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American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by OpinionatedB

Better yet, why not allow people who are doing nothing but trying to live their lives in peace alone and not shoving pigs heads in their faces and calling them evil for owning a home and going to work everyday like everyone else in America?

Why not decide we are allowed to live in peace?


You are extremely charged with anger I can taste it.

If you go into public property you do not have a reasonable expectation to be "left alone" at least in relation to someone saying something to you or holding a sign.

For example in public, corporations can purchase billboards and put it in your face. You have to choose to ignore it.

Or for example a homeless guy on the side of the street, you can ignore him too if you choose. His sign begging for money isn't forcing you to do anything technically.

So how about You learn to tolerate other people in public places and stop trying to suppress everyone else's right to peacefully assemble and speak simply because you feel like they should be suppressed.

I will hold any sign I want, and you cannot do anything about it. That's life.
I am me and you are you. You control you, I control me.

This is really simple and I am amazed you cannot get it through your skull that other humans are sovereign beings and decide for themselves how they want to live. If they want to protest other people all day, so be it. Go protest them back if you care so much.

Advocating violence is sickening and reprehensible. I will have no part in it.
And I will be here in the way anytime someone even hints at it.




posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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I'm blown away by not only the crowd's response to the "Christians" at the festival, but also the responses of the sheeple on this thread. At the same time , I realize the general population are... let's just say not too bright.

Regardless of what intentions the "Christians" had at the festival, it was in the United States of America, and we have laws in this country, regardless of provocation or what "we" think is just or unjust. If a woman wears revealing clothes, it does not mean she is asking to be fondled or raped. If a wife cheats or pisses off her husband, it doesn't justify him beating her up. If I get cut off while driving my car, it doesn't mean I can throw a fit of road rage and retaliate on the other driver.

I live in Las Vegas, NV, and near the Las Vegas strip, we have hispanic groups handing out call-girl ads on the sidewalks as you walk past the casinos. They are usually large groups of people all in a line, flicking a card with pictures of naked girls, literally in your face as you walk by. They see you tell the guy before them no, but the next guy and each guy after flicks a card in your face. Doesn't matter if you are with your family, they all take turns shoving that crap in your face. Does that mean I should beat them up? Everyone who thinks I should beat them up, should move to a third world country, and stay there, please.

I think the most disheartening part of this whole thing is the police, who did not do their job, which is to enforce the law. Lately, I feel they are just a revenue generating agency. These are indeed very sad times. TrueAmerican, you are one of the few of an extinct species.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by deadeyedick

Originally posted by IamNob0dy
People , please.......................






I'm not sure Bill Gates is exactly the most desirable example of positive atheistic morality. If Gates is an example of the best atheists think they can do, morally, then I'd say they have a serious problem.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Explain to me one thing to please that’s being bugging me for a while..

Isn’t Muslim religion supposed to be promoting love, peace and unity amongst the people (like every other religion)...

But why is Muslim religion is constantly participating in so many wars going on in the world?
Why does Muslim religion allow and promote hateful actions?? For example, few weeks ago a Muslim person decided to become Christian.... and what did they do??? They COUGHT his head off !!!! (I have the video link if you want but the image is to raw)

Please don’t misunderstand my question, i have NOTHING against Muslims! But these are some things that have been bugging me for a while...



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Ok, I don't even know what to think of this one. Looks like a bunch of Christians walk into a predominately Muslim festival, if I am understanding this right, and well...watch for yourself what happens.



They get stoned, egged, bottled, and cursed at by American Muslims. The police, outnumbered by a lot, are put in the position of having to escort the Christian group out. Even though they aren't the ones throwing the stuff!

So what is right here? Who is right here? The video guy makes some excellent points like "They can't give us two officers to protect us, but they sure can get 14 to lead us out!"

But I figured this one might provide an interesting conversation piece for the political madness forum- cause this is madness, if nothing else. Both sides have a right, but the police must make decisions based on manpower... Bizarre.

:shk:


People need to watch the video to understand what this is about, but I suspect most here will not take the 22:34 minutes to watch this.

When I first saw this thread, I assumed it was about a group of militant Fundamentalist Christians who went to a Muslim festival to provoke the Muslims with insults. Then I watched the video.

The previous year, a small group of Christians assembled peacefully at the Muslim festival and had things thrown at them. The police did nothing to protect the Christians from the Muslim attacks. This spurred a "freedom of speech" lawsuit.

