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Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by OpinionatedB
Forgive the ignorance, but I thought Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan also followed sharia law. Is this not the case?
Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by babloyi
I did a search of the Quran directly and the Haddith.
If there are Muslims who do not follow the teachings of the Haddith then I apologize to the Muslims who don't agree with or follow the Haddith.
These quotes are directly from the Quran
An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #34
As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means
An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #43
And if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women and you find no water, perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands
Also this is from the Hadith, a "quote" from Mohammed:
The Prophet said, "I stood at the gate of paradise and saw that the majority of the people who entered it were the poor, while the wealthy were stopped at the gate (for the accounts). But the companions of the Fire were ordered to be taken to the Fire. Then I stood at the gate of the Fire and saw that the majority of those who entered it were women." (Book #62, Hadith #124)
As is this "quote" from an apostle of Mohammed:
Then I saw the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before, seen such a horrible sight as that, and I saw that the majority of its dwellers were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for that?" He replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are not thankful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors done to them. Even if you do good to one of them all your life, when she seems some harshness from you, she will say, "I have never seen any good from you.' " (Book #62, Hadith #125)
Also this is from the Hadith:
The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." (Book #6, Hadith #301)
So it seems you are correct, the Quran tells men to beat their wives as a last resort; clean themselves after coming into contact with women.
The Hadith in many places says the quote about most of the inhabitants of hell being women is a direct quote from Mohammed.
The other quotes are from the Hadith as many I sited before. I was unaware that the Hadith is not followed by many Muslims, so I apologize to those who do not follow its teachings as holy or authoritative.
Other criticisms that I look to Shariah law and equate it with Islam. It is Shariah law that is dreadfully misogynistic. I also apologize to the Muslims who also feel Shariah law is not the ideal form of government, nor is it a desirable form of government.
However, the majority of Muslims in the world do live under Shariah, do they not? And the proponents of Shariah say they are doing the will of Allah, do they not? They say all people should live under Shariah do they not?
I still have problems understanding why a woman today would choose (if she is free to choose) to convert.
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by grandmakdw
Alright. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, here. Although with you making statements like "women in islam promising their husbands unlimited rape for all eternity", I'm not sure why. You've obviously made up your mind, and I'm sorry, it does appear like baiting.
Originally posted by grandmakdw
Ok I was wrong about unlimited rape, and I wasn't referring to a Muslim women. I was referring to what the Hadith calls houris - or the female beings (who were never women on earth) created in paradise for the sexual pleasure of men, they are heavenly beings who have willing sex with Muslim men and each time their hymen is broken it regrows. So this isn't rape, you are correct. I should have said promise him unlimited virginal sex for eternity.
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by smyleegrl
The taliban cannot even read the Quran in order to deduce what sharia law is, let alone enforce it. They are simply enforcing what they think it might be according to what the extremist wahabbi teachers say it should be. But have any of them read text? Most have not, because most cannot.
I have never read the book you speak of, although I know in Saudia women do not have rights, or what they have is very little. But this is not in accordance with Islam. The country itself does not even make the claim to be a country run according to Islam either, but one run according to the will of the monarchy.
Originally posted by grandmakdw
However, it seems that it is the wives who will be remade into virgins:
"And [with them will be their] spouses, raised high: for, behold, We shall have brought them into being in a life renewed, having resurrected them as virgins [Chapter (Surah) Al-Waqi'a (The Event)(56):34-36]
"I won’t let you die. I am Jesus, son of Mary."
Esther Gulshan is a pakistani muslim woman who has cried out to Jesus for 3 years to get healed from her handicap. Jesus appeared to her with a powerful shining light and since then a long and beautiful travel has begun...
Esther Gulshan was healed and set free by Jesus Christ HIMSELF!
When Esther Gulshan, a devout Muslim girl, was six months old, typhoid left her a cripple. Her loving father took her from Pakistan to England to find a cure, but the only hope the British specialist could offer was prayer. Gulshan and her father made a pilgrimage to Mecca and begged Allah for healing, but it was not until her father’s untimely death that Gulshan began to receive an answer. In her grief she wanted to die, but as she called out to God, for the first time in her life she sensed she was being heard. She heard a low, gentle voice say, "I won’t let you die. I will keep you alive "I am Jesus, son of Mary."
As Gulshan began reading the Quran, her interest in Jesus grew, until one amazing night he appeared to her in her bedroom in a blaze of light. He restored her crippled arm and leg and taught her The Lord’s Prayer. He told her to go to his people—now her people—and tell them what he had done. Since that time, and to this day, she has been a joyous, obedient disciple of Christ. Her book "The Torn Veil" is an amazing story of faith and determination.
The Torn Veil
Esther's Vision of Jesus and Twelve Angels
In her book Esther reports that beginning after her father's death when she was 16 years old, she began to hear the voice of Jesus, encouraging her to read about Him in the Quran. At the age of 19 she says she had a vision of Jesus and twelve other radiant beings in her bedroom at 3am, just before morning prayers. At that time her limbs were instantly and completely healed. At the same time He healed her, Esther recounts that Jesus said, "What you have seen now with your eyes you must take to my people," then he taught her The Lord's Prayer and told her one more time before departing, "I want you to be my witness." As a result of her healing, Esther immediately became a local celebrity.
Later, in light of some hostility from Muslims who didn't like her testimony that Jesus had healed her, Esther began to wonder why He was considered an unimportant or peripheral character by Muslims. She further began to question why, if Jesus could heal the sick and raise the dead, was he considered less important than Mohammed, who could not perform these feats. She also puzzled over the fact that the Quran contained almost no information or teachings about Jesus, even while stating that he was a noble and favored prophet. Esther wrote that The Lord's Prayer taught her that Jesus has primacy over any prophet, and is proof of the Kingship of Jesus, since it was He who taught her the prayer (during their brief encounter) and it is He who will establish the earthly kingdom of God upon his return from Heaven.
The True Story of Esther Gulshan
Many African Muslims are having visions dreams, angelic appearances and hearing God's voice
Many Muslims are seekers after God, and this is good. The Hebrew prophet Jeremiah wrote: "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart" (Jeremiah 29:13). Whether Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, nominal Christian, or nothing at all- the challenge is to seek God because the promise is He will be found. Jesus said something quite similar: "Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well" (Matthew 6:33). Since we are created in the image of God, made by and for Him, we will never be complete and satisfied until we know Him personally. We are all one people despite the labels we receive in this world, and the Creator God is He who sent His Son, Jesus, that the walls of separation might be broken down.
The challenge is to make up your own mind about Jesus Christ. Learn about Him yourself and not merely accept the opinions and prejudices of others. Find a New Testament, read the story of His life, and see if you find anything amiss with Him, and sin, anything false. Find an Old Testament and read of the prophecies of the Messiah (which is Hebrew for Christ), passages like Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53, and see if these passages are not about Jesus. If you seek Him, He will be found. A Challenge to Seekers
Well, its the same for christians.
The children of a christian father will be born christian... UNTIL they make their personal choice to convert to a different religion or become atheist
Originally posted by grandmakdw
You said the Quran does not command killing of non-believers but I found what turned out to be just a few verses out of many commanding killing of non-believers
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."
Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"