American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI

reply to post by iIuminaIi


and you have answered me this yet

i have never seen any *Orthodox* Christians engaging in such brutal manners against others who decided to change religion, be gay... or even be women who wear trousers!!!! If i am wrong please do correct me

reply to post by iIuminaIi

talk about inflammatory.
how would you respond if signs were posted that read: 5 words Muslims cannot comprehend ... peace, assimilation, honor, dignity, cooperation ??

Eh.. As much as I hate ALL religions, the Christian group had the right to be there, and had the right to safely do what they needed to do. Violence is never a legal response to something simply because you don't like it.

There's really no grey area here.

One thing to keep in mind when talking about Mohammed is

His followers get angry

VERY ANGRY

reply to post by skepticconwatcher


Thank you. I was going to try, but I couldn't have said it better myself.

reply to post by petrus4


That is the problem, a significant proportion of Muslims practicing Islam DO believe in those violent passages. Just your post alone would target you for death.

Originally posted by redneck13

One thing to keep in mind when talking about Mohammed is

His followers get angry

VERY ANGRY

There's a lot of fanaticism and ugliness on both sides of the argument. I don't blame Islam for 9/11; I blame psychopaths within the American government. At the same time, however, we also do have a Muslim in this very thread, who is quoting with approval, verses from the Qu'ran which supposedly instruct Muslims to murder the infidels.

The psychopaths who were responsible for 9/11, very much want Muslims and non-Muslims to fight and kill each other. Muslims need to stop giving the elements of the Qu'ran which tell them to do that, the full weight of spiritual authority on the one hand, and non-Muslims need to recognise said elements of the Qu'ran as being spiritually illegitimate, on the other.

There needs to cease being a reliance purely on scripture as a means of knowing the nature of God, and more of an attempt to actually commune with God, on an individual basis. The reason why, I think, you don't see Islamic women in these crowds with their men, screaming for non-Muslim blood, is because it has always been easier for women to do that. They are more intuitive. Men have our own gifts and our own value as well, but we are more logical in nature.

God speaks primarily through intuition; and that is why men do not hear as well.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by petrus4

 

That is the problem, a significant proportion of Muslims practicing Islam DO believe in those violent passages. Just your post alone would target you for death.

I've been in fear for my life where Islam is concerned already. Those who believe that they must hate, and must only spare the lives of others who hate, are not their own master. I know who is, and that is who my grievance is with; not with them. It is the Illuminati, who want to set all of us against each other. It is not Islam's God.

I am not criticising Islam. I am actually criticising those who claim to be Muslims, but who demonstrate themselves as infidels by their own actions. Throw out the lie of abrogation, and look at the earlier passages of the Qu'ran. The hate is not there.

It is only in the latter sections, and after that, it is the hypocrites who use the concept of abrogation to give weight to the justifications for murder, that their own kind wrote. Those who would claim what I have written as an excuse to kill me, would likely seek to do so anyway. They are murderers; ultimately the excuse does not matter.

Originally posted by redneck13

One thing to keep in mind when talking about Mohammed is

His followers get angry

VERY ANGRY

You are indeed correct, haha.

Unfortunately, violence is not a legal response to someone simply for making you angry. Even VERY angry, or EXTREMELY angry. It is still illegal to resort to violence.

But yeah... they do get mad.

reply to post by petrus4


We know what forces were involved in 911
No need to do paragraphs of smoke and mirrors to try to convince yourself as wise
Islamic extremist.

Originally posted by redneck13
reply to post by petrus4

 

We know what forces were involved in 911
No need to do paragraphs of smoke and mirrors to try to convince yourself as wise
Islamic extremist.

I'm not a Muslim at all, redneck13. If you'd actually read my earlier post in this thread, as well as numerous other threads I've made on this forum, you would know that.

reply to post by petrus4

I could have swore your claiming that the secret illuminati is responsible for the 911 attack when it was justly based in the quran
There is nothing secret about the whos and the whys
We should build a masque there ya

reply to post by petrus4


Its not just Muslims. A good majority of Christians are just as blood thirsty. We should all be afraid of organized religion of any kind. That's my opinion.

reply to post by ollncasino


Old testament says a lot of things, so does new testament. Just like the Koran. None of it really means anything. The true knowledge, discovery and enlightenment is between you and whatever caused this universe to happen. You will not find wisdom in books, you might however find it in nature, but never in the logic that humanity has adapted.

