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Is Death An Illusion? Evidence Suggests Death Isn’t the End

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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The whole of life is illusory according to some scholars, some say we are part of a virtual programme, a micro-cosm simile of life, not sure I go in for the theory of us being part of a virrtual machine/life based programme (we have all seen the programmes done to simulate this ourselves, so it is plausible) but I supose it all boils down to "are you avoice in my head? or am I a niggling itch at the back of your mind?"

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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For me, this is such an exciting and mind boggling subject.

What happens when we die and where did we come from?

This is my opinion. My ( so far) conclusion to what I have experienced and perceived.

For me, my studies suggest we are energy beings trapped inside a mind that binds us to a certain reality that is different than anothers reality. The way we all perceive is so different therefore when we take our last breath in the body, it leads us to a suction/ tunnel where we experience our past life in detail ( pros and cons) until the transition has taken place. How your actions played out while trapped is crucial upon transitioning.

Evidence is only found through experience/ perception.

We are experiencing this mind set on a different level for a reason. This reason is for our soul evolution to maintain balance of space.

Eta... It is alos my opinion ... We didnt come from anywhere.... We just are. There is no beginning nor an end. Time does not exist outside of this false reality we sense.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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How can we have a discussion about death without even mentioning the pineal gland? The more reading and understanding I have about this gland and the substance that it releases ('___') the more it sounds to me that upon death you are released from this body and sent into another form of existence. And although you will decay and rot and never be again in this place, you still exist in another form. Cheers to wishful thinking.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
That's a fair assumption, but untrue. I neither haven't experienced no perceived anything that constitutes life after death. No ones has. So what is someone to do in this case? Blindly believe the claims of others as you do? I know I'm not the only one who is capable and confident enough to trust his own conclusions before the conclusions of others.

No one here is dead. Therefore, no one here can logically say, without lying to themselves at some point, that there is an afterlife. All I hear is people who think they were dead at some point, who, while their brain was under extreme amounts of turbulence and stress, happened to maybe experience something out of the ordinary. This doesn't explain anything at all. It only shows that their body and brain was under considerable enough amount of stress. How can we not at least accept the possibility that this was the cause of "trips to the afterlife and back?"



what bothers me most about your posts is that you insist throughout them that 'no one' has experienced these things...

how do you know what anyone else, beside yourself, has experienced?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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He's just lost in the semantics of it all.

In his world, death is something you don't come back from.

In the real world, we have a term called, "clinically dead" that happens to some people, and every once in a while they come back. Sometimes even an hour after being pronounced dead!



There's no reasoning with him on this issue. Death is something you don't come back from in his world. Let him live in lala land.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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To be able to have this discussion you first have to answer a couple of questions accurately.

Who are you?
When did your life begin?

What ever your answers to those questions will tell you what your natural belief is of what happens beyond what is currently defined as death by general consensus.


If you don't know or can not find the answers to those then I doubt you have done enough thinking to be able to accurately ponder when your end is and what will result after.

We all too quickly like or dislike some idea or other but rarely test whether that idea holds up to scrutiny within our own understanding. If it doesn't then you are not ready for that idea (wrong or right) and most definitely will not have enough to discuss the realms beyond that idea.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
That's a fair assumption, but untrue. I neither haven't experienced no perceived anything that constitutes life after death. No ones has. So what is someone to do in this case? Blindly believe the claims of others as you do? I know I'm not the only one who is capable and confident enough to trust his own conclusions before the conclusions of others.

No one here is dead. Therefore, no one here can logically say, without lying to themselves at some point, that there is an afterlife. All I hear is people who think they were dead at some point, who, while their brain was under extreme amounts of turbulence and stress, happened to maybe experience something out of the ordinary. This doesn't explain anything at all. It only shows that their body and brain was under considerable enough amount of stress. How can we not at least accept the possibility that this was the cause of "trips to the afterlife and back?"



what bothers me most about your posts is that you insist throughout them that 'no one' has experienced these things...

how do you know what anyone else, beside yourself, has experienced?


Logic.

Death is permanent. The dead aren't living and thus cannot tell us what it's like after death. Bodies decompose shortly after death. A corpse cannot convey what he sees. I would wager it cannot see at all.

I don't claim to know what others have experienced. I only know that no dead have ever come back to share their observations. I am still logically able to maintain that no one has experienced life after death simply because they're still alive, and that no dead men speak.

The thing that bothers me about posts such as yours, is that everything is a huge assumption based on the claims of others rather than through the use of your own reason, when it's obvious that these people were still alive when they conveyed their claims. A living man can not claim there is life after death when he is still alive.

A man claiming he has seen the afterlife is just the same as a man awakening and saying he went to Mars in his dreams. Why would you believe that?

