American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Watch out, white guilt is full effect. ready for your flames in 3...2...1

Besides, you do realize not all Christians are white and not all Muslims are brown right?

This is a fundamentalist issue not a racial issue. This is Westboro v. Taliban. Except here the Muslims were acting appropriately up to a point and then they retaliated. Now, maybe I could agree with you if this was some political rally and both sides showed up intent on creating problems. Maybe my opinion would be different and I would pray for them both to destroy each other so the rest of us could live more comfortably, but in the OP the Christian group showed up specifically as trouble-makers, so they are in the wrong from the start.

American citizens do have the right to voice their opinions (ANY OPINIONS) without the threat of physical violence you worthless #ing moron.

Originally posted by FuZe7

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Watch out, white guilt is full effect. ready for your flames in 3...2...1

Besides, you do realize not all Christians are white and not all Muslims are brown right?

This is a fundamentalist issue not a racial issue. This is Westboro v. Taliban. Except here the Muslims were acting appropriately up to a point and then they retaliated. Now, maybe I could agree with you if this was some political rally and both sides showed up intent on creating problems. Maybe my opinion would be different and I would pray for them both to destroy each other so the rest of us could live more comfortably, but in the OP the Christian group showed up specifically as trouble-makers, so they are in the wrong from the start.

American citizens do have the right to voice their opinions (ANY OPINIONS) without the threat of physical violence you worthless #ing moron.

Unless the opinions are being expressed with the purpose of inciting violence.

This is not hard to understand.

The use of a bullhorn is illegal, I think that is all the so called "christian" group is guilty of.

This is real life trolling.

And real life moderators handled it.

Originally posted by FuZe7

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Watch out, white guilt is full effect. ready for your flames in 3...2...1

Besides, you do realize not all Christians are white and not all Muslims are brown right?

This is a fundamentalist issue not a racial issue. This is Westboro v. Taliban. Except here the Muslims were acting appropriately up to a point and then they retaliated. Now, maybe I could agree with you if this was some political rally and both sides showed up intent on creating problems. Maybe my opinion would be different and I would pray for them both to destroy each other so the rest of us could live more comfortably, but in the OP the Christian group showed up specifically as trouble-makers, so they are in the wrong from the start.

American citizens do have the right to voice their opinions (ANY OPINIONS) without the threat of physical violence you worthless #ing moron.

If you walk in knowing full well that you're inciting a confrontation, then you best get ready to deal with that confrontation. There's the law and there's what is going to come at your head in realtime. If you provoke it, then deal with it. Besides, these Xtian idiots were full grown men, and the Muslims were kids. Get over it already.

F*cking pussies.

reply to post by FuZe7

American citizens do have the right to voice their opinions (ANY OPINIONS) without the threat of physical violence you worthless #ing moron.

Having the "right" is a legal term, and you are correct. The government will not impose any restriction on them, but the government is also not tasked with providing protection for morons either. So, they have every legal right to do so, but when they get their ass-kicked, it is perfectly appropriate.

By the way, from a legal standpoint this is an easy case...

1) Did those Christian fools have a right to a demonstration (because that's what it is!)?

Depends on whether the area those Muslims live in requires them to file for permission. If it does and they still went ahead, well, that's illegal. If they required a permission and got it, then they had the right to a demonstration. We don't know either way.

By the way, if they didn't have permission but were required to...well...that would be trespassing. Now since they are not in anyone's house, force isn't allowed as a legal response. They could have only called the cops who would have then been forced to take in those Christians and cash in a fine (usually pretty low fine too btw).

The right to free speech doesn't mean you can go anywhere you want and simply start screaming crap!!

2) Did the Muslims have a right to get violent?

Unless they were somehow attacked first by those Christians, the answer is a clear NO! The video doesn't show the whole story, so we don't know either way. If they didn't attack first, violence was clearly illegal.

3) What about the fact that those Christians provoked the Muslims?

That doesn't really mean violence is ok. Personally, I'd call it even because I hate bigots like those Christians...but from a legal standpoint a provokation will only lead to a (maybe significantly) reduced sentence. So instead of a prison sentence for violence they might look at a couple of hours of community service and/or a fine.

My point is: That video was made by a CLEARLY racist and bigotted organization, so it's heavily biased. The clip doesn't show everything, so figuring out the legal situation based on the video isn't really possible.

reply to post by getreadyalready



They may have said some inflammatory remarks, but did they hit anybody? Were they being physical? Nope. Proves how violent the islamic religion really is.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

If a Christian group was crashing a Muslim festival, they obviously had some point of contention and expected backlash. They also seemed to expect the police to protect them. Why?

Natural consequences, if I throw trash in your yard, you have every right to kick it back in mine, and if it escalates and you kick my ass..... fine. That is what happens to people when they pick fights, eventually they get their ass kicked.

Good for the Muslims.

In a public place? Does this mean because I'm white I can't go to a Spanish festival? Since I'm french am I banned from a German Oktoberfest? Should I stay away from Italian and Chinese restaurants? Come on!

reply to post by getreadyalready

but the government is also not tasked with providing protection for morons either.

Yes it does. Show me where in the law it says that being a moron is enough to make you not protected against violence.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by FuZe7

 

American citizens do have the right to voice their opinions (ANY OPINIONS) without the threat of physical violence you worthless #ing moron.

Having the "right" is a legal term, and you are correct. The government will not impose any restriction on them, but the government is also not tasked with providing protection for morons either. So, they have every legal right to do so, but when they get their ass-kicked, it is perfectly appropriate.

