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How to build Puma Punka and the Pyramids in 21.7 years using only the tech of Ancient Man?

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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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WHAT Tech ?

What Device ?

What theory ?

You have me hooked, I'm just waiting for the actual theory or device you suggested.

It's like you mentioned a theory and a device...but never elaborated as to WHAT THEY WERE or ARE ?

It's like you made 50% of a post and forgot to post the rest .

I'm interested, so where is it ?




posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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One thing that truly puzzles me, and must be one of the most important factors is the fact that many monuments align with each other, in a precise manner. Now I personally have not measured anything, and so have not done my own verification, and I'm not entirely sure how I could measure this without some kind of satellite technology.

Firstly, with all due respect, is this really a "how they built it" question?

Secondly, as I point out, just because they might have been built by Zeppelins, there is no reason to rule out Aliens who would have been keen to have the locals put it all together under their watchful eye rather than risk their sole means of crossing the universe, namely their UFO;'s on shifting blocks of stone.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
reply to post by bearwithredhat
 

WHAT Tech ?
What Device ?
What theory ?
You have me hooked, I'm just waiting for the actual theory or device you suggested.
It's like you mentioned a theory and a device...but never elaborated as to WHAT THEY WERE or ARE ?
It's like you made 50% of a post and forgot to post the rest .
I'm interested, so where is it ?


A REPEAT OF MY THEORY FROM PAGE TWO

The only known device that can shift a 10,000 ton block of stone with ease in a single lift is… A ZEPPELIN.

As a basis, I have assumed that the central roadways were not roadways, but, in effect, a shipyard for the construction of Zeppelins, built in hard wood, and filled with hydrogen. The original, late Victorian Zeppelins actually were filled with pig’s bladders filled with hydrogen.

By using the stats for the Hindenburg I scaled up on the basis of the length of the main roadway through Puma Punku (which I believe was a mile long). I substituted the weight of lumber for steel. The lift was lower, but there would have been no passenger section to weigh it down. The result was a Zeppelin with a net lift marginally in excess of 10,000 tons, just great enough to have moved Baalbeck’s biggest stones.

Had a Zeppelin been used it would explain lists of things. Since these would have been dangerous in narrow valleys it would actually would have been easier and safer to built near the tops of mountains and to have used only the biggest stones, rather than having all the loading time of small stones and for greater stability. Also, had a zeppelin got into trouble, one can quite imagine the crew jettisoning a big stone that ends up pointlessl half way up the mountainside below.

This would also explain the positioning of the pramids and megoliths. Using trade winds, these could have voyaged across the Atlantic to Central America then traveled up the eastern seaboard to cross the Atlantic on the way back coming out near north west France and Britain.

Arriving in Britain after a storm crossing, these zeppelins would need a new supply of hydrogen and repairs, hence the magnetized stone circles like Stonehenge. By putting a copper wire bound rota in the centre of Stonehenge turned by horses, Stone henge then becomes a vast alternator, capable of generating electricity that could be used to electorlyse sea, salt or march water to produce…hydrogen. It is interesting to note that in many ancient civiliszations like the Romans and Greeks, the God of the Sea was alaso the God of the horse and in Ancient Britain, the Horse was their God.
To get back to “base camp” at the Great Pyramid, the Zeppelins would need to cross the Alps at the most shallow passes. This would then explain Ley Lines as indeed, it was originally pointed out that they curiously resemble trade routes yet cross mountains as if they are not there.

Most of these Ley Lines come out at places like Delphi which again is built near the clear to of a mountain… and thence on to Egypt. This incidentally, would also explain why parts of Antarctica are mapped, but ONLY the parts which happent o have trade winds.

For the pyramids, I assumed that the Zeppelins might have been pulled by horses on the ground. Assuming two of these Zeppelins, one taking a day to load and one at the other end taking a day to unload, it gave a round trip of one week, and incredibly dropped out the figure of 21.7 years to move all the necessary stones.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Pyramid building civilizations had slave labor, time, money, and drive along with basic lever and pulley tech and log rollers. Not sure what is so mysterious about it. No aliens needed. The pyramid shape was simply the easiest way to build a tall structure to reach for their gods.

To lonewolf...just where are the bodies of these 450' giant men? And whatever would such a large omnivore eat?