How have you yourself come to the conclusion there is life after death?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
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He's just lost in the semantics of it all.

In his world, death is something you don't come back from.

In the real world, we have a term called, "clinically dead" that happens to some people, and every once in a while they come back. Sometimes even an hour after being pronounced dead!



There's no reasoning with him on this issue. Death is something you don't come back from in his world. Let him live in lala land.


So you immediately equate their experience to an afterlife rather than a body in distress? Why?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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You are so confused.

Read over my post history if you must.

Not wasting my time on this one.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.


Who are you?
When did your life start?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Logic.

Death is permanent. The dead aren't living and thus cannot tell us what it's like after death. Bodies decompose shortly after death. A corpse cannot convey what he sees. I would wager it cannot see at all.

I don't claim to know what others have experienced. I only know that no dead have ever come back to share their observations. I am still logically able to maintain that no one has experienced life after death simply because they're still alive, and that no dead men speak.

The thing that bothers me about posts such as yours, is that everything is a huge assumption based on the claims of others rather than through the use of your own reason, when it's obvious that these people were still alive when they conveyed their claims. A living man can not claim there is life after death when he is still alive.

A man claiming he has seen the afterlife is just the same as a man awakening and saying he went to Mars in his dreams. Why would you believe that?

How have you yourself come to the conclusion there is life after death?


I don't base my claims on anyone elses... I have my own personal beliefs that I have come to on my own.
I not only believe in life after death, I believe in 'life' between lives, and also 'life' before life...

I have had my own personal experiences with the supernatural which lead my to believe in ghosts and reincarnation. I have held these beliefs for the past 20 years, and in that time, my further studies in the matter have reinforced rather than weaken that stance.

Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?


ETA - as far as logic goes... to me it is illogical to think that logic can solve everything, which reinforces my belief that there are times when you have to think illogically in order to find the answers to certain questions.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Ad hominem attacks get you nowhere, friend. Why don't you refute what I've said?

What a childlike and poor attempt at making me look bad.




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad

Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?

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When there is no chance of return. If there's a chance they will return I will consider them still alive.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by IAmD1
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I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.


Who are you?
When did your life start?



Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by kalisdad

Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?

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When there is no chance of return. If there's a chance they will return I will consider them still alive.


who determines that chance??

what about the people that have been declared 'dead' for hours only to be awake the next moment?
what about the baby that is discarded as a stillborn only to be found out later that they are actually alive?

I assume you are not much a person of faith and that you believe that once you are dead that is the end... correct me if I am wrong



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by IAmD1
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I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.


Who are you?
When did your life start?



Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.


Hmm it is on topicI feel since the follow on would be discussing the above question of death as an illusion or not. To be able to discuss it these two questions must be answered.(imo)
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by IAmD1
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I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.


Who are you?
When did your life start?



Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.


how is this off topic? we are discussing the suggestion of life after death. if there is life after death, then there is life before life and that makes these questions valid in my opinion

it would give us some insight to you point of view if you were willinmg to discuss these question in the thread



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by kalisdad

Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?

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When there is no chance of return. If there's a chance they will return I will consider them still alive.


who determines that chance??

what about the people that have been declared 'dead' for hours only to be awake the next moment?
what about the baby that is discarded as a stillborn only to be found out later that they are actually alive?

I assume you are not much a person of faith and that you believe that once you are dead that is the end... correct me if I am wrong


Chance determines that chance. Is this not as acceptable enough?

Everyone has faith in one thing or another. I just don't have faith in the interpretations and claims of others before I reach the same conclusion.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
 


I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.


Who are you?
When did your life start?



Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.


how is this off topic? we are discussing the suggestion of life after death. if there is life after death, then there is life before life and that makes these questions valid in my opinion

it would give us some insight to you point of view if you were willinmg to discuss these question in the thread


Sure. I will have to wait until I am not at work. I will reply later on. Although I feel you are attempting to bait me into something.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Chance determines that chance. Is this not as acceptable enough?

Everyone has faith in one thing or another. I just don't have faith in the interpretations and claims of others before I reach the same conclusion.


so by this standard, you are commiting yourself to having a possible wrong stance until you are able to come to the same conclussion.

by taking the stance that there 'is no life after death', you are ruling out the possibility that there is, and blinding yourself to that reality.

what a person believes at the time of there death has a direct effect on what happens once they die.

you never answered my question about what you believe happens when you die. does the energy that compromises your consciousness/soul just disappear?

ETA - not trying to bait you into anything. I simply have a different opinion on the subject, and might have an easier time understanding your point of view if I knew your opinion of when life begins.

this also makes me wonder how you define life in regards to other forms of matter... is bacteria conscious of its life and death? a mosquito? Sol?

Take your time...
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