In this clip, you see a small band of Christians went back to this year's Muslim festival.
They had requested a "bullpen" to assemble in, the request was ignored by the city officials.
They requested a couple of policemen to stay with them, since the attacks lessoned if the police were there. The Christians assembled peacefully with their signs. They were not allowed to use their bull horns, as they had the previous year.

The Christians did NOT throw things at the Muslims.
The Christians did NOT scream obscenities at the Muslims.

In return for assembling peacefully, the Christians were pelted with chunks of concrete, rocks, plastic crates, filled bottles, and had urine thrown on them. Most of this was done (intentionally) by dozens & dozens (maybe a hundred) Muslim minors -- teenagers and even children -- while the Muslim adults stood by to watch. These Muslim kids also screamed obscenities at the Christians.

I thought their shouting that the Christians were a bunch of p*ssies was amusing. I mean nothing is lower in the world than female genitalia.


The Christians asked the Police again for a couple of policemen to stay with them. They were told the Police did not have enough manpower for that.

The Christians were told to leave or they might be cited for "disorderly conduct" -- even though they had done NOTHING disorderly.

The police completely ignored the Muslims who were disorderly. Even though they had drawn blood from not only the Christians, but at least one policeman.

So the Police, who could not spare two policemen to stay with the Christians to quell the violence, could suddenly spare a dozen policemen to ensure the Christians left.

What this does is jeopardize freedom of speech & assembly.

What this does is "reward riotous behavior" for now the Dearborn Muslims KNOW that all they have to do is riot and the police will cave to appease them.

I am disgusted with the Dearborn Muslims -- these are not civilized people.

I am really disgusted with the Dearborn Police, who should have arrested Muslims left & right. Apparently, they are more concerned about being "politically correct" so they won't be branded as "Islamophobes," than they are about upholding the law.

This is really about the Police upholding the law.

A side issue is how truly nasty Muslim teens & children are -- and how nasty their Muslim parents are for allowing this kind of behavior.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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WOW, uh like,

you NAILED THE WHOLE PROBLEM IN ONE SENTENCE,

'not likely to happen in my lifetime so who gives a F*k about the Future generations right?'

wonder what YOUR life [and your generation] life would be today IF our forefathers/foremothers of Numerous faiths, who fought WWII,

would have had that utterly SELFISH AND SELF SERVING attitude?

yea so what if the world is plunged back into 3000 B.C., so what if the Witch hunts happen again, so what if more are arrested for petty things and forced into horrid slavery,

not MY problem, oh no, not My lifetime, not MY neighborhood, not MY problem,

but first time it HITS you or YOUR area, then it's

"OH MY GOSH CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS, WHY THE NERVE, WHAT'S WRONG WITH OUR WORLD, WHY IT'S THAT EEEEVVVVIIIILLLL GUBERMENT, WHY IT'S THAT NWO, WHY IT'S THOSE DAMN FEMINISTS, WHY IT'S THOSE IMMIGRANTS

no, NO,

it's selfish, spoiled, decadent, self serving no future vision folks who don't worry about it because

well hey,

not gonna happen TO THEM

or in THEIR LIFETIME.

Okie Dokie,

pass de pipe, while we sing Kumbayah and Never MIND how many are Dying in Iraq or Afghanistan or Sudan or Kosovo or Chechnya or Columbia or Peru or Congo or Central America or the Prisons or anywhere else for that matter,

why it's NOT happening to me or in MY lifetime,

OK then...carry on, carry on...why it's ONLY freedom, no big deal.

uh duh, must be Somedin in de water [until That runs out, which could possibly BE IN YOUR LIFETIME, UH DUH DUH DUH]



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Six6Six
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Clearly you are hostile to Christianity and even more hostile to Islam. Actually you are genocidal towards Muslims.

So what are you interests? I know you said you are an atheist but your nickname is 'six6six'. Are you a Satanist?

There is the other possibility that you could be a zionist and Israeli firster, so lessons on patriotism should be the last thing you should be offering.
edit on Fri Jun 29 2012 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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But why is Muslim religion is constantly participating in so many wars going on in the world?


My take is that the Christian US is the one engaged in wars all over the world. What was the Vietnam war, the Iraq war, the Afghanistan War, the drone killings in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, what about the Korean war, the US death squads in Central America, Chile....

