American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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reply to post by PvtHudson
 


GRA a Leftist? LOL
It's interesting that anyone who doesn't cry for the Christian antagonists presented in the OP are automatically Leftists or apologists or extremist Islamic sympathizers.

I'm a Leftist, so I'll answer. Leftists don't necessarily find kinship with Islam, we just don't have a problem with Islam, I guess we find kinship with humans and that somehow always makes us wrong/deluded/anti-christian in the eyes of some Righties.




posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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You need to remember that the Muslim faith is far younger than the Christian and Jewish faith. Christians were pretty bloody for a long time. So were Jews. Each faith seemed to moderate and level out a little. Islam hasn't yet. Perhaps it will, perhaps not. I know many muslims and not a single one has ever behaved in any way that would be worrisome. They generally have had similar viewpoints to my own, and have expressed the same kind of disgust at their redneck counterparts that most Christians reserve for Fred Phelps.

There are extremists who have set off bombs in all faiths. I can dig up links if you want, but you can simple google up "buddhist terrorists" and "jewish terrorists". They exist. Not nearly as frequent, to be sure.

The problem with the mindset of "muslim is a violent religion" is that we have proof that not every muslim is a violent person. It isn't to say that there aren't violent Muslims. Only that not all muslims are violent. So then you end up going from thread to thread trying to spread the word about an evil religion, using blanket statements that are untrue. You will not convince anyone who isn't already biased in such a way. Mostly you are just going to put more distance between Christians and Muslims, and create more violence.

And I wouldn't call Muslims "more violent" in any way. We, as westerners, have killed far, far, far more people than muslims. We are equally as violent, we just use our governments as our proxies so we don't "get our hands dirty".



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Resurected
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You ever hear of someone getting drunk and talking a bit too much in a bar? Freespeach is one thing, its another thing to do what is socially acceptable. Would you walk up to someone and insult them without expecting reprocussions? It is free speach granted, but it isnt going to fly in the real world.
Free speech comes with responsibility, and in some cases, consequences.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Next time soldiers are spat on or girls in bikinis harassed I want to see you cheering that a Muslim gets glassed.



Soldiers are occupyers in a foreign land, and not everyone wants them there. I disagree with that analogy, but if a Muslim in the US harasses a girl in a bikini, or spits on a soldier here in the US, or disrespects anyone for any reason, then by all means give them their just desserts.

To me, this isn't even about religion, it is about respect and manners. People just need to leave everyone else the hell alone, and if they can't mind their own business, then I applaud anyone that stands up and shuts them up.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:37 AM
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Where did the myth come about claiming the Christians started the Crusades ? Maybe you should go do some homework and find out that it was actually caused by the Turks invading Jerusalem and killing/imprisoning 3000 Christians taking pilgrimage. Then proceeded to destroy all of the churches in and around Jerusalem.
Anyways just had to get that off my chest.
I however completely disagree with what these "Christians" are doing here, I myself am a Christian and am disgusted when I see people do things like this. Jesus never walked through the streets screaming at people with bullhorns saying "your Arab you're going to hell" because that doesn't work. When are Christians going to realize holding a sign telling someone there going to hell or just completely showing a lack of respect for a culture is not a way about showing the love of Christ and converting people. How about instead of using sticks with hateful signs you use sticks to pick up garbage throughout the festival to show you care about the people, that's the problem with these types of Christians they care more about saving the souls and then moving one rather than saving the whole person.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
reply to post by getreadyalready
 


Did they physically attack anyone? No


BS and you know it. If I stand in front of your house, in the street, with a legal permit, and I shout hateful things at you. You should kick my ass. You have every right to kick my ass. The law might say otherwise, but you and I are men, and we know better.


If you can't handle people talking negatively about you then I doubt you're the man you say you are in the first place. The constitution protects free speech, it doesn't protect physical violence when not used for defensive purposes.
It's pretty appalling you think negatively worded signs are worse than pieces of concrete and glass bottles being thrown at people. I find it hard to believe you're a ron paul supporter, because I'm currently watching you throw out the constitution to suit your agenda just like the people you're apparently "against".



