American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI

reply to post by ollncasino


Some people are nice, some are not. Do not for one second think that US agencies (ie, CIA) do not operate within every single allies borders. Likewise, those ally countries will have their own missions going on in the USA.

The point of me saying that? If we can spy and generally f*** with all of our allies, then imagine what we get up to in other countries that are not allies. Therefore posting a list of nations where Muslim terror acts have been committed is neither particularly helpful nor is it particularly accurate (in terms of balance) unless we also do a list of nations around the world the West messes with.

This is neither a defence or an attack on any group / religion / nation, more pointing out every group / nation / religion on the planet has both good and bad people. Greed corrupts everywhere.

Originally posted by getreadyalready


Personally, I have never encountered a violent Muslim.

What are you suggesting? Take a trip to the middle east and put your money where your mouth is.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

You know I respect you, but violence is never the answer.

You know the feeling is mutual, but I disagree. Sometimes that is the only thing that people respond to or remember. I've met some of my best friends in life through violence. Sometimes a bully or a loud mouth just needs to meet a better man before they realize the error of their ways. Talking doesn't always do the trick, but a bloody lip or nose usually does.

This whole scenario brings to mind part of a song that I think applies:

"Jesus friend of sinners the one who's writing in the sand
Make the righteous turn away and the stones fall from their hands
Help us to remember we are all the least of thieves
Let the memory of Your mercy bring your people to their knees

No one knows what we're for only against when we judge the wounded
What if we put down our signs crossed over the lines and loved like You did

Oh Jesus friend of sinners
Open our eyes to world at the end of our pointing fingers
Let our hearts be led by mercy
Help us reach with open hearts and open doors
Oh Jesus friend of sinners break our hearts for what breaks yours."

If all sides practiced these things maybe we could get along and things would not escalate.
Just a thought.

Islam versus Christianity - a case of an irresistible farce colliding with an unstoppable abstract!

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by getreadyalready


Personally, I have never encountered a violent Muslim.

What are you suggesting? Take a trip to the middle east and put your money where your mouth is.

I have never met a peaceful Muslim. Watch the video, you'll see 1000 violent Muslims.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Maybe I am weak. If someone screams in my face that I am trash, and I'm going to burn in hell, and I have no right to be living in the same city as them, I'm probably going to knock their ass out. If that makes me weak, so be it, I'm not perfect, never claimed to be.

So you think it's fair that whatever your would do, makes it right to apply it to what everyone else should do? What if instead of knocking people out who don't agree with you, you prefer to shoot them? That makes it okay for people to shoot people who exercise their first amendment right?
Get that ron paul banner out of your signature, it's very clear you don't support liberty or the constitution.

reply to post by skepticconwatcher

They attacked them because they were disrupting their festival with hate filled rhetoric and xenophobic material on the signs they were carrying.

Be that as it may, it still does not give the targeted group (or the Christians) the right to commit assault. Once that happened, laws were broken. Fight words with words.

We have freedom of speech in this country, last I checked...even if it is ignorant and hate-filled speech by fundies. We do not have carte blanche to commit assault.

I have never met a peaceful Muslim. Watch the video, you'll see 1000 violent Muslims.

Then you haven't met many muslims. I've actually lived in the Middle East (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia to be precise). I'm a born and bred American...but I tell you right now, the majority of the folks I met when I was there were some of the most gracious and polite (and peaceful) people I've ever met. The nutters get all of the press.

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by getreadyalready


Personally, I have never encountered a violent Muslim.

What are you suggesting? Take a trip to the middle east and put your money where your mouth is.

This didn't happen in the Middle East. Have you ever been attacked by a Muslim in the US?

For the record, I did beat up a Muslim once. While I was in the middle of a divorce my ex was sleeping with this slimy law student. I thought about killing him, but then I met a nice girl and I started getting over my rage. Then this idiot sees me on a date with the new girl, doesn't realize I know that he was sleeping with my wife, and starts trying to talk to me. I felt it would be disrespectful to my date if I got into the whole discussion that needed to happen, so I bit my tongue, told him to leave me alone and walked on. He kept trying to talk to me, and introduce himself, and he was being quite annoying, but when he grabbed my shoulder to try to stop me from walking away, I pretty much snapped. Luckily my brother grabbed him before I did, because that probably saved his life, my brother picked him up, carried him into a bathroom, and proceeded to bounce him off every stationary object in the bathroom while lecturing him about manners and common sense. The police showed up fairly quickly, all was settled, he thought about pressing charges for assualt, but it became pretty clear that would be a terrible idea if he planned to finish school in this town, and we all went home happy.

Still, even with that extremely negative experience, he wasn't the violent one, he was just a naive idiot. It had nothing to do with his brown skin or Muslim religion, it was just about his personal actions and the fact that he couldn't leave well enough alone when given several opportunities to walk away.

I have to admit, he was on the no-fly list for awhile though. I already admitted I am sometimes weak, and I used his foreign-national status and his religion to have a little fun.

Originally posted by SuperFrog

I wonder if you can point all those countries and states (why in the world are states mixed with countries?) on map, let alone know what in any of them is going on.

Just for example, do you have any idea what happened in Chechnya, Bosnia or Kosovo?

Easily done.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Enjoy

reply to post by jjkenobi


If this is true, then there must not be many Muslims in your area. There are peaceful Muslims as there are peaceful Buddhists. People see what they want to see, methinks.

Ok I am from Dearborn. Grew up there most of my 33 years. Here is my take on this.

The reason the police turned thier backs is simply this. They do not want trouble makers coming to town. Dearborn is a peaceful place. Until some asshole like that preacher or these guys show up. The Arab festival is normally a peaceful place. They clearly should have expected resistance when they came.

