American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI

All I can say RELIGION, I don't want any part of it.

The "Christians" were there to antagonize the Muslims, but it doesn't justify the Muslims to use violence by throwing rocks and shouting vulgarity and insults. Two wrongs don't make a right. Both groups were hypocritical and this is supposed to be God like behavior?

reply to post by TrueAmerican

Having viewed the video tape, and watched it very carefully, the following can be stated:

It has been stated that Tolerance is a 2 way street, and neither of the groups involved were willing to show such. It was a disgusting example of what happens when 2 ideologies clash and people set so far in their belief that they do not stop to think that just cause they can do something, it should not be done.

This festival is a money maker for the city of Deerborn, it brings in funds to the city, thus they allow for it. Who is wrong, all sides are wrong, the Muslims for not showing tolerance and actually throwing the stuff at those who chose to demonstrate, the Christians for actually showing up with signs that the Muslims find offensive, and the Police for failing to stand up to both sides and not lifting a hand to try to stop violence on both sides. While the Christians showed restraint in not retaliating, they were ultimately causing a disturbance there in that festival. It shows both sides in a poor light. It set a dangerous precedence on both sides and will only escalate on both sides. The question is when will it cease to be rocks and trash and turn to be weapons? And what will happen if someone gets killed? The debate will rage for years with each side blaming the other for the tragedy that will occur.

When will it end and ultimately how will it affect the rest of the country?

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
As a Christian all I can say is I don't practice the same religion as these people.
Provoking others is not the way..... so they got run out of the festival by a mob of 10 year olds.
How humiliating......

They asked for it - they got it, then they have the chutzpah to complain.
"We're being persecuted!"
Uh huh..

Judging by your posts I would have thought you'd be a fan of the U.S Constitution, the right to peacefully protest, assemble, etc.

If you don't see anything wrong with this I'm not sure what to say.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Thats not the ATS spirit! Burn the Christians kill the whites, anything to purge the guilt from our souls. It's funny to see how many of the "awakened" are programmed to self hate.

reply to post by getreadyalready
[i cannot watch the video so i'm using my imagination minus any real description of the content]

you know i appreciate your opinion but how is this any different than the WBB (westboro) bunch at a funeral ??

if the funeral attendees began assaulting the WBB members, do you really think the PD would escort the "invaders" out ??
if you do, then why haven't they done such to date ??

ok, i'll give that a funeral isn't a festival, but how is it any less important or worthy of protection or prosecution as either may apply ??

Muhammad himself responded violently to criticism of Islam, if the first biography written by a Muslim, Ibn Ishaq, in 768 AD is to be believed, so it isn't so surprising that this crowd of Muslims react with such aggression.

• Muhammad authorised the murder of a number of poets (male & female) who had mocked him. One poet was a mother sleeping with her young children. The Muslim assassin had to move the child aside before thrusting his dagger into her chest. Another victim was a male poet who was, according to Muslim sources, over 100 years old. Mohammed then absolved the Islamic murderers of any wrong doing.

• He was also an accomplished caravan raider who had the propensity to execute prisoners who had been political opponents in the past. One such man had fallen foul of Muhammad when Muhammad was in his early days due to being a better story teller than Muhammad,. "Who will look after my young daughter?" cried the man, moments before he was executed. Muhammad then cursed him.

The Life of Muhammad (768 AD) by Ibn Ishaq

Muhammad allowed his followers to assassinate people who criticised him and then absolved the killers of any wrong doing. He also personally ordered the execution of people who had criticised him in the past.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Wow, I did not see that coming. /sarcasm

Like getreadyalready said, it's very possible that those Christians who crashed that festival were looking for trouble.

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
I was there as an EMT and treated no injuries.

Is that right? Well isn't it interesting you missed the Christian guy with the bloody forehead.

So much for watching the whole video, huh.

reply to post by ollncasino


You mean to tell you me actually believe those old books?