I watched also the Temple of Zeus in Lebanon and the stones under Jerusalem - massive blocks, enourmous blocks, no evidence of them being lifted or used labor force. Puma Punku's mystery comes from the accuracy and dexterity, perfection with which the stones were shaped. Unlike them, the Temple of Zeus and many other megalyth are just too enournous, not to say building the higher floors and putting heavy stones high above, I dont think any evidedence about them pulling and liftinf exists. There may have been some more specific technology.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Xtraeme
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So would you argue the Denderan Egyptian pictographs, below, actually depict prehistoric zepplins?



It would be interesting to see someone try to implement your idea in practice.


I see 2 giant Nephilim surrounded by several small humans in that hieroglyph, holding some rather giant lightbulbs.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by bearwithredhat
I said it seemed far out, but it is actually feasible...

...So, consider, which built Baalbeck and the Pyramids?

....A bunch of wood framed Zeppelins? Or a fleet of flying saucers?



Neither...

What is people's obsession with only 2 choices. As if it's only ever one or the other.

It's NEVER one or the other, but only multiple things at once which we are mostly to ignorant to realize so we dumb it down to just 2 things because that is all we can intelligently handle.

yet we think we are the smartest people ever to have walked the planet.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor

I watched also the Temple of Zeus in Lebanon and the stones under Jerusalem - massive blocks, enourmous blocks, no evidence of them being lifted or used labor force. Puma Punku's mystery comes from the accuracy and dexterity, perfection with which the stones were shaped. Unlike them, the Temple of Zeus and many other megalyth are just too enournous, not to say building the higher floors and putting heavy stones high above, I dont think any evidedence about them pulling and liftinf exists. There may have been some more specific technology.


The early German Zeppelins had entire ballrooms, complete with one-ton chandeliers. A large enough Zeppelin would have no problem in moving anything up to about 10000 tons...which curiouslyly is the upper limit of megalith size.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Xtraeme
reply to post by bearwithredhat
 


So would you argue the Denderan Egyptian pictographs, below, actually depict prehistoric zepplins?



It would be interesting to see someone try to implement your idea in practice.


I see 2 giant Nephilim surrounded by several small humans in that hieroglyph, holding some rather giant lightbulbs.


...Or maybe they are jsut well endowed regarding their manhood...who knows.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by bearwithredhat
I said it seemed far out, but it is actually feasible...

...So, consider, which built Baalbeck and the Pyramids?
....A bunch of wood framed Zeppelins? Or a fleet of flying saucers?


Neither...

What is people's obsession with only 2 choices. As if it's only ever one or the other.

It's NEVER one or the other, but only multiple things at once which we are mostly to ignorant to realize so we dumb it down to just 2 things because that is all we can intelligently handle.

yet we think we are the smartest people ever to have walked the planet.



My point is not to suggest that there are only two alternatives, but that it is insane to assume that my theory is rubbish by people who have no difficulty in conceiving that it was all built by alien technoology. Even if Aliens were here, I feel that is it higlhy likely that they would have used low tech....because they would nto have trusted the locals with high tech, they would not have expectexd the locals to be able to have the ability to use it and because they would not want to put their only means of getting home at risk from overusage... in a sense, a close parallel to the Confederate States not allowing blacks to use guns, steam engines, medicine etc..



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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The problem is no evidence points to flying machines such as Zeppelins being used, there is lack of any information about how these things were built



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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In the one post you say the 0.5 mile construction would allow a 6000+ ton lift then for some reason in the other post say it can lift 10,000+tons? Plus it seems you just assume 35 times larger craft can lift 35times the weight which is not the case.

Plus you never talk about how this would be sealed, you only hint to pig bladder possibly that would not hold gas for any extended period of time without proper lining (and be heavy)

Also the size of the craft you are talking about making and just let the sucker fly in the trade winds is kinda like trying to construct a bridge out of material sent to you in a bottle across the ocean (not very accurate)
Plus the size when you get there would make it un-managable for any team of dudes on a mountain side

The greatest disadvantage of the airship is size, which is essential to increasing performance. As size increases, the problems of ground handling increase geometrically.[84] As the German Navy transitioned from the "p" class Zeppelins of 1915 with a volume of over 1,100,000 cu ft (31,000 m3) to the larger "q" class of 1916, the "r" class of 1917, and finally the "w" class of 1918, at almost 2,200,000 cu ft (62,000 m3) ground handling problems reduced the number of days the Zeppelins were able to make patrol flights. This availability declined from 34% in 1915, to 24.3% in 1916 and finally 17.5% in 1918

You seem to think a wood built frame would be lighter than steel, when your not thinking of the mass savings by using steel as it is stronger and less would be needed. The idea that a wood frame would be able to be built that was lighter "and stronger" is just mind blasting.