There is most definitely something very wrong with the US and it is individual like you at the back end of US government policies.

All you can come up with is blaming Muslim victims.
edit on 27-6-2012 by Ilovecatbinlady because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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I have posted this alread a few times.
You don't have the right to post that sign if it's going to cause trouble.
there is case law from the supreme courts on the books.

the answer is no you can't if the speech is going to start a riot for instance.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by AuranVector
The Christians were told to leave or they might be cited for "disorderly conduct" -- even though they had done NOTHING disorderly.


I would ask who was the owner of the property they were on, or if it was public property.

I understand that as a Christian, you likely have the opinion that Christians should be permitted a legal double standard in order to make a nuisance of themselves, if they so wish, because after all, Christians have exclusive spiritual authority granted to them by Jesus Christ, as a result of the Great Commission...so if they want to act like douchebags in pretty much any way they please, then the rest of us just have to put up with it, right?

The only problem is, that the Muslims and the Atheists also think the same way. The Muslims think that there is no God but Allah, and the Atheists will cite their own tin god Science as the source of their special privelege.

Ideally, the law is supposed to be neutral; which means that Christians don't get to disturb the peace any more than anyone else. Before you respond again with your pedantic crap about them assembling "peacefully," know that as far as I'm concerned, it also means that if someone else is holding an event in a place, and they don't want you within either auditory or visual range, then they have a right to that.

I'd think the same if it was Muslims who went to cause trouble at a function that Christians were holding.

Yes, I understand that the Muslims probably reacted excessively, because Muslim men (and you virtually never see Islamic women behaving violently) genuinely do believe that they have not only the right, but the divine mission, to murder and assimilate everyone else on the planet who doesn't share their views; but if I am going to uphold the right of anyone to hold their own functions, I have to uphold said right for everyone.

It also needs to be pointed out that Christianity can be, and often historically has been, every bit as chauvanistic and murderously dominant as Islam. Human beings, however, are generally cowardly opportunists when it comes to these things, and these two religions are no different. When the numbers of either Islam or Christianity in a given area are low, then they both tend to cringe, cry, and play the victim. You'll only see either of the two groups engage in violence, when they are confident of their numbers.

I also understand, that yes, in terms of its' central figure and therefore example, Islam is a considerably more barbaric religion than Christianity. Muhammed was a Napoleonic figure; Jesus Christ was a pacifist. However, the reality is that very few Christians truly take Christ's example seriously. Many Christians are just as violent as they would be if they had Muhammed for their own exemplar as well.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Ok, I don't even know what to think of this one. Looks like a bunch of Christians walk into a predominately Muslim festival, if I am understanding this right, and well...watch for yourself what happens.



They get stoned, egged, bottled, and cursed at by American Muslims. The police, outnumbered by a lot, are put in the position of having to escort the Christian group out. Even though they aren't the ones throwing the stuff!

So what is right here? Who is right here? The video guy makes some excellent points like "They can't give us two officers to protect us, but they sure can get 14 to lead us out!"

But I figured this one might provide an interesting conversation piece for the political madness forum- cause this is madness, if nothing else. Both sides have a right, but the police must make decisions based on manpower... Bizarre.

:shk:


It's simple who is right here... The Christians are right here. They are not breaking any laws while the Muslims ARE!!!!

That's what it boils down to...

This makes me SICK@@@@!!!!!

We have the right to free speech, both sides are allowed to say anything they want to the others, once assaults start occurring, the people who are assaulting are breaking the law and need to be arrested.

This is disgusting, it goes against EVERY principle of this country.

Jaden



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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You left out the Frisbee that thrown at them. BTW, those things with the insulting banners are not there "because of what happened last year", they are there to provoke and antagonise. Why don't they go to the inner cities with the junkies and prostitutes to save people who are destroying their souls?

Some of those fake Christians insulted a large group of people then whine about the reaction.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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TLDR version: Jackasses go to Muslim event to cause trouble, finds it, cries.

First of all there were no stones. Just bottles and eggs which is what the article detailed and that's why you didn't want to post the article. Because the article states exactly which side instigated the confrontation.

Bunch of holier than thou bible thumpers go to a Muslim event with insulting signs and props looking for trouble and found it. Then proceeds to cry to the police to protect them by escorting them trough the event and the officers want no part of their trouble making hateful plans and tell them to leave cause they're causing a disturbance.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by LOK31
Explain to me one thing to please that’s being bugging me for a while..

