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Prove The Existence Of Any Religious Entity

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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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Most things are next to impossible to prove. People get confused about this because they think that evidence and proof are the same thing.




posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by Covertblack
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It's far easier to lump Christians all together and point towards evangelists as the norm.


In case you did not notice, which you didn't. I mentioned the various different sects of christianity, I just have zero energy to type out 20-40 different beliefs.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by DragonRain311

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by paganini
 


It's far easier to lump Christians all together and point towards evangelists as the norm.


In case you did not notice, which you didn't. I mentioned the various different sects of christianity, I just have zero energy to type out 20-40 different beliefs.


I noticed, thanks for the information. You seem to hold more anger inside than love. I hope you find what you are looking for in life. Good luck sir.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by paganini

Originally posted by Covertblack

Originally posted by DragonRain311

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Some can't believe in something greater than themselves.....


Really? I have not heard that one before, you made me recoil into my pit of ignorance and feces.

No, you simple minded imbecile! I am not so arrogant that I believe nothing is greater than me.

Faith in the religious sense is a disease that needs to be eradicated and not embraced. Anyone who has been killed in the name of a deity would probably tell you before they died that they do not understand why they are giving up their lives for these lost causes, but they did anyway. One of the only barriers that humanity has from evolving to the next level spiritually and technologically is religion. When people devote their entire lives to a fruitless endeavor and ridicule others because their religious beliefs are not right, that is WASTE of life.

Christians have multiple denominations, Muslims have different sects of Islam, Satanists have their differences, and so on. For people to spend their lives arguing over whose sector is correct, I pity all of you for wasting your lives.

People, we are here to enjoy our lives. We are already restricted politically, financially, and vocationally, do you really want to impose more restrictions on your life? Love your family, treat people equally and that's it.


Thanks for the insult. What restrictions am I imposing on my life, and let me remind you it's my life, and I am free to do with it as I wish. If you want to believe in nothing than good for you. You act as though I sit in a cathedral and pray all day, wasting my life away.


You mean to tell me theres religious people who are practical in regards to their faith and its only a small aspect of their life? OH MY GOD THE SHOCK!!!!


"Places tin foil hat on subject's head"

Okay, now I am getting irritated because you fail to read before you criticize. At no point did I say anything about the amount of time in one's life it consumes. At no time did I say anyone sits around in a church all day. Read before your fingers hit the damn keyboard.

How can you defend yourself properly when you cannot be bothered to read.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Prove that life came from non living material. If you say it has already been done or that it has been repeated in a lab, then you are lying. Taking organelles and placing them into a living cell is not creating life. It is like creating a macro in Word or Excel and saying that you created a program.
edit on 26-6-2012 by Numbers33four because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by DragonRain311First and foremost sir or ma'am. No one asked you to read this long winded post.

But i did and felt the need to point out the contraindications in it.


Originally posted by DragonRain311Second, I read before I criticize as I am not an ignorant tool.


If you say so


Originally posted by DragonRain311Third, it is too much to bear because I wish this world were filled with people who were able to separate logic from fantasy


And you assume there are not? I always loved conspiracy sites So many people think they are unique snowflakes who are wide awake in a sea of ignorance . I believe it makes some of you feel special as if youre in some elite club that's in the know on a given matter and you cant help but stroke your own ego over it.

As someone already pointed out your running with a wide assumption that religious folks all sit in a temple all day praying and reading their holy books



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Originally posted by DragonRain311You seem to be incapable of understanding the reasoning behind this post, but that is alright. Not everyone can be the sharpest tool in the shed. How about you take a look in the mirror and realize that you probably don't have the audacity to do something like this, and read material which completely contradicts everything you believe in with an objective opinion.


See now this is another example of getting angry to easily. I suppose these fruits and vegetables youre consuming and this high energy dog you're walking dont help relieve stress?


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Originally posted by DragonRain311The bottom line is, I am lamenting because our species should be a lot further along scientifically and technologically. But because of bible pushers and people blocking progress, we are still wallowing in insanity and fanaticism over expired ideals and belief systems.


Really its shocking to you despite in the entire course of humanity has been riddled with one conflict after another?
You really think religion is the cause of this and the removal of it wouldn't create a void that would quickly be filled even though for example we see people being inspired to do heinous things over philosophical works over music over tv even over who makes the best koolaid!


One could logically conclude the problem is humanity and our ever present war like nature that has prevented us from attaining this development you speak of. This would be called seeing the bigger picture but you have clearly allowed your judgment to be clouded because you have a bone to pick with religion.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by DragonRain311
So just to confirm, you truly believe I am incorrect under the premise of some individual who claims he is able to identify satanists through sound?