Would it then be appropriate that instead of getting their ass kicked they kicked ass or took a life?

Originally posted by iWantToBeelieve
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

They may have said some inflammatory remarks, but did they hit anybody? Were they being physical? Nope. Proves how violent the islamic religion really is.

You can't know that because the video doesn't show everything

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by ItsSocietysFault

 

don't suppose you'd care to link an applicable USSC case rather just the circular nonsense being contributed so far ?? your insistance minus valid authority encourage many to question your understanding of what is and is not protected or when for that matter.

Yeah I did actually somebody posted it and I quoted it and said thanks. I wont decide either way because I dont have that authority or information about who is right and wrong. Yeah I think we are all questioning what is and is not protected that is why we have the court system, there are a lot of grey areas in law and you get used to it after awhile and stop pretending there is a clear and determinable answer for all.

in a public venue (as this was), that speech better be pretty darn specific to garner the response currently described/displayed to the public.doesn't it bother you in the slightest that these Americans do have the right to defend themselves against such children who are attacking them? (with lethal force even)

I agree. I also know that the video is formatted to make me have those feelings.
Well considering those children are Americans as well, It gets so confusing which is why I withhold the type of judgement you are trying to paint me into.

doesn't it concern you that the unresponsive parents are purposely encouraging their children to engage in activities that could easily get them killed over nonsense ??

Yeah it also concerns me that Christians would behave so unChristian like. I realize my neutrality makes it very hard to pick an arguement with me but Im a social scientist and its the way I approach issues. And which is why I dont get much out of commenting here, and am an observor.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Well it surely does report on them being attacked, yet not attacking. So with simple deductive reasoning, you can assume they were not physically attacking anybody, seeing as the police were protecting them.

Originally posted by iWantToBeelieve
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Well it surely does report on them being attacked, yet not attacking. So with simple deductive reasoning, you can assume they were not physically attacking anybody, seeing as the police were protecting them.

Yes...and it "reports" that in such a way because the authors of the video are a racist organization full off bigots. The video is clearly biased, and making up your opinion on a heavily biased video like that is nuts

Objective evidence matters! And the objective evidence says we don't know

reply to post by NorEaster

It may be legal to be a flaming *sshole, but don't crybaby when a bunch a kids start taking it to you over it. That's pathetic

actually, what WILL BE Pathetic ... is all crying and condolences offered for the dead kids who went too far with their unlawful assault.

when that happens, whose fault will it be then ??
those who initiated the assault or those who defended themselves against it ??

reply to post by DoubleDNH

For once, I agree completely with the Muslims in this video. If someone walked into a "Christian" festival with signs saying God is evil... God Raped Jesus.... Jesus is a child molesting pervert.... etc.... I am sure the sh*t would hit the fan there too.. there is freedom of speech and then there are just idiots who spew hate...

It is difficult sometimes to stomach the awful things people say about religion, but the act is really against God, not people. When people come to see that, and realize they will reap what they sow through karma and not necessarily by human revenge, they will monitor their own actions.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Wow, right-wing Christian fundamentalists attack and insult a peaceful event and then they DEMAND protection when they get a response?

You are being religiously biased which is illogical.

Logic dictates that we look at the LAW and determine if people's actions are consistent.

Who gives a damn what religion they are!!!??

Is it illegal to protest or counter-protest? No?
Is it illegal to attack people physically in public? Yes?

You are in jeopardy of being associated with "bias for religion, anti-free speech, pro-violence to get your way".

No, my logic tells me that if you make people angry with hate speech because you feel you need to attack another religious group, you should expect to get a response.

I'm not suggesting that it's the right response, and I stated this in my post (if you'd read it properly you would see that).

I'm talking from a common sense perspective here. A group of radical Christians felt the need to attack another religious event that wasn't doing them any harm at all - not unlike Fred Phelps screaming about "fag soldiers" at their military funerals - and then they are shocked that they get such a response?!

If it were Muslim people attacking a Christian event there would be national outrage, and the response to that probably wouldn't have been any more polite either.

We cannot pretend this is not about religion. It is. A Christian group felt the need to insult and attack another religious group. It's right that their freedom allows them to protest. I'm not questioning that at all. I am questioning their sudden surprise at the response, and I am questioning their motives.

I don't think it's very Christian to be attacking other religious groups in the way that they did. But I don't think it's right that the response was violent either.

Originally posted by neformore
If you go into a bear pit with the intention of provoking a bear, chances are you'll provoke a bear.

Stupid is as stupid does.

All this crap about constitutional rights doesn't cover up deliberate provocative stupidity does it?

Yeah it does.

Unless of course you think the Constitution doesn't apply anymore? But that would make you wrong.

Very sad to see you would rather give up the Constitution just to put a couple of violent thugs on a pedestal and proclaim they are not criminals.

You need to reevaluate your opinions please.

reply to post by TrueAmerican

They get stoned, egged, bottled, and cursed at by American Muslims.

You overstate your case; all I see are a bunch of over weight middle aged 'Christians' turn up in a community festival of some kind and antagonise a bunch of kids.

They are complaining about things being thrown at them then the video cuts to a cop who does not take them seriously. Then they cut to the crowd which is made up of 12 year old boys and mouthy teenage girls.

Here is a video by Falun Gong doing exactly the same thing in China Town and pissing of an eighty year old man who punches one of them. The geriatric punch was videoed and presented on YT by the Falun Gong cultist as proof of their persecution.