Isn’t Muslim religion supposed to be promoting love, peace and unity amongst the people (like every other religion)...

But why is Muslim religion is constantly participating in so many wars going on in the world?
Why does Muslim religion allow and promote hateful actions?? For example, few weeks ago a Muslim person decided to become Christian.... and what did they do??? They COUGHT his head off !!!! (I have the video link if you want but the image is to raw)

Please don’t misunderstand my question, i have NOTHING against Muslims! But these are some things that have been bugging me for a while...


No, Islam has never been a "religion" promoting love, peace, and unity. Muhammad was a pedophile, mass murderer, and false prophet. Islam has always been "a totalitarian political system disguised as a religion."
The Koran is a pile of crap.

In moderate Islamic countries, it is against the law to criticize Muhammad or his Koran -- you will either be fined or imprisoned. In the more extreme Islamic countries, people who criticize Muhammad or his Koran can be put to death.

Islam is the most dangerous totalitarian political system in the world today -- more dangerous than even Communism.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Well you can see the typical liberal bull# in this thread.

Let me guess, if the situation was reversed the Christians would still get thrown under the bus by the ATS Muslim sympathizers.


Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
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Did they physically attack anyone? No


BS and you know it. If I stand in front of your house, in the street, with a legal permit, and I shout hateful things at you. You should kick my ass. You have every right to kick my ass. The law might say otherwise, but you and I are men, and we know better. If you did kick my ass, and my brother and friends show up to defend me, and you tell them what happened, they will say that I deserved it, and they will drag my sorry ass home. There is "legal" and there is "right" and I tend to follow what is right and let the legalities take care of themselves.


Hey, I am all for that. Enough of the political correctness, lets bring out all the dirty laundry out and deal with it.
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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People like you enable the nanny cry baby state. You mindset is I can insult you and provoke you all I want but you can't touch me! No. I and most people live in a world where they know that these bullies deserve a punch in the mouth. Plain and simple. If an unruly child curses at people at a restaurant and doesn't stop nobody in their right mind would object to the parent smacking them for being a rude little snot. And that's what those idiots where being. Rude unruly disrespectful snots.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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I was brought up christian, and have my own beliefs different to those I was brought up with. I don't count myself christian, atheist or any of the other religions.

If I was there, I'd be on the side of the muslims. What an absolutely inflammatory thing to do, show up with a pigs head and signs dennouncing another faith.

If they think for one minute, those actions are going to get them to whatever place they THINK they are going in the afterlife, they're in for one BIG suprise.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Okay, so I go to a christian festival while wearing a t-shirt with Richard Dawkins on it, and I have a sign saying 'There's No God'. Do the Christians have a right to throw stuff at me? Am I a troublemaker simply by voicing my beliefs? I don't think so. There may be heated arguments, and that's fine. But those individuals causing violence are the ones that should be arrested. Violence is against the law; freedom of speech isn't.


Of course there is a shade of gray that eventually crosses the line, but where is the line? I don't know, but I know it when I see it. What you describe would be perfectly acceptable, but if you had a megaphone, shouting that they were all evil trash destined to burn in a fiery pit, and you scared the children and old people and made it impossible for anyone to enjoy themselves, then someone should shut you up.

Obviously I don't know everything, and I'm not always right, but I know where I would draw a line, and where I would take it upon myself to put a stop to something.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by p3ps1c0la
TLDR version: Jackasses go to Muslim event to cause trouble, finds it, cries.

First of all there were no stones. Just bottles and eggs which is what the article detailed and that's why you didn't want to post the article. Because the article states exactly which side instigated the confrontation.

Bunch of holier than thou bible thumpers go to a Muslim event with insulting signs and props looking for trouble and found it. Then proceeds to cry to the police to protect them by escorting them trough the event and the officers want no part of their trouble making hateful plans and tell them to leave cause they're causing a disturbance.


Oh look Uncle Billy, another snake just wiggled out of the weeds.


Really have to give a warm hand and hugs to those brave Christian souls. They are the rest of us. The tip of the spear. We need to rally behind these folks. Christian or not. Protect freedoms.

Now I realize there were lawsuits from last year, makes you understand why it was kids upfront. What are you going to sue them for? their bikes ?


Like I said earlier, complete cowards for pelting old people with cement and urine. My heroes.

Just saying >u




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