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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There is history and then there is revisionist history, you should learn to study more in depth , citing Wikipedia is not impressive at all .



TextYou should read history books more if you like to follow discussion....


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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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What a beautiful post Khurzon, and to think you only got ONE star.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

peace out.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by Azadok2day

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


If a Christian group was crashing a Muslim festival, they obviously had some point of contention and expected backlash. They also seemed to expect the police to protect them. Why?

Natural consequences, if I throw trash in your yard, you have every right to kick it back in mine, and if it escalates and you kick my ass..... fine. That is what happens to people when they pick fights, eventually they get their ass kicked.

Good for the Muslims.


The Muslims are a bunch of racist animals and this is America , quite frankly I am usually peaceful but I think the Christians should rise up , then do as you suggested throw the trash ( Muslims ) out of our country . Let them go back and suck sand in the god forsaken lands YHWH gave them for their hateful blasphemous religion .


While I disagree with your over-generalization, I'll still say... fine. If the Muslims crash a festival, or harass some woman, or cause some kind of chaos then by all means throw them out. I'll help you. But in the OP, they were not doing anything except defending themselves. When they become the aggressors and bullies, I'll be right there to condemn their actions and hope they get whatever is coming to them at the time.

Personally, I have never encountered a violent Muslim. I've known some very arrogant Muslims that I didn't like all that much (and they were female), and I've known some little pansy, cry-baby Muslims that weren't a threat to anyone, but I've never encountered a violent one. In fact, I've never even encountered an aggressive group of them, quite the opposite. My brother went to see the new Dictator comedy in a little Midwestern town just last week, and he thought it would be fun to invite his to Saudi Arabian friends and dress in traditional Muslim garb since it went along with the movie. They went to the movie, and they were given a wide berth everywhere they went! The folks there were scared to death of them, the movie theatre manager had someone follow and keep an eye on them, and they actually new one of the employees at the theatre and after talking to him for a few minutes the manager pulled him in the back to question him about their intentions! These are college professors that speak perfect English, and the only thing they did oddly was wear robes and head dresses. My brother was born and raised in that very town, he is as white as you can get! I just don't believe all the "Muslims are violent" hype. Sorry.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Ok, I don't even know what to think of this one. Looks like a bunch of Christians walk into a predominately Muslim festival, if I am understanding this right, and well...watch for yourself what happens.



They get stoned, egged, bottled, and cursed at by American Muslims. The police, outnumbered by a lot, are put in the position of having to escort the Christian group out. Even though they aren't the ones throwing the stuff!

So what is right here? Who is right here? The video guy makes some excellent points like "They can't give us two officers to protect us, but they sure can get 14 to lead us out!"

But I figured this one might provide an interesting conversation piece for the political madness forum- cause this is madness, if nothing else. Both sides have a right, but the police must make decisions based on manpower... Bizarre.

:shk:


For once, I agree completely with the Muslims in this video. If someone walked into a "Christian" festival with signs saying God is evil... God Raped Jesus.... Jesus is a child molesting pervert.... etc.... I am sure the sh*t would hit the fan there too.. there is freedom of speech and then there are just idiots who spew hate... they have the right to spew their hate but they also have the right to be responded to.

People like this are not Christian... they are extremists who do not follow the loving principles of Christianity... they are the same ones who cherry pick pieces of the bible and post them on signs at anti-homosexual rallies.

Stone away... I hope one of the stones hits them and knocks some sense into them.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
So then you end up going from thread to thread trying to spread the word about an evil religion, using blanket statements that are untrue.

You will not convince anyone who isn't already biased in such a way.


What puzzles me is, if Islam is the religion of peace, why does it have so many terrorists?