But back to the video.

Yeah. They are being attacked. But at the same time would any of you feel sorry for me if I showed up to a slipknot concert wearing a "I heart Beiber" shirt? I'm pretty sure a lot of people say I was just asking for it.

reply to post by tribaltrip


Sure, some of them might want to kick your ass.
However, it would be totally illegal for them to do so.

The issue is that the muslims are acting illegally toward the christian group and none are actually in any sort of "trouble" for it. It doesn't matter that they are angry. Their actions weren't legal.

I could walk up to you and say things that get you angry. I could even do it because my intent is for you to respond with violence. The bottom line is that your violent, physical response would be illegal EVEN though I royally pissed you off.

reply to post by iIuminaIi


HAHA... Excuse me while I laugh.......Here's a more apt analogy: lets compare the axis of each religion, Christianity, new testament, and Islam, the Quran. That simple comparison in itself will reveal a total hole in your argument. The former is almost wholly benign in it's language, it's imagery and ultimately in the philosophy it conveys; while in Islam, one can get both the good, in the first parts of the Quran, but in the latter parts, which has been called "The Quran of Medina", which can be likened to the action element relative to the principle which animates it, and the bad. For instance, the Quran in the first part enunciates the ideal: what to pursue i.e. connection with Allah, the Godhead, and the reality he seeks to establish on earth. The latter part, the rigid law of Medina, calls for action, and action when related back to the Godhead becomes it's inverted image: the undifferentiated Godhead pours it's bounty into the moral relativity of the action; the both are necessarily paradoxical, the former in it's essential way, the latter in a discursive way. Thus, Islam, in it's essential message, and it's recorded history, unveils itself to all who have the hears to hear, the eyes to see and the brain to read.

Islam will go to WHATEVER extent possible to achieve it's end target - the reality enunciated in the first parts of the Quran. This means lying (an official shi'ite doctrine called Taqiya), cheating, killing, raping (which happens quite often in Muslim raids) stealing, extorting, humiliating etc, to procure it's goal. It is something that everyone who cares to rise above the disinformation and distortion of the truth through petty and shallow comparisons between apples and bananas to know.

Christianity may be guilty of much, and indeed, it is ironic that the New testament which formed the backbone of Church theology, paradoxically, had nothing practical to say about how the world should actually function. This may too reflect a dichotomy between ideal - the new testament - and the world of action, where ends often seem to justify the means taken.

Point Being, Christians, the average joe fundamentalist types, don't know a thing, usually, about the inner philosophical approach to Christianity. They are thus contained by the official doctrine and central axis of their religion, the new testament. Conversely, the average Muslim follows a religion a little less discrete, making clear both the esoteric and exoteric mode of his religion; both in it's applicative state, as Jihad, and it's principled state, of communion with God. Muslims are thus almost wholly affected by the crux of their central text, which makes them more liable to be more aggressive, pugnacious and zealous in interpersonal and inter-religious relations, but also and especially with non Muslims which the Quran very unmistakably commands all Muslims to distrust, dislike and in special situations, to put to the sword if they refuse conversion.

Sorry, but they like totally asked to be hit with objects when they interrupted a festival. That's there own stupid fault. I'm not going to show any sympathy for them.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

If a Christian group was crashing a Muslim festival, they obviously had some point of contention and expected backlash. They also seemed to expect the police to protect them. Why?

Natural consequences, if I throw trash in your yard, you have every right to kick it back in mine, and if it escalates and you kick my ass..... fine. That is what happens to people when they pick fights, eventually they get their ass kicked.

Good for the Muslims.

Uh hello? This is ATS, this post and the people staring it need to get out. I didn't know being lawless and criminal was so popular.

Originally posted by Turq1

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

If a Christian group was crashing a Muslim festival, they obviously had some point of contention and expected backlash. They also seemed to expect the police to protect them. Why?

Natural consequences, if I throw trash in your yard, you have every right to kick it back in mine, and if it escalates and you kick my ass..... fine. That is what happens to people when they pick fights, eventually they get their ass kicked.

Good for the Muslims.

Uh hello? This is ATS, this post and the people staring it need to get out. I didn't know being lawless and criminal was so popular.

We live in a world where people respond emotionally to nearly everything these days. It's so very sad.