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The number 24,136 as well as factors and multiples of it, are found all throughout the Bible.
Total number of chapters and verses in the Torah equals 6034
Moses brought down Torah on 2 tablets for a total of 12068
Total number of chapters and verses in the entire collection of books included in the Hebrew Scriptures equals 24,136
Total number of chapters and verses in the Jewish books from Joshua to II Kings , all the prophets, excluding Zechariah, but including Psalms, totals 12,068
The other Jewish writings include Proverbs, Sons of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Esther, Ezra, Nehemiah and II chronicles total 3,017
From the generations of Adam through Methuselah are 5,974 years. This number multiplied by two, because the story line repeats the numbers twice when it recaps the ages, leaves us with the number 11,948. Then add 120 years to that because of Genesis 6:5, which states that man’s days shall be 120 years. The result is 12,068 years.
Returning to the measurements of Ezekiel, we find these numbers popping up in every measurement. See for yourself. Multiply the value of a measurement within Ezekiel’s Temple by 24.136. If a relevant number does not automatically show up, divide it by 12 for an inches to feet conversion. I have almost all of the measurements converted. If anyone would like them please leave a comment. I may end up just posting all of the measurements in a later blog. Here are just a few examples:
Ezekiel 40:5 – And behold a wall on the outside of the house round about, and in the man’s hand a measuring reed of six cubits long by the cubit and an hand breadth: so he measured the breadth of the building, one reed; and the height, one reed.
40:5 – a) 12.068 ft, b) 12.068 ft
Ezekiel 40:7 – And every little chamber was one reed long, and one reed broad; and between the little chambers were five cubits; and the threshold of the gate by the porch of the gate within was one reed.
40:7 – a) 12.068 ft, b) 12.068 ft, c) 120.68 in, d) 12.068 ft
Ezekiel 40:13 – He measured then the gate from the roof of one little chamber to the roof of another: the breadth was five and twenty cubits, door against door.
40:13 – a) 603.4 in
Ezekiel 40:14 – He made also posts of threescore cubits, even unto the post of the court round about the gate.
40:14 – a) 120.68 ft
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Awen24
Can't argue with you, i agree. People assume the books of the bible were written in book form, when it was written in scroll, and then they assume it came with chapters and numbered verses. They should just save the mathematics for something else, math may be the language of the universe but it ain't the language of YHWH.
Originally posted by Awen24
reply to post by Helper39
This is wrong on so many levels that I barely know where to start. Why, WHY do people continue to quote someone who thinks he's one of the two witnesses of Revelation? Isn't that on its own enough to suggest that the guy is a false prophet?
Allow me to debunk for you.
I want to focus primarily on the errors in the latter part of the post, but briefly:
- the 'code' referred to by 'John the Witness' does not prove, nor even suggest that Ezekiel's temple is figurative. Are the numbers significant? Yes they are. Do they prove that Ezekiel's temple is not real? No they do not.
- Daniel 9:27 does NOT refer to Christ, as he contends. If so, then why is "an end made of him" (also 9:27), and why would Christ Himself set up "the abomination that causes desolation" (9:27)? This is a single verse in a single passage, and yet 'John the Witness' contends that it refers to Christ (as you quote), and then, just two sentences later, attributes that SAME VERSE to Satan. Clever.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the repeated use (both here, by Daniel, and also by Christ in the NT) of a KNOWN incident (Antiochus Epiphanes violating the temple by setting up his own idol in the temple), which would have made perfect sense to Jesus' own audience of 1st Century Jews... and clearly has been lost on 'John the Witness'.
Now, to talk about numbers:
Chapters and verses in the Bible were LATER ADDITIONS, and are not present in the early texts. Jewish copies of the Torah actually contain 116 more verses than the common English Torah, which would give you a number of... not 6034, but 6150. Also, early versions of the Jewish Torah were divided up into 154 sections (not chapters). So there goes that theory.
In fact, the first known Jewish text to feature chapters is from the 15th Century, while the first Christian text... well, that's up for debate, but you're looking at the 5th century for that, at the latest. No matter which way you slice it, the post-textual addition of chapters and verses still throws the very concept squarely into the "non-divinely-inspired" category.
As for the next point there... Moses did NOT bring down the Torah from Mt. Sinai on tablets.
He may very well have brought parts of the Torah down (the Bible doesn't actually tell us, though textual scholarship suggests multiple authorship, or perhaps Mosaic compilation from various earlier sources), but he did not bring down the Torah on the tablets.
What he DID bring down from Mt. Sinai was two tablets containing the ten commandments (cf. Deut. 10:1-2), which God Himself wrote down.
I do particularly like the ridiculously arbitrary piece of scholarship that is adding up Adam to Methuselah's generations (twice) and then adding an entirely out-of-context 120 years because of Genesis 6:5, and the suggestion that "if a relevant number does not show up, divide it by 12 for an inches to feet conversion"; an interesting suggestion given that Ezekiel's temple isn't measured in feet or inches, but in cubits or "reeds" (as per 'John the Witness' in his own comments).
Seriously. Put this ridiculous excuse for a false prophet to rest.
He isn't worth the time of day. Instead, "test the spirits" as you've been commanded, test everything by the Bible, as the Bereans were commended for doing, and study for yourself instead of accepting the word of every false prophet that writes a blog!
edit on 26-6-2012 by Awen24 because: (no reason given)
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
Ask, Seek, Knock
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
By providing the true value of the sacred cubit, one can show that any rebuilt physical temple that does not match those dimensions is not legitimate
The northern Kingdom of Israel, was taken into captivity by the Assyrians in 722 B.C. These Lost Tribes of Israel lost their identity and their religion. They were worshiping Pagan Gods and they did not realize they were Israelites. Yeshua told his apostles to “preach only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:5-6.) Therefore at the time Yeshua was preaching, these Lost Tribes of Israel, were still lost and still pagan, and only a short while away from converting to Christianity in mass.