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Is Death An Illusion? Evidence Suggests Death Isn’t the End

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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Have you ever heard of Dr. John L. Turner? I would advise reading his book, "Medicine, Miracles, and Manifestations"

It is a great read and very interesting. I found some answers there to my weird sighting of orbs and other paranormal activity.

There are other levels of existence that we don't know about or can explain at this point in history...

enjoy the jouney because it isn't about how much crap we can buy!




posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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After the death of his old friend, Albert Einstein said “Now Besso has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us … know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”

New evidence continues to suggest that Einstein was right – death is an illusion.


Not trying to knock the great idea of this thread, but since you used Einstein's words as your main/first example, I would like to explore this a little to qualify the quote a bit more.
There are two items in this quote that need to be qualified.

Point one, the missing words. This statement (from a letter of condolence to Michele Besso's wife) is also quoted as "For us believing physicists, the distinction ...". So one may ask what the term "believing physicists" meant to him. The answer is in a credo written by Einstein, in answer to questions that tried to make him define his faith. The credo is quite long and underlines his curious mind and respect for the marvels and mysteries of the Universe and for principles of physic that man had discovered through his searching. Einstein's Credo ends with ...

The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as of all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all there is."

from Albert Einstein - in the World Wide Web

But perhaps his reference to death also hints at something relative to this thread. It appears to confirm death, not to deny it. Indeed, in the lead-up to writing this credo, he had been asked if he believed in imortality. His answer was

No. And one life is enough for me.


Next point. The extract of the quote posted by the OP that I placed at the top of this post makes an incorrect deduction. Apart from the fact that what Einstein wrote might have been tainted with sympathy and compassion, his reference is not to death, but time. So, it is not death, but time (past, present and future) that is the illusion. This is quite in line with his relativistic perceptions of time and space.

But perhaps a second order deduction might allow one to relate life to time, and therefore one can say by implication, life, and therefore death as well, are illusions. But even this means we probably then have to accept that both are illusions.

OK, on to my own thoughts. I think the definition of death depends on the definition of life.
If my life is that breathing, thinking, biological thing I experience, then indeed death is real and no illusion.

If life is related to my life's work, then indeed I will live on through my actions, irrespective of whether they were deemed good or bad, and therefore death is an illusion

If life is perceived to be that of my spirit/soul/energy, then it is eternal and death is irrelevant.

So what is my definition of life ... I am still trying to figure that out it seems, life may well also be an illusion.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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I agree. Adding 'evidence' in the title is misleading as there isn't any offered.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Fascinating topic.

I have to laugh at the people who are certain this is all bunk, as much as I have to laugh at the people who are certain it's all true.

We know less than not that much about our universe and our existence.

Keep an open mind. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Death is the next step and I am not there yet. I am alive in the here and now. Why do so many people concern themselves with an afterlife when they have life right here and now. Squandering this life for reward in the next is completely absurd to me.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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That's is Not Trolling ..it is a Fact..you will not know until you die .. get over it .

This is ridiculous to debate .. The beliefs are personal and not verifiable . Each side has its beliefs and are pretty inflexible .

Although science tells us Consciousness is Energy and Near Death Survivors tell us that we do survive in some state .. you either believe or not.

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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Science tells us consciousness is energy? Really?

I don't think so. Science tells us that the human brain is electro-magnetic-chemical. We need all three for it to operate.

YOU are of the belief that consciousness is energy. Science hasn't verified this in the least.

Tell you what. Post some scientific studies on this. Back it up.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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I wanted to give my 2 cents on this subject.. There is an ebook written by some guy that has done something of a case of if death were real.

There is an ebook I own that talks about death and afterlife and this guy puts a case as if it were on trial... It is an interesting read.. It talks about how scientists talked to dead people after they died.. and alot of things.. EVP, reincarnation and so on.. its really interesting if I can get the book online i can show you guys...

But i dont remember where i got it cause it was a long time ago.. its a 225 page ebook on death..


Plus there is this guy who has hypnotized people into recalling thier time after last death and before this one.. Journeys of the soul or something like that.. If i can refind those books i will tell about them here..
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by oghamxx



… know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.”


Yes we suffer from the illusion of space/time because we perceive our reality as if time is linear, but in fact time is non-linear. This is the illusion created by the brain in order to experience this life in duality or separation rather than in a singularity or connectiveness. There is no past or future, just the present, here and now.


We believe in death because we’ve been taught we die. Also, of course, because we associate ourselves with our body and we know bodies die. End of story.


