somewhat, apologies for the formatting


1896 BARCLAY AND COMPANY IS INCORPORATED AS AN AMALGAMATION OF:

BARCLAY, BEVAN & CO EST. 1690 LONDON
JONATHAN BACKHOUSE & CO EST. 1774 DARLINGTON
GURNEY & CO EST. 1775 NORWICH
GOSLINGS AND SHARPE EST. 1671 LONDON
SPARROW TUFNELL & CO EST. 1803 CHELMSFORD
BASSETT, SON AND HARRIS EST. 1812 LEIGHTON BUZZARD
SHARPLES, TUKE & CO EST. 1820 HITCHIN
GIBSON, TUKE AND GIBSON EST. 1824 SAFFRON WALDEN
FORDHAM, GIBSON & CO EST. 1808 ROYSTON
J. MORTLOCK & CO. LTD EST. 1790 CAMBRIDGE
VEASEY, DESBOROUGH & CO EST. 1804 HUNTINGDON
MOLINEUX, WHITFIELD & CO EST. 1789 LEWES
WOODALL, HEBDEN & CO EST. 1788 SCARBOROUGH


www.personal.barclays.co.uk...

This gives a decent history of Barclays, Quakers, including a family tree at the end.

assets.cambridge.org...
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I find it interesting how in the article about them perhaps changing the logo if ABN Amro merger went ahead they defended it by saying it predated the Nazis by 200 odd years yet

In the Barclays events link above


22 October 1937 Grant of Arms is obtained from the College of Arms for the black spread
eagle with three crowns to be used as Barclays' official coat of arms
I wonder which side they were backing, I need to reasearch this further I guess.
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Extralien
reply to post by BMorris
 


Just be aware that RBS are under investigation for this too.

They may have just had a glitch, but it seems they arein the same bed as Barclays.
You could try the co-operative bank.
I actually use a building society, has its limitations but I don't have the same problems a lot of others have.



Indeed I think Barclays cut a deal so it will be the likes of RBS which are harder hit, the only independant bank in the UK is the Airdrie savings bank, last time I checked they let you open an account with 5p
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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Nothing will happen David Cameron is all talk and no action when it comes to real issues. You can bet if someone who was poor and desperate to put food on the table did something similar, they would rot in jail.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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apparently it affects trillions and trillions of dollars


Big business is nothing more criminal syndicates.They are the enemies of humanity and the earth.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Firefly_
Nothing will happen David Cameron is all talk and no action when it comes to real issues. You can bet if someone who was poor and desperate to put food on the table did something similar, they would rot in jail.


I agreee, Cameron has many skeletons in his own closet, for instance the Astra Holding affair for which there is a thread on here and which should see him spend the rest of his life in prison, his families offshore trust in Panama a known drugs hub and their subseqent accounts in Geneva, not to mention his ongoing use of coc aine, he is as corrupt as they come, he went to school with and was a member of the bullingdon club alongside George Osbourne - our chancellor to those outside the UK, Boris Johnson- current mayor of London and of course Nat Rothschild.

Nats father Jacob is of course close friends with Lord Mandleson, who was allegedly caught having an illicit liason with Gordon Brown in his office by an aide whilst in opposition. *This may be protected by super injunction*
This is according to a republished passage in a book released by a former MI6 agent, this passage was redacted in the released version but the chapter was later published on cryptome in full


William Hague apparently also leads a lie and is invovled with Lord Coe though I think this came out in the press in the end. The Gordon bit is not widely known, likely because of the super injunction.

Here is the passage that was redacted, it is from a book called MI6: Inside the Covert World of Her Majesty's Secret Intelligence ...

cryptome.org...

The passage in question


** There have been numerous rumours in areas of Whitehall's intelligence community that while in opposition, Mr Cook used a well know high class London based escort agency (A****) [A reader suggests "Adam's"] - apparently the preferred choice of several MP's and Whitehall civil servants.

The Security and Intelligence services keep on file indiscretions, however politically sensitive, of crown servants, MP's etc - An example of that would be the sexual encounter that occurred between Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson (interrupted accidentally by a member of Michael Meacher's staff) in Gordon Brown's office at the House of Commons while in opposition and is still only known to a very select number of Commons and Whitehall hierarchy. The services are also aware of the sexual relationship between Mr Hague and Mr Coe.


There is a saying - at Oxford its drugs, at Cambridge its boys. Liars, buggers and theives the lot of them

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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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You dont need all that information to know they are corrupt. Its evident by their actions, and distinct lack of them in some cases. Its so obvious to anyone with a brain, yet nobody seems to care and millions vote these disgusting creatures into power every 5 years.



posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Ahh here we go, some links between Barclays and the Nazis, Mugabes Zimbabwe and apartheid South Africa

www.guardian.co.uk...