Ad to this you idea of ley line paths over mountains (How did they Ballast this thing?) Changing alt like that means you MUST vent or pressurize the gasses used and you give NO explanation about this either.

And then you say well the wind wont affect them as the wind isn't as strong up there? Up where? thousands of feet? Because I thought you said they would be pulled by rope or something as I doubt a little paddle at the back like Teddy Ruxpin would suffice. You whole drama here where you stick to the dirigible idea and don't explain anything else you originally posted shows this is just a hey look at me thread.
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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by bearwithredhat

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Xtraeme
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So would you argue the Denderan Egyptian pictographs, below, actually depict prehistoric zepplins?



It would be interesting to see someone try to implement your idea in practice.


I see 2 giant Nephilim surrounded by several small humans in that hieroglyph, holding some rather giant lightbulbs.


...Or maybe they are jsut well endowed regarding their manhood...who knows.


Right, what man needs a giant Tesla coil to hold his wank up with? Sounds painful.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:51 PM
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If any of you ain't seen this, it's not a bad watch.

should fit in with the topic nicely





posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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Negative, the only "Logical" idea is that they didn't waste time chipping and hauling but crushed and poured the pyramids in a concrete fashion.


Simple, repeatable, and used with the knowledge of the time, Unlike the OP's post in this thread.
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P.S.: I actually like the end of that vid showing the link between a lot of ancient sites.
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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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This theory makes much more sense because lifting giant blocks, obviously this professor agrees there was no way this to be done by no matter how many people, unless they possessed the power of telekinesis.

A problem with this theory: Shafts where a mixture of such materials to make as if natural rocks have never been found, so this remains just as much of a theory,.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by bearwithredhat

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Ah, Lloyd Pye, that explains it all.


Lloyd Pye is a 100% scam artist. I spent a long time in the UK working for Consumer Protection putting people like Lloyd Pye behind bars. This man is a GRADE A CHARLATAN. (You get to notice all the behavioural traits after a while)

LLOYD PYE...

- At an overpriced lacture, Pye threw down the challenge saying that no-one could explain how ancient man could have done this. There was no tech that they could have used and challenged for anyone to find a way.

I emailed my theory to Lloyd Pye.

I received a blunt email begining "Listen Boy". Pye acted agressively to try to shut me up and instead of arguing on any points and was merely aggressively abusive, stating how he and his friends had had a "good laugh" at me. Next, he contacted Giorgio it appears, and, without any explanation, I was summarily banned from Lloyd Pye's site and Giorgio's site.

Scammers and false prophets always behave in this manner...
- They throw down challenges not expecting anyone to pick them up.
- If someone does pick up the challenge, they receive no reasoning, just aggressive derision.
- If all else fails, the scammer will try to gag any doubting by ANY UNDERHAND MEANS, including, in many cases, use of force. I have been left in no doubt that Lloyd Pye would use force to try to gag me.



Meh, Pye falls into that list of new Age cranks who want you to believe the Anunnaki (a.k.a. fallen angels) came here to "save mankind" when they did nothing of the sort these same beings they "channel" from the Galactic Federation on the starship Enterprise in Orion's belt. The hybrids they created began eating humans for food. You can find stories all over the world about those damned giants eating people like food, stories of the ancient Greek Titans, Northwestern Native Americans fighting giants, the book of Jasher, Enoch and the book of Giants etc.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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This thread is a POS. Enjoy yourselves boys!



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor
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The problem is no evidence points to flying machines such as Zeppelins being used, there is lack of any information about how these things were built


Construction is simple on a wide temple roadway.

1. Assemble a line of semi-circles.
2. Pull every odd one onto an even one to create a circle.
3. Link the circles with beams.
4. Cover.
5. fill with hydrogen filled pigs bladders.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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That's a pretty interesting hypothesis thanks for sharing.

I think the main reason you got so much flak is because you didn't actually state the two bigger points in the OP, the airship and the acid.

Overall I like your theory and will keep it within close consideration.

That's the funny thing right there though, that "official" history is incapable of explaining these things.

What you suggest does indeed match up well with things, like the Nazca Lines. It was proven that ancient man could construct a workable balloon system given the right knowledge.

So of course I am open to your suggestions. Thanks again.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
these same beings they "channel" from the Galactic Federation on the starship Enterprise in Orion's belt.


You have gotta be kidding right?

They actually claimed they were on the starship Enterprise?
You had to have made that up...
No one could believe that crap....could they?

The starship Enterprise???



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