Incorrect....

I KNOW you are irrevocably without QUESTION 100% incorrect

I NEVER would have posted otherwise and wasted your time or mine.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by DragonRain311

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Some can't believe in something greater than themselves.....


Really? I have not heard that one before, you made me recoil into my pit of ignorance and feces.

No, you simple minded imbecile! I am not so arrogant that I believe nothing is greater than me.

Faith in the religious sense is a disease that needs to be eradicated and not embraced. Anyone who has been killed in the name of a deity would probably tell you before they died that they do not understand why they are giving up their lives for these lost causes, but they did anyway. One of the only barriers that humanity has from evolving to the next level spiritually and technologically is religion. When people devote their entire lives to a fruitless endeavor and ridicule others because their religious beliefs are not right, that is WASTE of life.

Christians have multiple denominations, Muslims have different sects of Islam, Satanists have their differences, and so on. For people to spend their lives arguing over whose sector is correct, I pity all of you for wasting your lives.

People, we are here to enjoy our lives. We are already restricted politically, financially, and vocationally, do you really want to impose more restrictions on your life? Love your family, treat people equally and that's it.


I believe he was referring to the WASTE of life in this post.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by paganini
 


It's far easier to lump Christians all together and point towards evangelists as the norm.


Precisely and i love how an argument over religion turns into a lets moan about Christianity or Islam thread . Apparently the Abrahamic faiths are the totality of religion . and not only do all Christians have to answer for the wrongs of the past and present but apparently the religions who aren't associated with them do as well.

ay yi yi




posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Numbers33four
Prove that life came from non living material. If you say it has already been done or that it has been repeated in a lab, then you are lying. Taking organelles and placing them into a living cell is not creating life. It is like creating a macro in Word or Excel and saying that you created a program.
edit on 26-6-2012 by Numbers33four because: (no reason given)


That is not the reason for this thread. Do what I ask, then I may decide to acquiesce to your request if you are a little nicer about it



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by paganini

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by paganini
 


It's far easier to lump Christians all together and point towards evangelists as the norm.


Precisely and i love how an argument over religion turns into a lets moan about Christianity or Islam thread . Apparently the Abrahamic faiths are the totality of religion . and not only do all Christians have to answer for the wrongs of the past and present but apparently the religions who aren't associated with them do as well.

ay yi yi



Either you are an idiot, or you suffer from selective exposure. I indicated at the top of this thread in the original post, items of religious belief other than abrahamic systems. Instead of being counter productive and commenting just to comment or pick, why don't you actually contribute and say something of substance.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Covertblack

Originally posted by DragonRain311

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Some can't believe in something greater than themselves.....


Really? I have not heard that one before, you made me recoil into my pit of ignorance and feces.

No, you simple minded imbecile! I am not so arrogant that I believe nothing is greater than me.

Faith in the religious sense is a disease that needs to be eradicated and not embraced. Anyone who has been killed in the name of a deity would probably tell you before they died that they do not understand why they are giving up their lives for these lost causes, but they did anyway. One of the only barriers that humanity has from evolving to the next level spiritually and technologically is religion. When people devote their entire lives to a fruitless endeavor and ridicule others because their religious beliefs are not right, that is WASTE of life.

Christians have multiple denominations, Muslims have different sects of Islam, Satanists have their differences, and so on. For people to spend their lives arguing over whose sector is correct, I pity all of you for wasting your lives.

People, we are here to enjoy our lives. We are already restricted politically, financially, and vocationally, do you really want to impose more restrictions on your life? Love your family, treat people equally and that's it.


I believe he was referring to the WASTE of life in this post.


In other words, because I have the audacity to stand up to people and ask questions people do not feel comfortable asking or because you view me as an individual void of any substance, family, friends, home, or any value, you think I am a waste of life? Did I say you were a waste of life? No.

How about you actually take the time to criticize objectively instead of attacking people for breathing. I am just as valuable a human being as you are sir.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Some can't believe in something greater than themselves.....
More like: some people can't believe how great they truly are. We are more than the sum of our visible parts.


I can prove the existence of all entities: humanity and the cosmos. It contains all the "bad ones" and the "good ones", and many of their stories - real, sensational, or fictional. It contains the three basic stages that make up life, and we can see it in almost everything, including stars: formation (creation), existence (preservation), destruction (rebirth). That cyclical nature is eternity. Dogma doesn't matter, what matters is that we are all here, a collection of molecules that came together to form a vehicle for consciousness, that can be used to observe and experience life.