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Focus: Hitler's British bankers
Holocaust shame of Barclays

The bank's Paris branch offered names of Jewish staff to its Nazi masters, writes Antony Barnett

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guardian.co.uk, Sunday 28 March 1999 02.40 BST

When the Nazis marched into Paris in June 1940, many Parisians feared for their lives. But the city's bankers had other pressing concerns – how best to protect their institutions' financial interests.

No one knew who was going to win the war so, like good capitalists anywhere, a number of French bankers decided to look after number one. Hitler? Churchill? Business is business.

Swiss banks have long stood accused of collaborating with the Nazis, but now The Observer has uncovered astonishing evidence of how the Third Reich was helped by a financial institution much better known on the British high street.


Or


Documents from the US national archives reveal how senior officials from Barclays Bank based in France 'volunteered' information about its Jewish employees to the Nazis and helped to arrange finance for projects to sustain Hitler's war machine.

The bank also received a large cash deposit from the Drancy transit camp in a north-east suburb of Paris, from which French Jews were sent across the border to die in concentration camps. The money was plundered from the Jewish prisoners bound for Auschwitz.




Some gems from this article below
knowmore.org...


"A week ago, the United Kingdom's Barclays Bank agreed to a $3.6m payout to compensate the families of those whose assets were seized by Barclays branches in France during the Nazi occupation."


Barclays 2007 Sustainability Report stated that “We also want to ensure that we uphold human rights, in the projects that we finance, the communities in which we operate and among our employees.”[1] In the past Barclays Bank has not had the same focus and even today cases arise that question Barclays commitment to being a responsible company.



SOUTH AFRICA:

Barclays were under intense scrutiny in the 1980s for its financial support for South Africa’s racist apartheid regime. The company legacy was re-evaluated in 2005 when it attempted to purchase one of South Africa’s largest banks, Absa. Activist groups ‘Jubilee South Africa’ and Khulumani organized large-scale protests and marches against the potential purchase and reminded observers of Barclays’ past support for the apartheid regime. Citigroup, Commerzbank, Duetsche Bank AG, JP Morgan Chase, Credit Suisse Bank were also guilty of providing funding for the regime at a time when embargoes were in place to delegitimise the racist regime. Khulumani writes, “in 1980, for example, the South African Government issued a DM120 million public bond on the Eurobond Market. The response from the banks was enthusiastic, oversubscribing the bond by 25%. Funding repression was extremely profitable.” Barclays denied and continues to deny any wrongdoing, even up to and beyond the Khulumani v. Barclays lawsuit





ZIMBABWE:

Despite claims of high ethical and human-rights standards it is not difficult to highlight cases of Barclays’ hypocrisy and unethical actions. Recently it has provided £30 million to financially aid Robert Mugabe’s seizure of white-owned farms and the expulsion of 100,000 black workers from their homes.[8] Facing widespread criticism, Barclays could only offer a meek response that failed to apologize for its complicity in human rights abuses. “Barclays spokesmen say the bank has had customers in Zimbabwe for decades and abandoning them now would make matters worse, 'We are committed to continuing to provide a service to those customers in what is clearly a difficult operating environment."[9]

Furthermore, The Guardian and The Zimbabwe Times reports that Barclays have illegally ignored European Union sanctions against Mugabe’s corrupt regime by supplying two of Mugabe’s most senior henchmen bank accounts. Liberal Democrat M.P. Norman Lamb remarks that, “there are at least two members - and I understand maybe four - of Mugabe's regime on the sanctions list who have received personal banking services from Barclays. [These are] individuals who are involved in the land-grab strategy, which has wreaked economic havoc on the country. One individual faces serious accusations of personal involvement in that process."[10]

Barclays Bank was able to avoid sanctions by providing funds through a local Zimbabwean branch. Local companies escape the net of European sanctions. “Mr Lamb said: "Had these services been provided by an EU-based company, there would have been a clear breach, but Barclays managed to avoid the sanctions regime…Surely it is scandalous that a British company – via a local subsidiary – is providing financial support and sustenance to this brutal regime and to key figures within it





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posted on Jun, 30 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Tried looking into the Agius bloodline again a bit and came across this tree, still looking through it
www.maltagenealogy.com...

another going further back
www.maltagenealogy.com...

So far only this guy is jumping out but early days yet, a servant of Rome/illuminati?
www.timesofmalta.com...

www.findagrave.com...

Some nice pics of the Catherdral
casaveneracion.com...

