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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by troubleshooter
 

When you dilute sin like you have here it makes it much less of a challenge to overcome eh?

Remember you must not only do right but also think right JD.

I pray that one day you might really know what it means to no longer have the dominion of sin over you.

Maybe some day you will come to a decision whether sinning is important or not.

Is John "diluting sin" here?

If anyone sees his fellow Christian committing a sin not resulting in death, he should ask, and God will grant life to the person who commits a sin not resulting in death. There is a sin resulting in death. I do not say that he should ask about that.
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No but you were diluting sin.




posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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No but you were diluting sin.

So in your way of thinking, talking tough about sin is more important than actually doing something about it?

Are you supporting the theory of Total Depravity, where no one can be good so you have to go to theories of atonement?
I suppose the descriptions of being perfected in the New Testament threatens the validity of your theories so you need to maintain that the slightest little slip-up will cast the believer into hell as long as they don't keep chanting the theory anthem.
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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 08:02 AM
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My Bible says those false teachers "denied the Lord that bought them". They never had a genuine salvation experience with the Lord.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 03:41 AM
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It seems that some on this thread are just trying to save themselves from death. They believe that they will get eternal life if they do the right thing. The truth is that you have to give up 'your' life to have eternal life. 'Your life' is not 'your' life. You believe it is 'your' life but it is just life. While you believe it is 'your' life you will suffer. You 'think' you can do life and you try to control it and this is the suffering, life does not do what you want it to do and this causes confusion and fear.
You do not need to do life because life is doing you. When the false belief that you are separate to life falls away and the truth is seen you will know that you cannot end.
The you as a person will die and all that will be left is this.

The problem is that 'you' (believed in separate entity) refuse to die. 'You' (a person in time) must die to be saved from the belief in birth and death.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
It seems that some on this thread are just trying to save themselves from death. They believe that they will get eternal life if they do the right thing. The truth is that you have to give up 'your' life to have eternal life. 'Your life' is not 'your' life. You believe it is 'your' life but it is just life. While you believe it is 'your' life you will suffer. You 'think' you can do life and you try to control it and this is the suffering, life does not do what you want it to do and this causes confusion and fear.
You do not need to do life because life is doing you. When the false belief that you are separate to life falls away and the truth is seen you will know that you cannot end.
The you as a person will die and all that will be left is this.

The problem is that 'you' (believed in separate entity) refuse to die. 'You' (a person in time) must die to be saved from the belief in birth and death.
edit on 9-7-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

True. "For you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God." Col 3:3



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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This is why Jesus was happy to go to the cross. Christ did not die, he became one with God. Jesus gave up the fight and struggle with the people of the world.
After the crucifiction 'Jesus' the man was never heard of again in person.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by troubleshooter
 


This is why Jesus was happy to go to the cross. Christ did not die, he became one with God. He gave up the fight and struggle with the people of the world.


How do you figure Jesus was happy to go to the cross?

People don't Sweat blood when they're happy... thats caused by extreme stress to the body my friend.




posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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Maybe 'happy' is the wrong word. Jesus knew death was a lie so did not mind.

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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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I like what you wrote and agree with you. The passage that comes to mind is Matthew 10:28

I think once we except that sin is the cause of death and eternal life is through Jesus, we fear not death for it will bring everlasting life, praise the Lord.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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This is why Jesus was happy to go to the cross. Christ did not die, he became one with God. Jesus gave up the fight and struggle with the people of the world.
After the crucifiction 'Jesus' the man was never heard of again in person.
edit on 9-7-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Jesus was seen by over five hundred people...

"And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once;" 1 Corinthians 15:5-6



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 05:43 AM
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Jesus 'the man' was not heard to speak after, he may have been 'seen' but not heard. 'Jesus' was the name given to the man but the man died and joined/merged with God.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 05:46 AM
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Death is not the cause of sin, the belief in death is a mistake (sin).



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Jesus 'the man' was not heard to speak after, he may have been 'seen' but not heard. 'Jesus' was the name given to the man but the man died and joined/merged with God.
edit on 9-7-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Not true...
...Jesus was seen, touched, he ate food and spoke to many people following His resurrection...
...but He was different, He appeared and disappeared to and from locked rooms.

Jesus human body was transformed into a transphysical body...
...as we will be when we are resurrected.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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But first you have to die as a person, a person who thinks they are in time. One has to die to the form they 'think' they are and become one with what is.
Spirit is all there is but humans believe in the material, they believe in time and other and there is no other, there is only this.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Death is not the cause of sin, the belief in death is a mistake (sin).

Sin is the cause of death.

When man sinned two things happened...
...they were separated from the tree of life which would have them live indefinitely...
...and they lost the personal/intimate presence of the Spirit.

The loss of the tree of life meant that humans died.
The loss of the Spirit resulted in the need for obsessions and substances to fill the void.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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You believe in death. But there is no death for you. You see birth (appearance) and you see death (disappearance) and life is made of appearances and disappearances. What it appears to does not die.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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But first you have to die as a person, a person who thinks they are in time. One has to die to the form they 'think' they are and become one with what is.
Spirit is all there is but humans believe in the material, they believe in time and other and there is no other, there is only this.

Humans are tripartite beings made of body, soul and spirit.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:07 AM
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The you you think you are is just an appearance but the appearance is changing, the seer and knower of the appearance never changes and is eternal. Find the seer within.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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Body cannot appear without the presence/spirit, mind cannot appear without the spirit. Right here and right now is presence, all appears here, without the appearance being known what would there be?



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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But first you have to die as a person, a person who thinks they are in time. One has to die to the form they 'think' they are and become one with what is.
Spirit is all there is but humans believe in the material, they believe in time and other and there is no other, there is only this.

Humans are tripartite beings made of body, soul and spirit.


There are not three things that make humans. The problem with humans is that they believe they are separate, they think there is a world and a them, this sets up duality and from here we get 2,3,4,5,6.........
There is not more than one thing. This thing right here and right now is it, you/this are one.
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