Anon72 - excellent post. Informative, thoughtful, balanced, thought provoking.

NG is probably just cashing in on a meme. It's a meme that may or may not be rooted in reality.

I don't think we can easily dismiss the reports of highly qualified and reputable researchers and reporters though.

Disclosure seems to be happening in drips and fits and starts, ably abetted by those I believe to be gvt plants.

Originally posted by Foley03a4
I see UFOs in the sky on a regular weekly basis,They have became that common recently. Last year I saw maybe 1 every month,This year all I have to do is sit out on the porch for a half hour and will see one every night. The white and or orange orb of light floating across the sky. I've seen them appear and disappear out of thin air,They will be going one direction then suddenly stop and go in the direction they came from. They also often lower into the tree line. It's became so common that I don't get too excited when I seem them anymore,It's like 'Oh there they are again'... It's funny,I even see Fighter Jets from Camp Grayling pass right by these orbs,I wonder if the pilots see them and what they think about it.

You're seeing UFOs on a weekly basis? I find statements such as these pretty outstanding, given the absence of reliable or conclusive evidence on the whole phenomenon.

I'm more inclined to say that, given how often you claim to see UFOs, that you're simply misidentifying what you're seeing. I hope that you at least admit this possibility otherwise you fall right into the category of "seeing what you want to see", right along with kids playing make-believe.

I will be looking forward to this, regardless of the agenda behind it.

Originally posted by anon72


I have to say that the argument, for me, comes down to a question I ask a good bit..

What makes more sense.

Humans crawling as some fish from the sea and the growing to become a human?
or

Humans being created by God (Adam and Eve)-being guided by messages to one person, via a burning bush....?

Or

Humans being placed on earth or created on earth by intelligent beings from another world?

So who created them - who created our alien creators ?

Did another Alien race create them ?

Somewhere down the line there was no Alien race around to create another, since there had to be a first.

So that leaves us back at your first 2 options i'm afraid: Evolution or God....

Your logic doesn't eliminate the possibility of God, it just sidesteps it.

And if God is our creator, then where did God come from - if God was created by something (another God!) then who created that God...?

Ultimately we're left with Evolution - even God must evolve (have come from something)! I don't mean to blaspheme and offend anyone, so an alternative answer regarding the origin of God is most welcome.

Yah, Bat Guano, Discoveup and or the other plethora of UFO "evidence" shows won't be suckering me in any more time too soon.

Every time one of these purported to sail away with something new, we just get handed a lot of old droll, shaky camera "pic-dots", and commercials selling me car insurance.

I'm with others on here who are tired of the same old Ancient Atlantis Triangles buried under secret government desert bases.

On the other hand, once I realized that and finally came here I was amazed at all the expert diggers who brought information and sites about old cases I remember when I was growing up. That fed my wondering mind more than anything I ever got from the media. I am totally grateful for that ATS.

The MSM flaunts tidbits, but there is no real meat there. This is the place for finding out the truth about something unknown. I want expert debunkers to chew it over and spit out the result whatever that may be. Blindly accepting something to get warm fuzzy they're heeere feelings is not what this site is about. Plenty of reports are not debunked here either.

Why do people still think crop circles prove anything?

We know most have been debunked, we know people have came forward but most importantly they are one of the most absurd ways for an alien race to communicate with us. You come 90 billion light years, fold dimensions, time travel or whatever and the best you can do is screw up a farmers field in the middle of nowhere.

Give me a break....I'm a believer but that scenario is just stupid beyond words.

Any race wishing to leave us a message we could understand could place it in a area or way that is impossible to recreate, mathematics would be shared language, not pics of Mandelbrots, the maths would need to give an answer not just show a maths formula graphically.

Why would you show a Mandelbrot anyway, we would believe any space faring people to be well beyond that phase of maths, showing it to us would basically say "we understand maths" which would be a given.

There's no point in those sorts of images..

Face it, crop circles are the production of over enthusiastic EARTH minds and hoaxers.

Real contact will not come from them..

