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24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
As I said my post will offend... The Bible says some people override their consciences until they are callused and unaffected (1 Timothy 4:2)... Only Christ can give people what they need emotionally, mentally and spiritually. We are not God and can never become enlightened by our own actions. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth.
First, how did I know there was going to be a whole lot of Bible verse spouting just by reading the title?
Second, you are correct, we cannot become enlightened by our own actions, it comes from grace. That means that the New Ager is afforded the same grace as the Hindu, Buddhist, or Jew, and Christian. One God, many perspectives. The Hindu does not have to accept Christ to become enlightened, and yet it is still by grace that they receive enlightenment. That aspect of Christianity that says that every other religion or perspective is wrong has always rubbed me the wrong way. God is too big to put in one box and the Christians don't have a monopoly on God.edit on 25-6-2012 by coyotepoet because: (no reason given)
Klassified, do you mind sharing with us a summary of your testimony? It's obvious that you're well-versed in the scriptures, and your posts hint that sometime during your life you've gone on a different path. What happened? What do you believe to be true?
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by coyotepoet
But Christ said theirs only one path to eternal life and that's through him.
We are saved by grace through faith in Christ.
Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by wildtimes
But here's an interesting perspective I read a long time ago, and I wish I could find the link to.
In sending Christ to earth, God's aim was not to create the form of "Christianity" we know today, but his aim was to reconcile the whole world to himself once and for all. The way he did this was by fulfilling the first covenant, and blanketing the whole earth under the second covenant. Under the second and final covenant, the sins of humans, that only existed because of the first covenant, would be wiped out forever. This allowed ANY man, woman, child, or other to approach God with a clean conscience, and have a relationship with him apart from legalistic rituals and rules. This way, God could have a one on one relationship with anyone who desired to know him without the hindrances of doctrine and sectarianism, and there would be no need for books, churches, preachers, and so on. It would all be about the personal relationship, rather than about religion, piousness, and separatism. In other words, EVERYONE was saved for all time, 2000 years ago. No exceptions.
Unfortunately, the legalistic and rigid leaders of the day rejected the idea, and loved their places of authority and honor. So Christ's original teachings were written to reflect what they wanted people to believe...
Again, that's the short version.
Originally posted by Skada
reply to post by IAmD1
You are welcome. Perhaps the soul within me was answering the soul within you. Pay attention, and you will get answers. Also, I have found that when I find out a "universal truth" I feel an immense love type feeling in the chest. Like the love one has for their child or partner. When you get "that specific feeling" (which if you felt it, you can recreate it) then you are in prime mind and soul to manifest easier the things that you want and / or need. Also following the thing that excites you the most can be very fulfilling. Remember this: Excitement is a path that leads to more excitement. It is like your soul dangling a carrot, apple, bonbon in front of you saying: "Come this way, you know you want to"; after which comes another carrot, "come over here, it will be fun". Keep true joy/love in your heart and you will never be lead astray. The soul is creating the map, your mind has input, but doesn't have the pen to make the map; the brain just gets the benefit of the experience. Again, My opinion. Take it for your truth, or reject it, it is up to you, the real you, and the brain.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by autowrench
It all boils down to one of two choices. The man you call Christ was no doubt a very wise man, but he was a man, not a God. He told people, "Follow me." So, here are the choices:
1. Either follow and be a God in your own right.
2. Make the man into a God and just worship him as one.
Which of these have Christians done?
There was only one choice in the Bible, not two.
We could follow Jesus and become one with God through the Holy Spirit.
The Bible doesn't give us the option to be a god in our own right. That's why he struck down the prince and king of Tyrus/Tyre, thinking that they could become as high as God.
You mean the atonement covered everyone, even those who didn't believe in him as sent from God..?
Isn't there something required of us, a pre-condition, a gesture, an act, a choice of the will, a forced confession, threats of hell extended to others graciously, surely there must be something we have to DO right..?
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Klassified
So when he was hanging nailed on the cross and said "forgive them father, for they know not what they do" he didn't just mean those who believe in him and accept him and his spirit into their heart as per traditional churchianity doctrine, which makes that a condition of your salvation.
I have written this book to let the world in on a secret that the Church has kept away from most people for the last 1,400 years. This is the secret: God will eventually save everyone. This truth, supported by the Bible, was widely accepted by early Christians for over 500 years. The belief in universal salvation was threatening to some Church leaders and the teaching was banished in the sixth century. In the eighteenth century, Christians once again began to affirm Universalism. Since then, many theologians, church leaders and millions of Christians have espoused it. God promises to save everyone, so there is hope for us all.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Klassified
Just out of curiosity, if everyone is redeemed through Christ regardless, what purpose was there for our free will?
Does our free will on earth serve any purpose for the afterlife?