I believe that we are spiritual beings having a human experience, not the other way around. Our human bodies are physical vessels(3rd density slow-spinning vibration of atoms)that contain our spiritual bodies(5th density fast-spinning vibration of atoms) and we continue on a spirtual experience torward the expansion of knowledge after our physical bodies expire within that lifetime and we decide whether or not to incarnate back into the physical realms of existence to test ourselves and have new and different experiences. I don't know what I am because I wouldn't say "I don't know what religion I am", I know that I just AM what I AM because I am just an aspect of everything that already exists, experiencing itself through a different set of lense.


Bottom line: What you see could not be present without your consciousness.


I believe God is just "consciousness" experiencing itself as an aspect of everything that exists so he is right, what you see "could not" be present without your "consciousness"



I can accept the possibility of there being matter and even life forms which exist outside our limited sensory organs and thus can not be processed by our brains.


Ofcourse we would perceive ourselves as being separate cells from one another yes it would seem that way because the part cannot perceive the whole, although we would be seen as one organism from a distance. A cell experiences itself as separate from the rest of the organism because a cell is so tiny that we have to use a microscope just to view it as being separate from the rest of the cells that make up the organism. This is the same principle for all living things. The reason we seem to perceive that there is a past and future is an illusion created by our own mind because the neo-cortex of the brain is responsible for what you are perceiving in the first place. So neurologically, you would have to believe something before you can even perceive it.
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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I'm going to turn to the wisdom of Bill Hicks here a moment:

“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.”
― Bill Hicks

And if you don't think that's on the money, you've got more "exploring" to do. Because during my "exploring", I found the EXACT same thing.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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Fair enough. Thank you for admitting your post was based on faith. I guess the self-evident, concrete answers will come to all of us sooner or later.

Hey, OP, the thread's title is horribly misleading btw.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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Thats so funny because ive been saying the same thing, in fact I just mentioned that in my previous post:


Originally posted by xAlbinoniblAx

Our human bodies are physical vessels(3rd density slow-spinning vibration of atoms)that contain our spiritual bodies(5th density fast-spinning vibration of atoms)

I wouldn't say "I don't know what religion I am", I know that I just AM what I AM because I am just an aspect of everything that already exists, experiencing itself through a different set of lense.


It seems that this is up to par with what Bill Hicks said in his quote:


“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.”
― Bill Hicks

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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I read the following on a website just yesterday and it really gave me a jolt. It went something like this:

"What if the light at the end of a tunnel we see when we die is just us being pushed through the birth canal into our next life".

Now, I must clarify that I am an Athiest through and through and I don't believe that we advance to another level of existence after death blah blah blah. I think that when we die, that's it. No more. But this simple little phrase made me think more than twice about it because of its simplicity. Obviously, it's flawed on many levels, but it's an interesting theory. Interesting post OP.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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when i think about life being an illusion i see a big ball of gas alot like a brain floating in space.
the imagination of are self experiencing are self in the safest part of the galaxy.

good cells are recreated and bad cells are left to die or maybe it takes a big cosmic poooo and sends you on your way.

or maybe the universe is the brain and earth is its imagination
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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This how I've come to understand consciousness.

When you dream and no matter how bizarre the dream may be the consciousness or the observer is just sitting there observing, with no real interaction with the dream body to make a decision, you ( or your conscious) is not aware it's in a dream nor it cares where it's at it just observes ( unless you become aware you are dreaming and start taking control which is another discussion of lucid dreaming).

Spiritual connection with the divine source/ universe requires deep effort from our egos / lower selves to actually take action to learn, research, meditate and most important LOVE. The ego must understand it's placement and involvement in this reality and agree to work towards a higher vibration or higher perspective of reality to achieve pure love. In order for our egos/ lower selves to do this it requires a functional body to some degree.