One time I was in court and they must have been allocating positions of what's where and what not on a writing board. Well on that board were free speech zones for the Arab festival. These people clearly were not in those zones. Therefore they were not protected.

I know Muslims, I am a quarter Lebanese myself. They are peaceful, until you come and stir up the pot.

Btw Dearborn has the highest Arab population next to the middle east.

reply to post by bl4ke360


This is the problem with you leftists. You think all violence is equal, whereas someone with a little backbone realizes there are extreme differences between bloodying someone's lip and shooting them dead. I've never shot a friend, but I've bloodied plenty of their lips.

See how that feels? Maybe you should get to know a little more about libertarian views before you decide what is appropriate and what is not. Personal responsibility means doing what is right and accepting the consequences. The whole sticks and stones thing is wrong. Words are dangerous, and they do have effects. People can be ruined by words. People have lost families and careers over words. If someone is saying a bunch of words that are lies, or insulting, or disrespectful, then I believe we have every right to shut them up.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

You know I respect you, but violence is never the answer.

You know the feeling is mutual, but I disagree. Sometimes that is the only thing that people respond to or remember. I've met some of my best friends in life through violence. Sometimes a bully or a loud mouth just needs to meet a better man before they realize the error of their ways. Talking doesn't always do the trick, but a bloody lip or nose usually does.

But these were children,

I would have never allowed my children to be involved in such a situation if I was there.

A rational few adults could have defused the situation, and that would have made a difference, maybe, even the Christians could have seen this sort of behavior in a positive light,

I don't know, somebody has to be the voice of reason.

reply to post by ollncasino

Perhaps a better question would be what do we do to integrate young British Muslim males to prevent 4,000 of them from wanting to join the Taliban?

Indeed that is something that should be looked into. And it certainly will not help if we ostracise and isolate.

Of course, the figures from the MI5 website are worrying (if to be believed)... but i guarantee you that you would find similar data from Northern Ireland in the 70's and 80's.

Ask yourself this... before 911 how many stories were there in the media about Muslim terrorists?

Very few compared to today!

Why is it that for years Muslims lived in this country with very few incidents and then, suddenly, they’re all radicals??

I believe this is for three reasons.... One, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan as angered many young Muslims and, unfortunately, some feel the need to take more drastic action than just protest.
Two, the media love these stories because it gives us all a new bogey man to shake our fists at so they report it more and exaggerate wherever they can to keep our interest peaked.
Three, and this is where the conspiracy comes in, I believe that there are darker forces at work who want to keep us (the people) divided while the carry out their plans... In fact I believe in some other conspiracy theories regarding this issues but for the sake of keeping this thread on track and not derailing it I will save them for another time.

There also seems to be this twisting of logic that goes on. We seem to think that its ok to go around killing people as long as we have a flag and a uniform. Somehow this is seen as just and something we are to be proud of. Damn it,we even have respect for our enemies when they wear a uniform and come from similar cultures. Many British people have a respect for the German military during WW2. You here it all the time.... "They had great weaponry, the Jerrys, and would probably have won if the hadn’t gone into Russia" That is typical of an English pub debate! Said with almost an air of pride.

But what do you do if you want to fight against something but have no uniform or military. What if what you want to fight for has no official backing and what you are fighting against has a far more superior military strength?

During WW2 was the French resistance terrorists because they didn’t have a uniform? Now you may argue that they never carried out suicide missions but then what about the Japanese Kamikaze and banzai?? I don’t think I’ve ever heard them referred to as terrorists!

What’s the difference between blowing up a city street, by dropping a bomb from 30,000ft, or detonating it by hand? Civilians still die... but we see one as somehow chivalrous and the other as a crime?

I cant help but see it as hypocritical when I see people getting angry and upset about “our boys” getting hit with IED’s while celebrating when they hear about a convey of “their boys” being hit by a guided missile. But maybe that because I don’t see a them and us! I just see people dying for the greed of the few.

Don’t get me wrong... i am certainly not trying to offer any words of support or endorsement for Al Qaeda or their tactics. Quite the opposite. Al Qaeda and other similar Muslim groups carry out some disgusting acts and are often backwards in their philosophies and ethics. But, I am against the murder of civilians regardless of uniform, equipment or some perceived moral high ground that loosely covers a desire to steal someone’s resources and land and/or spreading of ideology. I am against killing... And whether its Al Qaeda or the Army’s of the west, they are all guilty.

Just something to think about...

Peace

MUSLIMS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN ANY WESTERN NATION!

reply to post by Gazrok


Too true. The nutters get the press because there is no story in "nice, friendly people had a very pleasant day".

Shame though really. Just for a global experiment, it would be nice to see what happened if we had a couple of months of just stories like that........makes me wonder if people would be just that bit nicer at the end of those couple of months......

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I agree, the children should not have had to bear the brunt of this or decide between violence and words. They were very young. All the more reason the Christian group should be ashamed of themselves and deserves a good whipping in my opinion.

Fundamental Christian/Judaic/Islamic Religions are all despicable. They are all brainwashed fanatical lunatics! That Christian group went in there with an agenda to stir the hornets nest. That being said; the Islamic people getting violent are no better. One of the worst things invented on this planet created by man is Religion.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by bl4ke360

 

This is the problem with you leftists.

I'm not a leftist, I'm a conservative libertarian. A real one. If I was a leftist I would be setting aside the constitution to protect minority groups in the name of "tolerance" even though they don't tolerate you or me.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by bl4ke360

 

If someone is saying a bunch of words that are lies, or insulting, or disrespectful, then I believe we have every right to shut them up.

Except not with physical violence, as you are advocating.