For instance, since 9/11 Jihadi Muslims have carried out terrorist attacks in

India
Sudan
Algeria
New York
Pakistan
Israel
Russia
Chechnya
Philippines
Indonesia
Nigeria
England
Thailand
Spain
Egypt
Bangladesh
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
Morocco
Yemen
Arkansas
France
Uzbekistan
Gaza
Tunisia
Kosovo
Bosnia
Mauritania
Kenya
Eritrea
Syria
Somalia
California
Kuwait
Virginia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Jordan
United Arab Emirates
Louisiana
Texas
Tanzania
Illinois
Australia
Pennsylvania
Belgium
Denmark
East Timor
Qatar
Maryland
Tajikistan
Netherlands
Afghanistan
Chad
Canada
China
Nepal
Maldives
Argentina
Mali
Angola
Ukraine
Uganda
North Carolina
Germany
Arizona
Lebanon
Iran
Kazakhstan
Sweden
Azerbaijan
Iraq
Scotland
Macedonia

Link


Now, I know it is wrong to tar all Muslims with the same brush, but I can see a pattern here.




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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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Or its a photo of them Celebrating their team score a goal at the world cup?

The guy in front with his fist out screaming GOAL.

Anyway, if these men are angry then its these men that are angry not Muslims getting angry, I can count the number of people in this photo on my hands. This isn't 1.5 Billion people getting angry.

Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist, etc,,, these are secondary labels we apply to ourselves and others which have no real meaning other than what a said person believes in .



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Detroit's Muslim community joins Jewish groups to help with Mitzvah Day

Thank you for posting that today, Xcathdra.

Quite a few years ago the mosque in our area burned down, the Jewish and Christian community came together and helped with donations and rebuilding,

I guess that is why I get so emotional when I see the anti Christian and anti Jewish remarks on the web, because most from all sides are good people.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


If a Christian group was crashing a Muslim festival, they obviously had some point of contention and expected backlash. They also seemed to expect the police to protect them. Why?

Natural consequences, if I throw trash in your yard, you have every right to kick it back in mine, and if it escalates and you kick my ass..... fine. That is what happens to people when they pick fights, eventually they get their ass kicked.

Good for the Muslims.


Really? You're applauding violence used against peaceful protest? Oh yeah, I'm sure you would feel the same way if Christians started throwing rocks at gay activists or OWS protesters.

Why do leftists feel such a kinship with Islam?


Wow. Have you never seen any of my posts ever? Or my siggy? I'm a pretty long way from a leftist, although I these days Libertarian views are considered leftist when really they should be extreme right. Anyway, yes, I appplaud violence against bullies and instigators. There is nothing "peaceful" about crashing an event where you are uninvited, holding hateful signs, shouting at people, and causing a ruckus. If you were having a party at your house, and me and my buddies showed up intent on wrecking the good time, harassing your guests, shouting at you, and insulting you in every way possible, I hope you would have the cahones to run us off. You sure are not much of a man if you would let us get away with acting that way, and I fear for the future of my country if people are afraid to stand up and do what is right for the situation despite who the media tells us. I dont' care how racist or bigoted I am, I was raised to stand up to bullies and defend the victims of aggression. Even if I hated all Muslims, I would still defend some youths trying to have a good time while a bunch of bullies harass them. I would never stand by and allow a group of bullies to destroy a celebration where people are minding their own business and getting attacked for it. I would hope with a name like "PvtHudson" you would have that same honor in your own psyche. Honorable men don't stand idly by and watch bullies harass someone, and we don't pick a side based on race or religion, we look at the situation and figure out who the bad guys are.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Azadok2day

Originally posted by boymonkey74
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You say it is a hateful religion but spout hateful drivel against it? hypocrite.....


I have no qualms about it , they are deluded by Satan and given the chance they will kill every man woman and child that does not convert to Islam . They have been slaughtering Christians like they are going out of style all over Afrika and the middle east and it will get worse since the Muslim Brotherhood is taking over everywhere.

Make no mistake it is a war of good against evil and it will come to America , then these little pansies in the video will be throwing home made gas bombs and the likes at all non Muslims . I have read the Koran and the bible , I know the end game and what's what and Islam is just a tool of evil aka Satan.


