Supreme Court strikes down key parts of Arizona immigration law

Originally posted by GD21D
I'm just going to paste what I replied in the earlier thread. Just keep diminishing those state rights.

This is the direction we're going. Sooner or later the states are going to have had enough.

Where is the line drawn? As a nation do we have a definitive line that the Federal Government can't cross any more. Is there a consensus on this? This is what the states need to start discussing.

Give this man a cigar, half these left wing nuts will be praising this move , our rights are being gobbled up at both levels but the fed has become the beast system creating a police state and no doubt it's just the beginning.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

Fascism would be stopping people on the streets and asking to see papers.

yeah except is is totally acceptable for a cop to ask to see your papers(drivers licence) and everyone else who asks for identification.

so what the hell was the difference?

So you're angry at the fascism because you see fascism already and the new ruling which reject fascist policy are themselves fascist?

Jesus! You have fascist tourettes

reply to post by taskforce4256

When a Leftie gets "fierce", what does he do, sing louder?

Is that what you call speaking the truth these days?

reply to post by Fromabove
Aww how cute, there's two of you. Now you can mate and raise liberty and civil rights hating babies together.

Originally posted by Procession101

Originally posted by TheTardis

Originally posted by Procession101
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

LOL, had no doubt the madness in Arizona that was this bill, wouldn't hold water. Looks like that hag Jan Brewer is going to have to try again.

Yes because keeping out illegals is just madness? The states should be able to do whatever they deem necessary to keep out illegals if the federal government is going to sit back and do nothing and that is what is going on here. The state of Arizona took matters into its own hands because the federal government wasnt doing its job and now instead of them doing their jobs they would rather waste our tax dollars having the supreme court look at it.

Alienating a good portion of legal citizens in that crap bill they drafted is the madness I was speaking about, but of course most white people don't understand this. They want to cut the influx of illegals go after the people that are employing them don't create a bill that forms a witch hunt scenario for a good fraction of your legal citizens.

"White People" Explain please?

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Until someone can give a good answer as to why Arizona won't focus on coming down hard on the employers...I will continue to laugh at people who claim Arizona is just trying to protect themselves.

Arizona is very agricultural. Almost all winter vegetables come from Arizona.

Many migrant workers are illegal. The shortage of workers has become a huge problem.

Farmers are paying cash under the table. Foreman's who used to be loyal to a specific farmer - - - are now going to highest bidder. Its become almost a black market business.

There used to be work programs - - - but some politician in Texas (I think) ran their political campaign on "taking jobs away from Americans" - - - so the migrant work programs were closed. Its been a huge problem ever since.

reply to post by Azadok2day


If your rights are being gobbled up perhaps it is because you and your brethren keep throwing them by the shovelful into the mouth of Fascism, all in the name of protection of this that or the other boogey man. Grow up and stop relying on the government to protect you. Protect yourself.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by neo96

 

If you are driving a vehicle and violate a traffic law then yes, it is okay for a cop to ask for your driver's license so that he/she may write up a ticket. Driving is a privilege not a right.

It is not okay to stop people doing anything such as walking on a sidewalk because they look "illegal" and ask for their birth certificate, immigration papers what have you. That is Fascist.

I think this is reaching just a bit. The part they threw out said they had to have probably cause in order to ask someone about their status. This is common with many things pertaining to even our own citizens when it comes to drugs, alcohol, guns or other offenses. The arresting officer would still have to prove probably cause or be held liable. They cant just walk up and say "you look Mexican, Where are your papers". It doesn't work that way but the liberal media wants you to think so.

reply to post by spinalremain

So you're angry at the fascism because you see fascism already and the new ruling which reject fascist policy are themselves fascist?

Fascist exactly how?