You know, i hear the church of Paul Bunyan is taking new members, too.

Spend more time studying what will make you better, not what makes Islam worse. You seem to already know enough about the latter topic.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


So you believe a video over someone who was actually there?

How lame is that?

Hi People,


Sorry to be a butt-in-ski here.

I do appreciate these topics can become quite inflamatory for us...but please lets keep the *flames* towards one another out of it.

By all means discuss with passion, but never with poison.



Thank you.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

So you believe a video over someone who was actually there?

How lame is that?

Funny how ATS is so selective about that. What happened to "pics/video or it didn't happen"?

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
As a Christian all I can say is I don't practice the same religion as these people.
Provoking others is not the way..... so they got run out of the festival by a mob of 10 year olds.
How humiliating......

They asked for it - they got it, then they have the chutzpah to complain.
"We're being persecuted!"
Uh huh..

Judging by your posts I would have thought you'd be a fan of the U.S Constitution, the right to peacefully protest, assemble, etc.

If you don't see anything wrong with this I'm not sure what to say.

What about "freedom of religion"? Does it condone the right to protest against a freedom? That seems pretty backwards and contradictory if it does.

Originally posted by MeesterB
just a bunch of trash "muslim" children. The police are too scared to stand up and provide safety because the silly, stupid children would whip into a mob and political correctness dictates the conduct. Simply appalling.

Sure the Christian group shouldn't have been there with inflammatory shirts and signs, but I see some bad little muslims that should be beaten by their worthless parents.

What was inflammatory about the shirts and signs? After all, the super smart 18-year-old Iraqi kid had it right - we have freedom of religion here.

Oh wait, I guess it's freedom of religion as long as it's MY religion. Got it.

Imagine for a minute of that was a dozen muslims with their signs in the middle of a Christian festival. Do you think the same thing would have happened? I doubt it.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

CHRISTIANS ?

Yeah right. More like fundamentalists carrying signs that were hostile to Arabs and then shooting it on video to say "Aww look at us. They attacked us because we're Christian"

NO ONE IS BUYING THAT STORY ! THIS AINT 1934

They attacked them because they were disrupting their festival with hate filled rhetoric and xenophobic material on the signs they were carrying.

Yes I agree with this. Those kids throwing the bottles and eggs, those hooligans, need a lesson in manners, but at the same time, I highly doubt the christian group is all innocent in this. If you're going to walk around with big christian signs in the middle of a muslim ceremony saying all sorts of things, you are looking for a response in my opinion. In anycase, they both have the right to say what they want, and likewise that guy says he has those attacks on video. I'd like to know the events leading up to that incident.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

You mean to tell you me actually believe those old books?

Are you suggesting that Muslims don't believe their own religious books?

Bear in mind that Muslims, according to Islamic doctrine, must take the Koran literally. Christians don't have to do this. Muslims do.

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

If Muhammad instructed Muslims, according to the Koran, to fight those who refuse to submit to Islam until they pay jizyah tax, in what sense is Islam a religion of peace?

Koran 9:5
And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists (worshipers of more than one god) wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Koran

If Muhammad told his followers to fight non-Muslims until they submit to Islam, in what sense are the aggressive crowd not following the teachings of Islam?

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

[i cannot watch the video so i'm using my imagination minus any real description of the content]

you know i appreciate your opinion but how is this any different than the WBB (westboro) bunch at a funeral ??

if the funeral attendees began assaulting the WBB members, do you really think the PD would escort the "invaders" out ??
if you do, then why haven't they done such to date ??

ok, i'll give that a funeral isn't a festival, but how is it any less important or worthy of protection or prosecution as either may apply ??

What kind of makes it different and when I say this it doesn't mean I like it or think it should be so; is that Westboro is a family of lawyers all too ready to sue the pants off the cops, city and those assaulting them and have a history of doing so. So generally when they show up in town law enforcement knows just exactly what to avoid.