What squabbling religious people don't understand is love, which sees all as beautiful, perfect, and one. Yes it's holding us back, no it won't hold us back forever.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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I never said anything bad about your character. I simply pointed out what you had written. I do not think you are a bad person, and if you go through life not believing in religion that is your choice. You had written that people are wasting their lives, which is your opinion, when people come and defend the claims you seem to take it as a personal attack. I am stating how I feel about religion in my life.

What would it take to prove God exists to you? If I could take you to a place where he existed I would. The fact is that Christianity is based upon faith. If there was a way to simply show you that He exists than everyone would believe, thus taking faith completely out of the picture.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by DragonRain311


Either you are an idiot, or you suffer from selective exposure. I indicated at the top of this thread in the original post, items of religious belief other than abrahamic systems. Instead of being counter productive and commenting just to comment or pick, why don't you actually contribute and say something of substance.


Here is the top of your op


Originally posted by DragonRain311
Alright folks, a lot of you are going to tear me apart, but it has become too much to bear to the point where this must be released from my mind. I would like to start off by saying with regards to this matter, that I have read the bible, Qur'an, and the Mormon bible, so ultimately I read before I criticize, and after I have put the books down and analyzed what I had read, I laughed uncontrollably because I cannot understand why people choose to believe in such absurd stories to validate their own existences, to raise a family under and so forth.


You mentioned nothing of the sort.
You immediately went on with the usual fixation on the Abrahamic faiths and did not venture into anything else. You read three books out of a vast amount of religious textbooks out there yet you are trying to present yourself as informed.

I'm just saying at least chastise hare krishnas or jainists for a change. Bring something new to the table for once.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Love is what is part of Christianity, the true people that practice it. I love my fellow human.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by AdamsMurmur

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Some can't believe in something greater than themselves.....
More like: some people can't believe how great they truly are. We are more than the sum of our visible parts.


I can prove the existence of all entities: humanity and the cosmos. It contains all the "bad ones" and the "good ones", and many of their stories - real, sensational, or fictional. It contains the three basic stages that make up life, and we can see it in almost everything, including stars: formation (creation), existence (preservation), destruction (rebirth). That cyclical nature is eternity. Dogma doesn't matter, what matters is that we are all here, a collection of molecules that came together to form a vehicle for consciousness, that can be used to observe and experience life.

What squabbling religious people don't understand is love, which sees all as beautiful, perfect, and one. Yes it's holding us back, no it won't hold us back forever.


That one rocked me. Good job sir!!! If we perfected teleporter computer screens, I would be handing you a gift card to Wal Mart haha.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Some can't believe in something greater than themselves.....


Its normal for human's to create something bigger and badder than them, Human are made to follow and keep under obedient so its normal to think "something big is out there"...

its just like how ancient ancestors were afrad of "something in the dark".... They weren't sure about it but they were afraid of it because they can;t see it... same with faith, and religion.. or the big bad aliens that must be highly advanced than us concept.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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In your OP you stated that you have read the various holy books. My question is, do you feel that reading is sufficient to be considered an authority on a subject or should there be some level of comprehension and understanding along with discernment to accompany your formulation of opinions?



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by paganini

Originally posted by DragonRain311


Either you are an idiot, or you suffer from selective exposure. I indicated at the top of this thread in the original post, items of religious belief other than abrahamic systems. Instead of being counter productive and commenting just to comment or pick, why don't you actually contribute and say something of substance.


Here is the top of your op


Originally posted by DragonRain311
Alright folks, a lot of you are going to tear me apart, but it has become too much to bear to the point where this must be released from my mind. I would like to start off by saying with regards to this matter, that I have read the bible, Qur'an, and the Mormon bible, so ultimately I read before I criticize, and after I have put the books down and analyzed what I had read, I laughed uncontrollably because I cannot understand why people choose to believe in such absurd stories to validate their own existences, to raise a family under and so forth.


You mentioned nothing of the sort.
You immediately went on with the usual fixation on the Abrahamic faiths and did not venture into anything else. You read three books out of a vast amount of religious textbooks out there yet you are trying to present yourself as informed.

I'm just saying at least chastise hare krishnas or jainists for a change. Bring something new to the table for once.


Islam is not abrahamic. I have read more than three religious texts, and quite frankly I have researched hare krishna, and I find the system to which they operate in to be slightly better than that of abrahamic sectors. The truth is, with the hare krishna ideal, has anyone been killed in the name of krishna or in any of their ideals? The answer is an emphatic no.

I chose what I chose because most of the major religious problems on the planet come from these areas so therefore, they take the brunt of the blame.




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