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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Originally posted by olaru12
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
I also think the Bible said...
"Judge not lest ye be judged"
And the judgmental tone of this post; I don't think will lead anyone to salvation. To mean spirited imo.
As I said my post will offend... The Bible says some people override their consciences until they are callused and unaffected (1 Timothy 4:2)... Only Christ can give people what they need emotionally, mentally and spiritually.
We are not God and can never become enlightened by our own actions. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth.
Actually, not all people are his children. That is a New Age fallacy leading towards ecumenism. If you're not a believer in him you are not one of his.
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
This thread will offend some and anger others... I am not going to beat around the bush about these things.
People who are involved in the New Age cult often claim to be "spiritually awake" or "alive" but are they?
God tells us that our spirits are dead!
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. (NASB) Ephesians 2:1-3
The Holy Spirit describes unsaved people as having been dead men and women who were walking around. This is the walking dead. We are described as walking around in this world. We were disobedient and living as we pleased. We were alive in body, yet we were dead. Now how can that be? There is only one way - alive in body and dead in spirit. Dead men and women do not walk around!
When did our spirit die? It happened when Adam sinned back in Genesis. God had warned Adam that he would die. He had warned Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Our English translations miss a very important word in Genesis 2:17.
. . . . . . .but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die." (NASB) Genesis 2:17
God did not just say, "you shall surely die," the original Hebrew records God as saying, "you shall die die." God repeated the word "die" twice. This Hebrew root word MUT means "to be executed - to die." Was God merely adding emphasis when He used "die" twice or did He imply physical AND spiritual death?
What is the New Age Movement?
Today's so-called New Age movement is by no means "new," On the contrary, it is the culmination of ancient pagan pantheist mysticism.
If you are into "New Age ideas" and are reading this thread I ask you: Have you found what your looking for yet?
Jesus Christ is the most spiritual person in existence and the most spiritual person to have ever walked this earth. Many people are seeking spiritual fulfillment and are on many and varied paths. Are you connecting with the ultimate source of all fulfillment and spirituality or are you being short changed?
If you want to know the truth, true spirituality comes from Holy Spirit only... The 3rd person of the Holy Trinity.
The Holy Spirit ALWAYS comes to us in Jesus' name! ... Anytime you hear someone talking about spiritual matters, and the name of Jesus is not present, then they are deceived.
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." -Matthew 12:30
"He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." -Luke 11:23
"Once you've deified yourself [made yourself into a god,] which is what the New Age is all about, there is no higher moral absolute. It's a recipe for ethical anarchy.
SOURCE: Time Magazine, (December 7, 1987), pg. 72.
There are 2 things every New Ager needs to know...
1) There is a God.
2) You are not him.
Jesus' own words:
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Teacher, you have said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: Mark 12:32
Truly spiritual people don’t view themselves as spiritual at all. If you want to be spiritual all you need is faith is Christ and then the Holy Spirit will dwell within you. When you do it the other way and try and become spiritual through your own account see this thread you will deceive yourself and play right into the devils hands.edit on 25-6-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Hi Wildtimes, good to see you around the board. I know you didn't ask this question of me, and somehow I think you already know this, but I thought I'd fill in the blanks anyway.
Christians believe in, and are bound by the great commission. Therefore, Jesus is the savior of the world, not just the Jews or Israelites. The crossover then, is the command Jesus gave the disciples after his resurrection.
Actually, I believe he was talking to the "lost tribes of Israel", not to everyone on every continent. Are you of Israelite ancestry? If not, how do you know he was talking to you (and everyone on the face of the planet)?
The entire New Testament is spent showing how Jesus spread his message throughout the gentiles as well as the jews.
Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
My oh my. I'm glad you showed up. Exoteric milk vs our esoteric solid food...
Originally posted by BlueMule
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by BlueMule
Well I can know that your not a Christian if you claim there is another mediator other than Jesus. The scriptures just proven you wrong yet you continue to argue? That is exactly what the pharisees did. And who says I am judging your heart? I am just letting you know what the scriptures say.edit on 25-6-2012 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)
There is no other mediator than the Christ. The problem is, you don't know what the Christ is. You have a kindergarten, cartoonish conception of Christ.