As someone already stated asking for id is perfectly acceptable by a cop for breaking the law, and since "illegals" broke the law to get here then it is perfectly acceptable to ask for id.

reply to post by TheTardis


Liberal media....hahaha. You mean Corporate media. Anyway, previous to the parts struck down today, yes a person could be stopped doing whatever...walking down the street, shopping for groceries...anything. And weren't you upset about those provisions being struck down?

reply to post by neo96


The problem is Neo, how exactly does one tell a legal Mexican from an illegal one? You can't so, in the name of protecting America (Nationalism) we better be cautious and stop all Mexicans and ask for their papers (Fascist) just to make sure. Right?

Oh wait! Why don't we just streamline the process and give all the legal Mexicans yellow stars to wear on their clothes? Maybe round all spanish people up and let out the legal ones?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by TheTardis

 

Liberal media....hahaha. You mean Corporate media. Anyway, previous to the parts struck down today, yes a person could be stopped doing whatever...walking down the street, shopping for groceries...anything. And weren't you upset about those provisions being struck down?

Not so much as I just think they should have left Arizona alone. But I dont believe it was meant to let them just stop anyone. It specifically says "Probably Cause" in the wording. We have that right now. If a cop thinks someone has drugs on them they cannot do anything about it without probably cause. Same with a lot of things. Why should they be treated better than anyone else? It is a free country and if people do not like the laws in Arizona they can go somewhere else to live.

reply to post by TheTardis

The arresting officer would still have to prove probably cause or be held liable. They cant just walk up and say "you look Mexican, Where are your papers". It doesn't work that way but the liberal media wants you to think so.

You don't live in reality. People are stopped everyday because of the color of their skin with no probable cause. And if there is a probable cause it is usually a made up one.

reply to post by Kali74


The problem here is the Federal Government breaks the law everyday and Arizona their duly elected government tried to handle their own internal matters, as to "nationalism" is exactly what happened today so that the left get their voting base.

Enough with the damn hyperbole how hard is it for anyone to come here the legal way?

The same way millions of immigrants have done, but what?

Mexicans so special they get to do whatever the hell they want to?

Apparently and some people are all to happy to oblige.

I think I miss understood ya, Neo

What should we fix first, the illegal employment or the illegal alien? Let's just try and fix the employment first, shall we? I tossed a coin.

Say we create a new govenrment entity that tracks all social security numbers to persons and the job they hold. Any discrepancyin SS# use is then managed by DHS, and all illegals using fake id's get sent home. Hmmm.

But then we won't have enough farm workers, so then we just legalize all that are here now with a history, and then simultaneously clamp down hard on illegals coming over the border ffrom here on out. Will that work? As good a plan as any at this point.

Does anyone really want a solution to this in our world of law and in our government? Obviously not, or there would have been a solution of some sort on the table or in the books a long time ago.

This is all a joke anymore. We all know where or country has headed and it's not pretty.

This nation use to pride itself on equality that race and skin color did not matter for anything, and yet the Scotus ruling is saying they will get on their knees to accomodate one demographic in this country, and not in the name of freedom or justice, or equality.

But for petty politics.

reply to post by neo96

Mexicans so special they get to do whatever the hell they want to?

Showing your true colors.. Is this really about illegals or just the Mexicans?

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by neo96

 

Mexicans so special they get to do whatever the hell they want to?

Showing your true colors.. Is this really about illegals or just the Mexicans?

What the hell is that suppose to mean?

Seriously?

What the hell?

I expected better and who else would the Arizona immigration law effect?

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by neo96

 

Mexicans so special they get to do whatever the hell they want to?

Showing your true colors.. Is this really about illegals or just the Mexicans?

What the hell is that suppose to mean?

Seriously?

What the hell?

I expected better and who else would the Arizona immigration law effect?

The Lithuanians!

reply to post by neo96


Because the immigration bill was for all illegals and not just Mexicans. It just piss poor how people want to start off talking about illegal immigration only to turn it into a Mexican thing.

Go ask Sheriff Joe how many Chinese and other nationalities he has put in his tent city. I'm sure Mexicans aren't the only ones Arizona has come across.