With that said, a person who is in vegetable state doesn't have a working brain system, his conscious just sits and observes the world around him just like it would in dream state. Some believe such as Adampants (look him up on youtube) believes since a vegetable person has no real connection with his brain thus no connection with his ego self, is living his life in a higher vibrational state of consciousness. In order for our higher selves communicate with us our lower selves it does that through our intuition which is associated with our life memories, learnings and since the vegetable person has connection with that information our higher conscious has no communication with the reality that you and I see today.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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IMHO the best reason there is: if we have an afterlife, we are unaware it because it is a higher plane of existence which we currently cannot comprehend.
I think of it, like it is a simulation of some sorts. Once we are done with it, we return home.
The real question, if you are really looking for afterlife, is that if this is the absolute reality, or not.
You have a consciousness, you are aware. You think, observe, experience. This world is based on laws. Your mind isn't.
This world has a point of start. The big bang, I'm sure you have heard of it. And existence cannot come from nonexistence. You can't say there was nothing and then there was something. Things exist, or they don't exist.
Either 'god' created an elaborate simulation in which we don't exist for some unknown reasons, or we are just projections in a virtual reality.
I don't believe in god. God is an umbrella of some sorts, which you put above your head when you don't wish to remain responsible for your acts or the events around you.
Still more reasonable to say that we, in some form, created this 'reality'. For prison of living without the knowledge of eternity, for learning what is existence in the binding of time, or for some other reasons, I cannot tell. All I believe is what I have started to think after years of observation.
I can't tell if this is the truth, or we don't exist at all, but I'd rather think we are more than this. Gives some ominous reason for doing 'this', and well, you know, not jumping off a twenty story building.
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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Originally posted by FlySolo
The entire universe follows a recycling program. From plants in the dirt, rain, ocean currents, day and night, stardust composition in our bodies, molecules, atoms, skin cells, planets, galaxies and even our urine. To say we live and then just die would mean "we" are an exception to a universal rule.


This is just semantics, everything physical thing is constantly changing. Yet this doesn't mean that our biological change from living to non living matter allows our individual sense of consciousnesses to continue, either.


I knew someone would say that. Then my question is, why not? Who's to say what consciousness really is?



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Andromedabound

Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by Balkan

That said, your memories, feelings, fears, loves, all of that, is programmed in neuron pathways and synapses in your brain. That part, indeed, dies.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I am a skeptic, but I've seen some compelling evidence for reincarnation. For myself, I had some strange dreams when I was a young child with adult-like emotional content and experiences I'm not so sure I could have imagined at that age. I also find the phenomena of dreaming/intuitions of loved ones after they have died (within hours/days) to be too common to be coincidence. Again, I've experienced this myself, and it was very intriguing. Do I believe in an afterlife? Souls? Reincarnation? I can't say for certain one way or the other. But I think there is interesting and compelling evidence that something of the consciousness does indeed hang around somehow/someway after the brain has ceased to function.


I have seen some compelling evidence that brain damage affects personality, cognitive reasoning, and memory. Your brain is an organic computer. If I shoot my desktop pc, it will stop working properly. You damage components of your brain, it also won't work properly. If you're claiming your consciousness is independent of your brain, then brain damage shouldn't have any effect whatsoever.




Sorry, but your analogy is dicey at best.

Consciousness is like the electricity in your desk lamp. If you smash the lamp do you kill the electricity? No.



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Sorry, but your analogy is worse. First of all, humans are nothing like desk lamps. When you smash a human, do you smash the air in his lungs? Do you smash the blood in his veins? Do you smash the urine in his bladder? No. They splatter everywhere and deteriorate into the ground. Much like consciousness would if it wasn't the culmination of millions of things.

Second: since when is consciousness energy? Never.


If you damage the brain, consciousness can not manifest properly, it does not mean you damage the consciousness.


Consciousness manifests ? No. Without the brain there is no consciousness. No matter how you try to spin it. Your brain isn't a magician. It's not going to make consciousness manifest itself like a rabbit in a hat. You seem to think that consciousness is some eternal indestructible force. But that's just not true. Without a certain part of your brain, a certain element or part of your consciousness will not work. Without your eyes, your consciousness is limited in sight. Without your skin, your consciousness is limited in touch etc. etc. etc.

Also, the energy in your body will go somewhere when it dies. Much like when a tree falls, it's energy goes into the ground and area where it lays.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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An observer is not present to see the waves, so we use a proxy. A photo sensitive plate that will show an observer after the fact, where the light was hitting. The plate absorbes the waves the way a photo absorbes light, when no one watches, the light will form a very distinct wave pattern.
Ained
If you just read the link I provided for like 3 minutes all this will be explained. You can even test this at home, they have a DYI kit I saw, don't remember the site though.



posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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Science tells us consciousness is energy? Really?

I don't think so. Science tells us that the human brain is electro-magnetic-chemical. We need all three for it to operate.

YOU are of the belief that consciousness is energy. Science hasn't verified this in the least.

Tell you what. Post some scientific studies on this. Back it up.



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Look Everything is Energy ... here is a youtube since you wont take my opinion as fact .



This is considered basic knowledge today .. So go argue with a physicist .

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