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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Yes, like a lot of your posts.
Dangerous theology and unscriptural?It never says they went to heaven.
I'd ask Ananias and Saphira about that.People are saved, according to the New Testament, by a spirit from God which dwells in them to good works. We have that as a gift through belief in Jesus. This same spirit is what raises us from the dead. If that spirit is not in us, due to lack of belief and good works, grieving the spirit to where it has left us, then we do not have the resurrection to eternal life.
Something that was never earned by merit cannot be lost by demerit.
grieving the spirit to where it has left us, then we do not have the resurrection to eternal life.
Please explain either of you in practical everyday terms: 'faith', 'confess with your mouth Lord Jesus', 'Believe in Him'.
Also, what role does baptism play in this....what does it mean to be 'baptized' when you are an infant and you yourself have made no decision to follow God, are you still saved?
Basically I am asking... what are examples of the sequence of events of the process when one can actually say they are first 'saved'?
I am seeking to follow all that God commanded not only because I love God and want to be of service to Him by bringing more people to Him but also because there is a massive and varied degree of heavenly rewards on offer (much much greater variance of the degree of what even kind of earthly honors there are from highest to lowest) and I have a goal of being worthy to be included in the 144,000 group.
Um, the Holy Spirit doesn't depart from a New Covenant believer. That was Old Covenant ministry of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe in books from your "The New Orthodoxy" cult, where they made a new Christianity to subvert traditional Christianity, to fit in with its Rapture Scenario.
Pick up any random book on Systematic Theology. Justified/Justification is a legal term describing the believer's standing before God based upon Christ's completed work on the cross.
Jesus demonstrated his style of resurrection with Lazarus. At the end of John, Jesus is asked, "What about this disciple" and he replied, "What is it to you if he lives till I come?", so you can't say that he died with any sort of surety. There were a bunch of people who came out of their graves when Jesus was resurrected. They would have gone with him when he ascended from the Mount of Olives.
Lazarus is still alive in the flesh? No, Christ didn't demonstrate the eternal life of the flesh with Lazarus. His flesh is long decomposed into dust.
So is this all according to a blog that a member of your cult maintains?
Redemption of the flesh is called "glorification" and doesn't happen until the resurrection.
Then you are talking about a hypothetical "salvation".
We are discussing eternal life of the spirit/soul of a man, not the resurrection of the flesh.
. . . I can attest to that fact . . .
Past tense of "save" implies "justified/justification".
You realize most Christians don't believe in soul sleep doctrine correct? Even if we never received a glorified body the salvation of our soul/spirit would be vital. The body is merely a shell that houses the spirit/soul.
Security, not fear, produces Godly living. Romans 12:12; 1 Corinthians 6:15.
Loss of salvation is never threatened.
I give all the credit and glory to God.
We are not saved by our good works, however good works follow genuine salvation.