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Supreme Court strikes down key parts of Arizona immigration law

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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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Big win for freedom.

This just proves that the majority of these laws are overwhelmingly unconstitutional and would have violated the civil rights of people, these laws also promoted racial profiling.




posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:36 AM
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Have I mentioned that it is amazing that whenever you are in a thread, you seem to have direct personal experience with every topic that is discussed...but then you also seem very confused and contradictory to your own stories???
nice to hear that you notice

when you get to be my age, you'll (hopefully) have lots of experiences to share also.
is there some reason you fail to mention the "topics" i participate in or doesn't that support your suggestion?
so, what confuses you about my experiences ??



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by Wolf321
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


As complex as the tax code is, I don't think anyone can explain it. The $1 was my (likely) underestimation, but the rest of my facts remain. I personally know people who made less that $10,000, paid no federal income tax but received >$2000 because of children. When they did their tax assuming they had zero kids, there was no refund. It was all because of the child tax credit.

When referencing this to illegals though, they are either parents of anchor babies or defrauding the government.


Be angry at the tax code, not the people that qualify. If you made less than $10k a year what would you do? My point is that there was at least a attempt to work, to EARN a income.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 

Have I mentioned that it is amazing that whenever you are in a thread, you seem to have direct personal experience with every topic that is discussed...but then you also seem very confused and contradictory to your own stories???
nice to hear that you notice

when you get to be my age, you'll (hopefully) have lots of experiences to share also.
is there some reason you fail to mention the "topics" i participate in or doesn't that support your suggestion?
so, what confuses you about my experiences ??


Oh...nothing confuses me...you just can't seem to keep your stories straight.

Like you know how much somoene got as a refund check because it was accidently delivered to you...oh...but you didn't open the mail...but you still somehow know how much the check was for.

And I really do think I'm right in my prediction...I bet the person opened it up right in front of you and showed you their very personal information of a tax return...and also told you they were illegal....right???



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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The people that support laws like SB1070 would GLADLY line up to have a bar code tattooed on their forehead in order to keep the country "safe" from the evil illegal immigrants, they would also gladly support legislation forcing everyone to carry their papers with them at all times, and would also gladly submit to random "identity" checkpoints.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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so, you're admitting that you're not a professional tax preparer or that your friend had no declared dependants or what exactly ??

i can tell you about a veteran who was never granted his homestead exemption ($25,000 worth) for 6 consecutive years then died before he could benefit from what was "rightfully" his.
what's your point ??



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
Big win for freedom.

This just proves that the majority of these laws are overwhelmingly unconstitutional and would have violated the civil rights of people, these laws also promoted racial profiling.


Its a sad state how so many support racial profiling. I have worked with many legal and illegal immigrants and for the most part they are quick to laugh and are hard workers. I wonder how many opposed to Illegal immigrants know any?

If people assume there all criminals because they came here illegally, then using the same argument anyone that ever got a speeding ticket or parking ticket are also criminals...IMO!



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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Oh I understand what your saying. But an attempt at work does not make someone NOT a leech as you suggested. This is especially so if the person is only working to get excess government benefits.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by LDragonFire
 
so, you're admitting that you're not a professional tax preparer or that your friend had no declared dependants or what exactly ??

i can tell you about a veteran who was never granted his homestead exemption ($25,000 worth) for 6 consecutive years then died before he could benefit from what was "rightfully" his.
what's your point ??



They have 5 dependents, and I used a computer tax preparers program and I really tried to find them money with it and failed. You Must have Earned income to get a tax return.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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you are so fully of malarkey it's almost funny.

Well, you claimed to have seen the check
never said any such thing.


and the amount of the check
garnered via a conversation with the recipient.


simply because it was delivered to the wrong address and you returned it.
pure assumption on your part and a wrong one at that.


Wait...let me guess...he opened it right in front of you and showed you the check and the amount...right??? I bet I'm right...your stories are kind of predictable.
actually, no, it's a bit more complicated than that but you're close enough.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Its a sad state how so many support racial profiling.


I oppose racial profiling. I haven't seen many in this thread in support of it. Can you provide a link to one?


I have worked with many legal and illegal immigrants and for the most part they are quick to laugh and are hard workers.


So you knew people who were illegals and did not report them? Do you do that for others you know who are guilty of committing a crime?



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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The law was really bad for Arizona look up the effects of the tourism boycott and how business leaders in the state demanded the state government to stop, this eventually ended the boycotts and they have almost recovered.

They never would have had the issue if you keep the white supremacists who authored the bill out of politics.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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yeah, it's a shame you appear to have none but sure are willing to dismiss those who do.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:48 AM
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Did you support SB1070? Guess what the Supreme Court, right wing and all, struck down 3 of 4 provisions of the law! Was racial profiling apart of that decision?



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:49 AM
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got news for you, it's not always that easy.
here, we have islands and on some of them mail isn't delivered to your doorstep, you have a PO box, standard address. now, how would you explain that you live in/at a PO box ??



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by muse7
 


The law was really bad for Arizona look up the effects of the tourism boycott and how business leaders in the state demanded the state government to stop, this eventually ended the boycotts and they have almost recovered.

They never would have had the issue if you keep the white supremacists who authored the bill out of politics.


Arizona is dead to me as far as traveling goes.

I will stay in New Mexico and drive straight through Arizona without stopping when I make a road trip next summer out west. Original plans had us stopping in Phoenix and Scottsdale...but not anymore. We will now spen an extra day in Vegas. And you are right...because I'm not alone in altering travel plans because of their militant view of immigration.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
They never would have had the issue if you keep the white supremacists who authored the bill out of politics.


Were these self professed white supremacist? Or is this your assessment of them based upon the law that states


F. This section shall be enforced without regard to race, color, religion, sex, age, disability or national origin.


source:Arizona House Bill 2162 (Amendment to SB 1070)

ETA: So supporting SB1070 is in no way support of racial profiling.
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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 
got news for you, it's not always that easy.
here, we have islands and on some of them mail isn't delivered to your doorstep, you have a PO box, standard address. now, how would you explain that you live in/at a PO box ??


You are just full of excuses...but you still don't know the law in your own state.

You don't have to give them an ID...you can't be arressted for it.

You have to give them your name and maybe your address.

Your ignorance of the law doesn't mean your incorrect assumptions are fact.



posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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how much you "betting" ?? i could use a windfall this month

yes, it was opened in my presence.
no, it was not discussed at that moment cause he was too busy celebrating.
yes, we discussed the issue several days before the check arrived because mixed mail is a daily event around here.
no, he didn't tell me he was illegal, the landlord did. (2yrs ago)
and yes, you are close but not close enough to float any boats.

edit to add: and why am i personally raw about this particular illegal windfall ??
because this illegal and his buddies (3 of whom are also illegal) were drunkenly arguing a few weeks ago and inadvertently smashed a van window, refused to admit their error and is now costing me $300 to fix (it's a custom window) ... so, yeah, if i could, i'd turn their arses in, in a heartbeat, But, this is a sanctuary city so gotta live with it for now.
(although, the homeowner may step in or has led me to believe she might)
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posted on Jun, 26 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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And you know there illegal? Or are they just Latino so that makes them illegal? This is what SB 1070 allowed the police to assume.



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