Believe in UFOs.......UFO does not stand for alien spaceships.....it is Unidentified Flying Object.....so we have to believe there are things we cannot identify in our skies.
This program will not allow us to know more about the enigma...will probably sensationalise it and if like other shows, just trivialise and ridicule believers.
We need Full Disclosure now!

You know, it seems that those in news or movies or whatever media, always portray 'us, the establishment', 'those trying to capture pictures or actual craft' as inept or unable to, or without the means to, intercept and identify these supposed ufo's. I could go on with a long tirade, but it's all been said before, pro and con.

But hay, were all loosing sight of the fact.....uh......... Dec. 21 2012..... after that it won't matter, ......lol.

Hows that saying go? ..... if you can't capture them with the truth, dazzel them with BS...... lol.

Mclaineinc, I just can't agree with you....... there are too many that have been authenticated and of such complexity, it couldn't have been simply Nigel and Sir Bob.....

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"We know most have been debunked, we know people have came forward but most importantly they are one of the most absurd ways for an alien race to communicate with us. You come 90 billion light years, fold dimensions, time travel or whatever and the best you can do is screw up a farmers field in the middle of nowhere.

Give me a break....I'm a believer but that scenario is just stupid beyond words.

Any race wishing to leave us a message we could understand could place it in a area or way that is impossible to recreate, mathematics would be shared language, not pics of Mandelbrots, the maths would need to give an answer not just show a maths formula graphically."

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That's a pretty 'blanket' statement.
Where better to place a message, somewhere that would be monitored for just such an event. What would constitute a 'Real' circle message...? Tagging the United Nations building in green and orange neon paint?It also seems that mathmatics would be the one shared 'mean' of all who space traveled. Plotting courses would not be too easy just thinking it to happen, there are trajectories to take into consideration, speeds, time frames and a likely plethora of mathmatical calculations to perform to reach a desired location distant in space.

As for the charlatans i lived just up the road from david icke..
He talks aload of drivel but unlike the rest i think he actually believes what he is saying.

I did not like the way he looked at my sister and missed taking his head off his shoulders by inches
one day!..

Crop circles are a con to bring in the tourists.......

Originally posted by pearlmoon
My father was an Air Force pilot who later worked at the pentagon. He told me that UFOs don't exist, but I always had trouble believing he really meant it. Maybe it is true that the military, maybe DARPA, has some really high-tech phenomenal aircraft/spacecraft that is secretly being tested and freaking us out. But, that might not mean that there aren't also aliens here as well.

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Yes!! you are right the closest so far..

I live in portsmouth home to the navy) england
my house is 30feet from one of many naval bases with connections to america
Theres more secrets here than any on western soil..

I am not telling why where exactly or how...

What i will say is there is craft they have that you would not believe!!!.
you think your stealth fighters were controlled and tested in america..

wrong they were tested in portsmouth england
i cant say i just cant say sorry...

Portsmouth england is home to many a secret many...
they have underground tunnels running everywhere rooms you would not
believe black projects that look like ET SPACESHIPS SAUCERS.

I know for a fact that they are man made and when the time comes
if there is ever a war a proper one saucers will fill the sky you just wait.

Are they man made ...YES
Will i tell you how or why ...NO WAY

Should you believe me... I DONT CARE

Originally posted by Vespasian
Believe in UFOs.......UFO does not stand for alien spaceships.....it is Unidentified Flying Object.....so we have to believe there are things we cannot identify in our skies.
This program will not allow us to know more about the enigma...will probably sensationalise it and if like other shows, just trivialise and ridicule believers.
We need Full Disclosure now!

You are not going to get full disclosure regarding top secret air craft
untill there is a world war three .

They are not going to hand out the blue prints to you to satisfy your own curiosity
That wont happen ..

You got your disclosure with the stealth fighters, and youll get more soon
with another project. untill then people will start to assume greeen men

Maybe when a certain craft comes out in the public, people will not fall for the same thing
Again..

wishfull whistlin dixie sounds..

There is no aliens none.
Natural phenomena YES
intelligent suckers can follow you around like a fly, seen many around.