I think this picture from the front door of Manilla Cathedral should get the conspiracy going again....


taken from here
www.whale.to...

Ive been reading a little about the hisorty of this church, its seems there were 8 due to it being damaged, the 5th states
www.manilacathedral.org...

The Manila Cathedral, which by now closely resembled the Church of Il Gesu in Rome , was inaugurated on December 8, 1760
which is of course

The Church of the Gesù is the mother church of the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic religious order also known as the Jesuits.

en.wikipedia.org...

According to one source he was a member of The Benedictine Order
www.findagrave.com...


Three of his nephews, Dom Ambrose Agius (1890 - 1978), Dom Denis Agius (1913 - 1936), and Dom Christopher Calascione became likewise Members of the Benedictine Order.


However, as far as I can gather Pius X himself was opposed to the illuminati/gnosticism in the church and he seemed to put a lot of stock in Ambrose Agius, perhaps mistakenly? He even made him Papal Legate-designate to Washington, DC. At the time this prestigious post usually led to the holder’s nomination as cardinal. He died the next month in perhaps mysterious circumstances.


Officially, Mgr Agius died within two days of suffering an acute attack of peritonitis, but considering the turbulent situation in the Philippines at the time, many did not exclude that he died “in dubious circumstances, possibly murdered” (see D. Arrigo, Daughter of an Empire – a family history, 2003, notes in Ch.1, no. 28).


I guess the real question here is when was the illuminati symbolism installed, 1958 when it was rebuilt after ruin in 1945 or were these remnants from any of its previous 7 incarnations?
Hopefully the above provides some food for though re the Agius link, I will try to research further with the rest of the tree now to see if there is anything else which seems pertinent

PS does the fact of this church having "The 33 Windows of the Chapels" provide another illuminati link?
www.manilacathedral.org...

And to quickly try and get back on topic before I run out of editing time, I mentioned above the 3 crowns on the Barclays logo, the triple crown, or the fleur-de-lis is an old Babylonian thing .... present in the Vatican as shown here
amazingdiscoveries.org...
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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Why these criminals are not behind bars for fraud and embezzlement say's more about the endemic corruption of modern society than it does with the banksters.

I would like to know how many people and families over these four years of fake interest rates have lost their homes as a direct consequence. How many people of the world died of starvation due to this fraud based on greed of the already rich?

Corruption in the UK is rife and is the domain of the rich and who pay for it? We the common people. Those with little to no wealth and no say or power.

We pay with our jobs, businesses, homes. Our pensions, savings and our children’s futures. The prisons are bursting with inmates there for petty crimes, debt, dole fraud and drug addiction. There appears to be no space for politicians that defrauded the state. For the rich and multi nationals avoiding paying massive amounts of tax. For media giants ignoring the law and banksters for a whole catalogue of crimes the ordinary person on the street would be imprisoned for even while awaiting trial.

This is a 'do as I say not as I do' society where we have fooled ourselves we are free and not the surfs and slaves of old. Only good for tending the horses of the rich and dying in foreign lands at the whims and for the entertainment of the powerful.


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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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Well, looks like a few things are starting to happen..

This afternoon this report came up on the news;
RBS has sacked four traders over the Libor-fixing scandal

And just a few moments ago, this one was a surprise to see.. but glad to see it


Barclays bank chairman Marcus Agius to resign

Now all we need to do is find them all guilty of something.. and lock the lot up.



posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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I hope he resigns his bbc post asap as well. Then I hope we lock him up and investigate whether there has been any insider trading etc going on.

I dont fully understand the banking system, I dont think anyone is supposed to, but would a merchant bank such as NM Rothschild not be lending money to a commercial bank like Barclays? They could certainly benefit from knowing about rigged rates amongst commercial banks if so.

Perhaps this is why N M Rothschild was bought out recently by the French branch of the family?
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posted on Jul, 1 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Now, as always, none of these big players will ever see the inside of a court room, let alone a cell.
The big bankers get a free pass when it comes to criminal activity, something the small-fry shyster fleecing granny out of a few quid could only dream about.

But, we are told, time and time again, that we must let the banks regulate themselves and, when these big problems become public, we must allow the banks to fix them in their own way and time because, well, they know best... don't they?
Successive governments, themselves beholden to the big financial interests, should all be behind bars for decades of fraud and fleecing the public. Let all those criminal enterprises fail due to their own greed and fraud and jail those involved, from the top down. After all, those highly paid chairmen are ultimately responsible, surely! Jail a few of them and seize every penny and asset they have. Turn THEIR families onto the street and see how they like it.



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