You are a child on a diet of exoteric milk. Not esoteric solid food.
You have a kindergarten conception of God, a narrow one and a cartoonish conception of "New Age".
This happens all through history. Ignorant fundamentalist orthodox children with their exoteric milk think they can run around judging esoteric mystics with their solid food. It happened to Jesus back then and it happens to Christian mystics today.
edit on 25-6-2012 by BlueMule because: (no reason given)
OP, you condemn and judge because you do not understand; perhaps you are too afraid to understand, but most likely not ready to. The keys of knowledge are available to those who seek and keep seeking, through wisdom and simplicity. Those who have shown that their hearts and minds are ready will find the meanings and inner-workings of the "kingdom." Through love first and foremost, through knowing ourselves, through oneness, through integrity and will, we drink from the mouth of the living one.
People often fear and ridicule what they do not understand. The stones you cast however will only end up burning you, so I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself before you're covered in burns.
Originally posted by wildtimes
Okay, but.....it wasn't until after his "resurrection" that he "said" to spread the message, right?
I personally don't believe he died and resurrected. So....does that message still apply to me? (I believe he survived the crucifixion and was "spirited away" --- by his devotees, the Essenes --- to India [Kashmir, to be precise], and lived to a ripe old age amongst those who got what he was talking about.)
Did Jesus himself know about the whole world? Did he know about the indigenous peoples abroad? Did he know about all of their very complex deistic constructs? I believe he traveled to the East (and studied with Buddhists), and came from an Essene upbringing to begin with....but...how could he know about, say, Native Americans? Amazonian tribes?
And who says "he said to do this" (after his "resurrection")?
The second covenant then, freed the Jews from the first covenant by proxy, and "grafted" in those who were not originally of the chosen people. This was God's will. That none should perish, but that ALL should come to the light. So only after his resurrection could ALL have eternal life "in him".
That's the nutshell, anywho.
Originally posted by Skada
reply to post by windword
No thanks. I am no master. Society says I'm "smart". Only an IQ of somewhere between 139-142, whatever. I still have a lot more to learn, a lot to experience. A lot more connecting with my higher self. A lot more Realizing, and Be-Ing, as we all do. Find your inner truth, and no one can change it.
Oh, here is something that I have found out from this existence: Be very careful what you ask for, because you will get exactly what you ask for. If you ask for an attribute to be increased, such as patience, the universe will test you on that attribute causing you to gain more of it. I asked for patience, I got a child with an IQ of 119, aged 13, ADHD, and way too much energy and curiosity. My patience is tested daily!
So, instead of asking: I want to feel more love.
Answer from universe: Okay, I will give you the experience of wanting to feel more love.
Ask for: I will feel love; Money comes easily and frequently.
You don't have to know how it will happen, just know that it will. And fear is nothing but a belief that is out of alignment with your true self. A belief that you really don't believe in.
Dune's Litany against fear
"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."
There is wisdom within these words.
And something off topic: I turn a whopping 35 on Thursday. Well, chronologically speaking I will be 35. But, in honesty, you are only as old as you feel on any given day. Today I feel slightly less older then I did yesterday, which was 236, today perhaps only 92. Now, on my birthday, I think I will be 2 to maybe 7 at the most. We shall see.
Originally posted by Klassified
And who says "he said to do this" (after his "resurrection")?
Scripture does. Read the context around the verses I gave you. Jesus was sent to the Jews specifically because they were God's chosen, and because his covenant was with them. In order to form a new covenant with them, he first had to live and fulfill the letter of the first covenant, because it was perpetual and binding forever. So only through his death could he fulfill (satisfy) the requirements of the law(covenant) and become the embodiment of it through his once for all, atoning sacrifice.
The second covenant then, freed the Jews from the first covenant by proxy, and "grafted" in those who were not originally of the chosen people. This was God's will. That none should perish, but that ALL should come to the light. So only after his resurrection could ALL have eternal life "in him".
That's the nutshell from the Christian perspective, anywho.
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