You're a hypocrite and a liar! "I have no qualms about it" followed by "they are child killers". That's a qualm, assuming I understand the word properly. Unless you have no qualms about child murder, which is probably the case so long as they're not Christian children. Right?

You're both tools of satan you delusional maniac! And you crazy goons are going to be the death of us all. You're all going to bring a sh#train of mushroom clouds on every one of us, the good and bad, the old and young, the rich and poor and so on, and for no good reason (if there was ever a good reason for a sh#train of nukes). If you can't see that, then I sure ain't gonna say anything that will change your mind. But that's never stopped me from trying.

My only legitimate question I have for you is why does God demand blood so fervently? Is there a shortage of suffering and pain on earth that I'm unaware of?

The only reason Muslims attack Christians is because you keep telling them that they and their children are going to hell to burn for eternity for choosing the wrong book, and vice versa. Not to mention the bombing and the shooting at each other, that doesn't help the situation any. Why can't you both just keep to yourselves and believe your silly nonsense in quiet and, more importantly, peace? Is it so difficult to live and let live? Is that so wrong, holy man? "Sure, we can live in peace, so long as we're all Christian."


Oh boy, here I go getting ugly and worked up and wasting my time again. This is a fruitless debate for you're clearly in no mindset to listen to me, or any other rational-minded person for that matter, and most probably never will be. And neither are most Muslims for that matter, which is fine. Maybe that's my fault for coming across so aggressive, maybe I should talk in euphemisms and pretty words like your preachers. In any case, unlike your lot, I'm not a theological fascist. I give up. Believe what you want because, unfortunately for me, it is your right as a "free" human being.

But Jesus, where will it end?

Wait... don't answer that question. I don't wanna know the answer.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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You know I respect you, but violence is never the answer.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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I wonder if you can point all those countries and states (why in the world are states mixed with countries?) on map, let alone know what in any of them is going on.

Just for example, do you have any idea what happened in Chechnya, Bosnia or Kosovo?

Wonder if we should add Michigan into the list, now that 'Christians' have been attacked. (news can't lie)

I love generalization, and I am sure that we all will agree that all religions are 'bloody' trough history and we should abolish religion, just as Hitchens once said.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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So you believe a video over someone who was actually there?

How lame is that?



Right, because he was there he was able to monitor every single person instantaneously? Do you realize how short-sighted and logically inept you are? Should your flawless logic now apply to UFOs, so that we only have to rely on eye witnesses and just discard any need for photos and videos since it's good enough that "people were there"?
You me sick, flip flopping on logic just to suit your political agenda.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by DoctorMobius
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Did they physically attack anyone? No


BS and you know it. If I stand in front of your house, in the street, with a legal permit, and I shout hateful things at you. You should kick my ass. You have every right to kick my ass. The law might say otherwise, but you and I are men, and we know better.


If you can't handle people talking negatively about you then I doubt you're the man you say you are in the first place. The constitution protects free speech, it doesn't protect physical violence when not used for defensive purposes.
It's pretty appalling you think negatively worded signs are worse than pieces of concrete and glass bottles being thrown at people. I find it hard to believe you're a ron paul supporter, because I'm currently watching you throw out the constitution to suit your agenda just like the people you're apparently "against".


The guys who wrote the Constitution believed in honor and personal responsibility. If you had insulted them, they would have challenged you to a duel and killed you on the spot for your poor manners.

I fully support the Constitution, but it wasn't written to give people the right to bully and harass. This was never a "peaceable assembly." This was harassment.

Maybe I am weak. If someone screams in my face that I am trash, and I'm going to burn in hell, and I have no right to be living in the same city as them, I'm probably going to knock their ass out. If that makes me weak, so be it, I'm not perfect, never claimed to be.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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What does this have to do with muslim/religion... this is what happens when retards collide. It could have been a small group of retarded republicans/democrats crashing a retarded republican/democrat festival. same thing would have happened.

The key here is retarded people in case no one got it.





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